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Ha ha ha Putin may sacrifice Erdoğan.
Russians have contacted with İmamoğlu.
So Erdoğan has to beg someone else.

Imamoglu spoke to Kommersant: We have enough patience to wait for this government to go

12:51 18.10.2021



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Istanbul Metropolitan Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu said, "We have enough patience to wait for this government to go," while evaluating the events that took place during the evacuation of the Turkish Youth Foundation (TÜGVA) from the Büyükada Pier.

Marianna Belenka from Kommersant talked to Ekrem İmamoğlu, who she says is among the possible candidates for the elections in 2023, and asked how it is to be the opposition president in the country's largest city, her political ambitions and her perspective on the future of Russian-Turkish relations.

In response to the question of 'how far such conflicts with the power can go', İmamoğlu said through the example of TÜGVA, "This happens periodically. We are not particularly in search of conflict. Some representatives of the central government provoke them. While they think it will be beneficial for them, we always We stand on the side of the law and protect our interests to the end. We always say that these people are temporary. They are in power today, but they will not be there tomorrow. I want to remind you of the saying of the current President, "Whoever loses Istanbul, loses Turkey". They are losing power and "They understand that they have little time left. We have enough patience to wait for this government to go within democratic procedures."

'We cannot talk about our personal ambitions in the current situation'

In response to the question about his presidential candidacy, İmamoğlu said that they cannot talk about their personal preferences and ambitions in the current situation in Turkey.

Imamoglu said, "Do you remember how I became a candidate for mayor of Istanbul? They offered me and I accepted. I think the opposition alliance will work on this issue and highlight the best candidate."

'If the government changes, new opportunities may arise in Russian-Turkish relations'

Another question posed to the IMM President is "Russia and Turkey relations are thought to be largely dependent on the personal sympathies of President Vladimir Putin and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. What would be the cooperation perspective between Ankara and Moscow in case of a change in power in Turkey?" it happened.

Stating that the relations between Turkey and Russia cannot be limited only to the leaders of these countries, İmamoğlu said, "Our relations go back more than 500 years. Currently, if there are good personal relations between the president and the president of the two countries, this is beneficial. However, we do not lose anything from the change of presidents, even new opportunities may arise. In any case, we are neighbors and both countries are important actors in this region. Therefore, we have good relations and good relations, and these relations can only be better if there are good personal relations between the head of state and the president of the two countries. But if personal relations are not good, this however, it does not constitute an obstacle to bilateral relations".

'I would be pleased to visit Russia as IMM President'

Explaining that he had visited Moscow twice and Sochi once, as a business person, İmamoğlu stated that he would be pleased to visit Russia as the Mayor of Istanbul to exchange experiences and develop cooperation.

Noting that the development of relations at the level of local governments will only be beneficial, İmamoğlu said that they will soon organize a local governments summit of the Balkan countries in Istanbul, and that they can hold a similar event for the Black Sea cooperation region.

'It takes courage to do politics in Turkey'


Explaining the process of transition to big politics, İmamoğlu emphasized that it is not easy to do politics in Turkey and it takes courage.

Noting that he has enough courage and that it is still difficult to transition from business to politics, İmamoğlu said that the IMM presidential candidacy was offered to him by CHP Chairman Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu and he gladly accepted it.

When asked what kind of pressures he faced as an opposition mayor and whether there were any points of reconciliation with the government, İmamoğlu said, "Of course, there are compromises like disagreements. We accept some projects offered by the government when we see that it is beneficial for the residents of Istanbul. We are always in favor of reconciliation, but the other side prefers confrontation on many issues. preferred,” he said.

'We cannot accept the Kanal Istanbul project'

Noting that Kanal Istanbul is a project that they cannot accept, İmamoğlu was asked whether they could stop this project, which was announced to have started, and said, "The central government just pretends that the project has started, but that is not the case. What they announced as the groundbreaking ceremony is only the construction of a ring road in the area where the canal is planned to be built. In fact, this project does not even have a technical basis, the project is not ready," he replied.
Are u seriously telling me that CHP will promote even more Turkey-Russia ties? What a joke! It is such a shame that ppl believe in these shameful lies!
If the CHP comes into power, US-TURKEY relations will be at an all time high, lira's value will improve, PKK will re-enter Turkey, Turkey will get the F35s, maybe more investments from the American side, Osman kavala and Demirtas will get out of prison, Turkey's nuclear program will be scrapped, and Turkey will start to support the US in Syria
Pls explain to me how lovely Imamoglu will by then improve Turkey-Russia ties I wonder?


P.S; iam not attacking any1, Iam just surprised that ppl actually believe in these words filled with poison
If there is actually a way, I would like if some1 be kind enough to explain it in this forum pls
 

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Are u seriously telling me that CHP will promote even more Turkey-Russia ties? What a joke! It is such a shame that ppl believe in these shameful lies!
If the CHP comes into power, US-TURKEY relations will be at an all time high, lira's value will improve, PKK will re-enter Turkey, Turkey will get the F35s, maybe more investments from the American side, Osman kavala and Demirtas will get out of prison, Turkey's nuclear program will be scrapped, and Turkey will start to support the US in Syria
Pls explain to me how lovely Imamoglu will by then improve Turkey-Russia ties I wonder?


P.S; iam not attacking any1, Iam just surprised that ppl actually believe in these words filled with poison
If there is actually a way, I would like if some1 be kind enough to explain it in this forum pls
Thats bcoz, this people are hating erdo and akp sooo much, for them it doesnt matter, who comes. And this is really dangerous. Nobody asks, how is Chp thinking of Mavi Vatan. Nobody is asking how Chp is thinking of YPG/PKK. Nobody here is critizing the pkk sympathisants at CHPs chairs. They believe whoever will come, also maybe HDP, it will be better.
Nobody critize here CHP. Erdo is not my fathers son and i also dont like all of his politics. But this hatred, can also become like a threat to turkey back. Whoever comes, most important thing is, that they defend the national interests of turkey, to improve the defence industry. Whoever stops the improvements in the industry, they are the real traitors.
 
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Ha ha ha Putin may sacrifice Erdoğan.
Russians have contacted with İmamoğlu.
So Erdoğan has to beg someone else.

Imamoglu spoke to Kommersant: We have enough patience to wait for this government to go

12:51 18.10.2021



© Photo : Twitter/Ekrem İmamoğlu

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Istanbul Metropolitan Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu said, "We have enough patience to wait for this government to go," while evaluating the events that took place during the evacuation of the Turkish Youth Foundation (TÜGVA) from the Büyükada Pier.

Marianna Belenka from Kommersant talked to Ekrem İmamoğlu, who she says is among the possible candidates for the elections in 2023, and asked how it is to be the opposition president in the country's largest city, her political ambitions and her perspective on the future of Russian-Turkish relations.

In response to the question of 'how far such conflicts with the power can go', İmamoğlu said through the example of TÜGVA, "This happens periodically. We are not particularly in search of conflict. Some representatives of the central government provoke them. While they think it will be beneficial for them, we always We stand on the side of the law and protect our interests to the end. We always say that these people are temporary. They are in power today, but they will not be there tomorrow. I want to remind you of the saying of the current President, "Whoever loses Istanbul, loses Turkey". They are losing power and "They understand that they have little time left. We have enough patience to wait for this government to go within democratic procedures."

'We cannot talk about our personal ambitions in the current situation'

In response to the question about his presidential candidacy, İmamoğlu said that they cannot talk about their personal preferences and ambitions in the current situation in Turkey.

Imamoglu said, "Do you remember how I became a candidate for mayor of Istanbul? They offered me and I accepted. I think the opposition alliance will work on this issue and highlight the best candidate."

'If the government changes, new opportunities may arise in Russian-Turkish relations'

Another question posed to the IMM President is "Russia and Turkey relations are thought to be largely dependent on the personal sympathies of President Vladimir Putin and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. What would be the cooperation perspective between Ankara and Moscow in case of a change in power in Turkey?" it happened.

Stating that the relations between Turkey and Russia cannot be limited only to the leaders of these countries, İmamoğlu said, "Our relations go back more than 500 years. Currently, if there are good personal relations between the president and the president of the two countries, this is beneficial. However, we do not lose anything from the change of presidents, even new opportunities may arise. In any case, we are neighbors and both countries are important actors in this region. Therefore, we have good relations and good relations, and these relations can only be better if there are good personal relations between the head of state and the president of the two countries. But if personal relations are not good, this however, it does not constitute an obstacle to bilateral relations".

'I would be pleased to visit Russia as IMM President'

Explaining that he had visited Moscow twice and Sochi once, as a business person, İmamoğlu stated that he would be pleased to visit Russia as the Mayor of Istanbul to exchange experiences and develop cooperation.

Noting that the development of relations at the level of local governments will only be beneficial, İmamoğlu said that they will soon organize a local governments summit of the Balkan countries in Istanbul, and that they can hold a similar event for the Black Sea cooperation region.

'It takes courage to do politics in Turkey'


Explaining the process of transition to big politics, İmamoğlu emphasized that it is not easy to do politics in Turkey and it takes courage.

Noting that he has enough courage and that it is still difficult to transition from business to politics, İmamoğlu said that the IMM presidential candidacy was offered to him by CHP Chairman Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu and he gladly accepted it.

When asked what kind of pressures he faced as an opposition mayor and whether there were any points of reconciliation with the government, İmamoğlu said, "Of course, there are compromises like disagreements. We accept some projects offered by the government when we see that it is beneficial for the residents of Istanbul. We are always in favor of reconciliation, but the other side prefers confrontation on many issues. preferred,” he said.

'We cannot accept the Kanal Istanbul project'

Noting that Kanal Istanbul is a project that they cannot accept, İmamoğlu was asked whether they could stop this project, which was announced to have started, and said, "The central government just pretends that the project has started, but that is not the case. What they announced as the groundbreaking ceremony is only the construction of a ring road in the area where the canal is planned to be built. In fact, this project does not even have a technical basis, the project is not ready," he replied.
Everybody sees that Erdogan's time is over.

At the latest polls CHP finally catch up with AKP.
- AKP: %28,9
- CHP: %28,7

Deva is about to take over MHP's fifth place.

I said this hundreds of times with out solving Inflation and Unemployement Erdogan has no chance to win the next elections. Every passing month brings down his votes.

When asked Erdogan about polls, he said, doesn't believe in polls anymore, all the polls companies are working against government.
 
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Sir with all due respect you are wrong!
It isnt the public servant job to oppose the government ffs! In democracy, if the government opposes the constitution, then the courts/judiciary starts to act

Your example of Czech republic is bad, when was the police's job to protect the constitution? Who gave the authority to the police to act as fqing judges? The role of the police is to maintain PUBLIC ORDER AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS! And certainly not act like fqing judges! The police doesnt have the right to publicly and outrightly oppose the ministry ffs! If they felt that the ministry is wrong, they send a protesting letter (or whatever it was called); if the health ministry gave them the middle finger, then they complain to the main government; i-e, Minister or president or whatever Czech republic has. If even them are wrong, then the police submit an official protest and a motion to either the judiciary directly or through the parliament to oppose the health ministry and if it didnt worked then it will pass to the judicary.
If the judiciary is rotten, not fair, or controlled by the ruling party unfairly, then they are kicked out in the presidential or parliamentary polls. If such polls are rigged, then the ppl protest in the streets until the government is down!
This is democracy

What that asshole CHP leader did is trying to provoke rebeliousness in all the orders of the public institutuions in Turkey! If public servants doesnt follow the orders of the government elected by the ppl, then what is democracy for? Let the public servants rule the country by themselves! If public servants have a problem, there is something known as courts ffs! What the CHP leader asshole did is trying to provoke rebellion from behind the scenes and if it happens, he will reject such a motion and proclaim that we should preserve democracy and act like a damn Messiah

I swear i hate this two-faced hypocritical bastard! If he truly loves Turkey, then leave the CHP leader chair to Yavas! Unlike Imamoglu and Kilicdaroglu, Yavas until now seems to be a decent man who is respecting his job and promises to the ppl.
Why havent Kilicdaroglu left the leadership of the CHP after losing many times? Fqing isnane I swear. If Erdo is a traitor, then kilicdaroglu is an even bigger one
LOL no. It's every citizen's duty to protect the constitution which binds every one of the citizens, it's the fundamental law of the whole state. And it's the right of the person to deny the unlawful order.
(Besides, in Tukey, the judiciary is all filled with akpians. There are many things going on and not a single prosecutor moves their fingers for the allegation. If someone does something like this they would be immediately dismissed. But this is another topic).

For the last part, you can critizes people however it's not your place and right to declare them as traitors. You are not even a Turkish citizen.
 

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YPG can never be Kurdish or the voice of the Kurdish people.

Kurds are sunni muslims for at least 1000 years and decendants from legendairy characters like Ibn Al-Jazari, Abu Hanifa Dinawari, Abdulqadr Gilani and Sheikh Sayyid.

YPG/PKK is an Armenian terror organisation, born at the ruins of ASALA, with only socialist and marxist members. Thats why there are so many Turkish sympathizers and fans of YPG in leftist parties, universities, the gayscene, the unions etc.

Why the hell are you putting us gays in your equation of terror? The majority of Turkish gays probably support CHP and those who are supporters of HDP are doing it because other mainstream parties are excluding them. HDP is also promising them everything and the moon on top of it. I hope you acknowledge the fact that two decades ago AKP and Erdogan got all the gay votes in Turkey. It wasn't much of an issue back in the days, was it?
 
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Everybody sees that Erdogan's time is over.

At the latest polls CHP finally catch up with AKP.
- AKP: %28,9
- CHP: %28,7

Deva is about to take over MHP's fifth place.

I said this hundreds of times with out solving Inflation and Unemployement Erdogan has no chance to win the next elections. Every passing month brings down his votes.

When asked Erdogan about polls, he said, doesn't believe in polls anymore, all the polls companies are working against government.
Moreover he wrote himself in history as an Autocrat.

How many people in jail just because of insulting him?

I like DEVA party because They are very liberal.
 
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And it's the right of the person to deny the unlawful order.
Agreed. It certainly is the right of every person to deny an unlawful order. However, a public servant by law cant disobey his superiors; especially if such a heirarchy was made by the constitution
If that individual or public officer or whatever believe that those above him are providing him an illegal order; then he goes to the courts to obtain justice
Judicial courts are there for a reason!
If the judicial is rotten as you said, then the only way is to kick the ruling party out through polls..... this is the only way; it doesnt justify a public officer disobeying his superiors without going through the proper protocols first
If such public officer cant accept that he follows an illegal order and the judiciary wont help him as it is corrupt; then retirement until the polls are open is the way to go. Certainly, the new government will bring such an honourable soul back to his position
 

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Moreover he wrote himself in history as Autocrat.

How many people in jail just because of insulting him?

I like DEVA party because They are very liberal.

DEVA is economically liberal but I think their view on societal issues is rather conservative with a few liberal accentuations here and there...I'd say they are modern overall but taking into account our social values and traditions. Me likes.
 
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Thats bcoz, this people are hating erdo and akp sooo much, for them it doesnt matter, who comes. And this is really dangerous. Nobody asks, how is Chp thinking of Mavi Vatan. Nobody is asking how Chp is thinking of YPG/PKK. Nobody here is critizing the pkk sympathisants at CHPs chairs. They believe whoever will come, also maybe HDP, it will be better.
Nobody critize here CHP. Erdo is not my fathers son and i also dont like all of his politics. But this hatred, can also become like a threat to turkey back. Whoever comes, most important thing is, that they defend the national interests of turkey, to improve the defence industry. Whoever stops the improvements in the industry, they are the real traitors.
I hate him because Im a student that can't even afford living lmao
 

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I hate him because Im a student that can't even afford living lmao
I think u hate him also, not just economical, bcoz he dont believes in ur Tengri and also "represents" the conservatives in turkey. U have ur reasons to hate him, thats ok. Everybody has reasons to hate or love him. Doesnt matter, hes not more important then the Turkish Republic. In this thread im just seeing bad akp politic news. Its good to share this news, to see what for shit they are doing.
But its slowly time, to show also what the opposition politic will be after AKP. Bcoz we will vote soon.
How is the Main Opposition thinking about the themes what i said before. Iyi Parti isnt the main opposition, alone they cant do anything. so pls some realistic answers, so i can give my vote without doubt to the opposition.
 
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but I think their view on societal issues is rather conservative with a few liberal accentuations here and there
Nope. I can talk with certainty on Ali Babacan and DEVA since i'm following him closely and watched hundreds of videos of him.

On the social issues he basically says "State have to equally distance itself on all of it's citizens and act equally against everyone of them. State has no job to convert it's citizens or enforce a life style on them. State accepts every citizen with the way they are."
 
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I think u hate him also, not just economical, bcoz he dont believes in ur Tengri and also "represents" the conservatives in turkey. U have ur reasons to hate him, thats ok. Everybody has reasons to hate or love him. Doesnt matter, hes not more important then the Turkish Republic. In this thread im just seeing bad akp politic news. Its good to share this news, to see what for shit they are doing.
But its slowly time, to show also what the opposition politic will be after AKP. Bcoz we will vote soon.
How is the Main Opposition thinking about the themes what i said before. Iyi Parti isnt the main opposition, alone they cant do anything. so pls some realistic answers, so i can give my vote without doubt to the opposition.
Main opposition party already gave it's views on them and gave it for several times.

It's impossible for you not to know, if you had been sincere on your "i can give my vote without doubt to the opposition."

Look bro, most of us are done with trying to convince AKP voters. If you are seeing the bad situation of the country and still thinking about giving vote to Erdogan.

I believe most of the expats who are voting for Erdogan, basically wants Lira to get devastated so that they can come with their Euros and buy whatever they want.

Hope, Turkey doesn't accept dual citizenship in the future.
 

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Main opposition party already gave it's views on them and gave it for several times.

It's impossible for you not to know, if you had been sincere on your "i can give my vote without doubt to the opposition."

Look bro, most of us are done with trying to convince AKP voters. If you are seeing the bad situation of the country and still thinking about giving vote to Erdogan.

I believe most of the expats who are voting for Erdogan, basically wants Lira to get devastated so that they can come with their Euros and buy whatever they want.

Hope, Turkey doesn't accept dual citizenship in the future.
Look bro, im sure that there are expats who wants this. Like im thinking that HDP sympatisansts are PKK sympatisants and that CHPs chairs are full with this DHKP-C scum. Ok thats right, that turkeys economy isnt good at the moment, 100% true. Everything is expensive. There is also corruption, im 100% agree on this point. U said we are done with convince AKP voters, who are u? I dont think u are the Forumrepresentant. CHP voter? Dont say DEVA and make me laugh. So show me pls a link, it can also be a opposition channel like u did it before(YOL TV), how the main opposition is thinking of YPG/PKK. I really want to believe, that if the opposition comes, that the national security politics against pkk, syria, lybia, iraq, mavi vatan, defence industry politics will for the sake of T.C. Its easy to talk everythink good and beautiful if this happens, everything will be fine bla bla bla. If u show how it will be better, then i will say, yes Bro, u are 100% right. They are nationalists i was waiting so long for. But if u think, this politics are not so important, u just want the erdo away bcoz of economic and other reasons, its also ok, ur thoughts, ur wishes. Everyone has priorities.
 
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CHPs chairs are full with this DHKP-C scum


i haven't seen any dhkp-c scum.
it's cheap propaganda of Erdoğan.


vice versa the number of Kemalist nationalists in CHP much more than anti-nationalist Islamists in AKP.


CHP'lileri Hem 28 Şubatçı diye içeri atıyorsunuz , sonra da Cumhuriyet ve Atatürk düşmanı gibi göstermeye kalkıyorsunuz. DHKP kimdir onu öğren önce.
 
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Look bro, im sure that there are expats who wants this. Like im thinking that HDP sympatisansts are PKK sympatisants and that CHPs chairs are full with this DHKP-C scum. Ok thats right, that turkeys economy isnt good at the moment, 100% true. Everything is expensive. There is also corruption, im 100% agree on this point. U said we are done with convince AKP voters, who are u? I dont think u are the Forumrepresentant. CHP voter? Dont say DEVA and make me laugh. So show me pls a link, it can also be a opposition channel like u did it before(YOL TV), how the main opposition is thinking of YPG/PKK. I really want to believe, that if the opposition comes, that the national security politics against pkk, syria, lybia, iraq, mavi vatan, defence industry politics will for the sake of T.C. Its easy to talk everythink good and beautiful if this happens, everything will be fine bla bla bla. If u show how it will be better, then i will say, yes Bro, u are 100% right. They are nationalists i was waiting so long for. But if u think, this politics are not so important, u just want the erdo away bcoz of economic and other reasons, its also ok, ur thoughts, ur wishes. Everyone has priorities.
According to the interior minister, only around 50 DHKP-C scum remains to be captured; thus, the idea of DHKP-C being in the CHP is highly unlikely
It is just that CHP has been really controversial these days, with some questioning Mavi Vatan, with their leader asking why kavala and demirtas are in prison, some wanna reopen Military schools that FETO once operated in (saw it in an old tweet in this forum), and etc....
I mean just recently, a member posted a post about an article in which Imamoglu said new opportunities in Turkey-Russia ties will emerge with the CHP which was a rotten joke tbh and yet ppl are swallowing it
It feels as if their target isnt to appease the ppl but to appease the Western leaders which is a bad initial sign tbh
 
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"Mavi Vatan, DHKP-C, HDP" in every comment you can find this 3 words. Obviously Mavi Vatan and war against Greeks started by Atatürk, İnönü and CHP.

How pathetic seeing Turkish Islamists who had sympathy to far-left and Kurdish Separatists and blamed of CHP being fascist before 2000.

Our anti-fascist democrats suddenly happened nationalists.

"Erdoğan is looser" even megri megri won't save you.

Yeah " Mavi Vatan DHKP-C HDP"
 

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I thought the countries right voters are hilarious, but the left surpassed them really fast.

What i don't get is how they're trying to justify their bullshit actions with cheap stuff like "CHP allows DHKP-Cians meetings in their meeting rooms" and the other side responds with "did you forget megri megri".

Yani boku bokla sivamak.
 
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And they want them to win in 2023 while they can't even get facts straight.... smh

What is going to happen to Turkey if they win? Turkey will go back to pre-2003...
Where have you been since 2003 for 20 years? Why do people have to wait until 2023? What kind of magic will happen in 2023?
Yenilen pehlivan güreşe doymazmış.
 
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