TR Politics

[IC3M@N FX]

Erdogan is not the ideal politician for Turkey and yes he is running a one man show, and yes he is an autocrat like Trump, Putin & Xi Jinping.
But for me he is MOMETANELY without alternative the other politicians are lame ducks, they have no foreign policy expertise, you would play ping pong and 7D chess with them in international politics and their own dynamics and complexities at the same time and Imamoglu would always be the loser or would bend. Erdogan is more resistant because he has created a network of foreign policy ties and dependencies over two decades. I simply don't trust Imamoglu to be able to protect Turkish interests in the long term.
Then Charisma and an understanding of democracy alone will not be enough to keep Turkey afloat internationally.

Imamoglu would have or would work in peacetime to build a foundation in Turkey.
But we are seeing a turning point in history, with power blocs shifting or dissolving. The USA no longer wants to share power and no longer wants to play world police, it has become a hard-nosed transaction-based government, China is on a confrontational course with the USA. Russia is playing its own game with Europe. The world has never been so insecure and destabilized as it is now as a whole power structure.

Even an Erdogan has to make compromises and loses some battles, but there is a plan behind it, even the rapprochement with the PKK to remove it from Israeli and European influence.
The future will show whether this move is successful or not. What is certain is that the USA is withdrawing from Europe and the Middle East. Either you fill this power vacuum or another country with own interests will do it against Turkey.

You see it all on an emotional level, but logically speaking, there is no alternative in my eyes actually.
The man will live for a maximum of 7-8 years, you can tell by looking at him that he is in poor health and yes he is selfish that he wants to leave with his legacy.
History will show whether it's for better or worse. But to go along with the motto "it doesn't matter, but the main thing is that he's gone" is simply negligent and dangerous.

 

[Ryder]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Does feel like the public are now erdogan fatigued. When a person is in power for too long. People want him gone. It happens in a lot of countries. Germans got sick of Merkel. Russians are getting sick of Putin. Belarussians are pretty much done with Lukashenko. Azerbaijanis are done with Aliyev.

Erdogan does not have the advantage of being a post USSR Dictator. Which means his rule can still come to end with elections or resigning.

 

[No Name]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

 

[Ryder]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

Shevket Pasha that took control after that he got shot.

Even if Abdulhamid II got taken out there was no stability. As everybody was fighting it out until Enver, Jemal and Talaat agreed to share power.

Due to this squabble allowed the Italians to invade Libya and set off the Balkan wars.

Whats interesting now the Kurds are all waving Pkk and Kurdistan flags in the Eastern provinces in Turkiye.

Police are no where to be seen. A lot of people now call this capitulation to the Kurds by Erdogan.

Erdogan basically gave in to the DEM party. But his acting tough against his own people.

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904444695750533223

 

[Nilgiri]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

A republic was created by Ataturk later.

Democracy is a subset of it.... the rules invested in the republic's constitution that concern the role/scope of citizens to elect authority (in the trust the authority then best assigns unelected authority underneath it along with policy goals concurrent with basic security from forces outside the nation-state and internal law and order, i.e the execution of the constitution in both letter and spirit).

You cannot create a democracy without a republic (i.e the law that governs it).

Democracy for democracy sake (bounded by no law, and especially laws that are not up for vote regd individual rights) leads to tyranny of majority, lawlessness and then destruction of the nationstate itself.

Ataturk and CHP 1.0 played a significant role in embedding republican values long term into Turkish institutions and Turkish people at large to degree that was possible.

This is what largely is the prior and current baked in resistance and counterforce to anti-republican autocratic forces downstream.

I have confidence Turks value Ataturk and the core republic values mightily in the end to see through all current churn and subversions.

 

[Tabmachine]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

Democracy is a complete farce. Thoroughly vulnerable to manipulation by foreign entities, and internal interest groups. Prone to demagoguery.

The Chinese say it best that every country needs to formulate political structures which fit their context. Turks for example, imo, should have a government centered on military dictatorship / tutelage. The best Turks will always materialize in a soldiers uniform, not in a politicians suit.

 

[contricusc]

This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.

Comparing them to the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in US only confirms that they are brain dead. You are basically saying that they are the equivalent of the most retarded political faction in the West. This is not something to be proud of.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904219223745876260

Very nice points by poster in Turkish.

 

[schuimpjes]

military dictatorship / tutelage

Wasn’t that Turkish military like this before? – Especially Turkish military memorandum ‘97(?).

Parliamentary composition up to the people, but the executive/PM appointed by the legislative, don’t try

Instead of just trias politica (legislative, executive, judiciary) checking and balancing each other, it had military that also did the checks and balances if the government seen as unconstitutional.

Democracy for democracy sake (bounded by no law, and especially laws that are not up for vote regd individual rights) leads to tyranny of majority, lawlessness and then destruction of the nationstate itself.

Democracy without rule of law is ochlocracy

Law above anything, not leader above anything

 

[Ripley]

Varan Dört!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904576484939096462

Don’t tell me that a 22 year old young man was arrested as he was posing a threat to constitution, state, government, public safety just because he said “all is gonna be good”!

 

[CAN_TR]

OH MY GOD

Jihadists wanted to attack a girls dormitory and the police told them "don't do it this is what they want"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904308297785622920

@Ryder @TR_123456 @Lool @Oublious @Ripley @Mis_TR_Like @GoatsMilk @Asena_great @Barry @CAN_TR @Saithan

Always tough against women or in groups, always tough with their mouth but they can't back up anything.

In their wishes they're Mucahids in Gaza, in reality they just bother people sitting in Starbucks or emptying Coca Cola bottles, btw after paying for it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904300175629201756

Here's the account of one the jihadists. As usual, police won't do shit.

Jinekologlu sisko dalyar... bak hele nasil pozlar veriyor, ünlü olmak icin yeni X hesabi acimis, mavi tika para verip üye olmus

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904600583140499752

 

[CAN_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904600583140499752

Is this now the 51st anniversary of butthurt chants?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904608569606963471

 

[YeşilVatan]

The youth are

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Is this now the 51st anniversary of butthurt chants?

What I see there is that they hold up their hate towards Turks.

Something our people should do too, we are surrounded by terrorist countries. Being soft as people only kills them over time. Turks need to become more brutal in general again, call it barbaric or whatever.

 

[GoatsMilk]

What I see there is that they hold up their hate towards Turks.

Something our people should do too, we are surrounded by terrorist countries. Being soft as people only kills them over time. Turks need to become more brutal in general again, call it barbaric or whatever.

well you know who else hates Turks in Turkiye? Its the ones who allow the PKK supporters to roam and celebrate freely.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

well you know who else hates Turks in Turkiye? Its the ones who allow the PKK supporters to roam and celebrate freely.

Like I said many times, strong Countries/Empires tend to die from within.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What I see there is that they hold up their hate towards Turks.

Something our people should do too, we are surrounded by terrorist countries. Being soft as people only kills them over time. Turks need to become more brutal in general again, call it barbaric or whatever.

Who cares what the Greeks think about Turks & Turkey? They are nothing! Even Europe would abandon them if the going got really tough, e.g. attacked from Russia.

Turkey doesn't need to actively fuck such countries to be taken seriously.
It bothers them more when they are ignored, everyone knows that Greece are absolute cowards who hide behind other countries and they know that best themselves.
Countries that really have capacity and are powerful don't bark.
Nor do they go to other countries and beg for these or those Weapons not to be delivered to Turkey.