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[Asena_great]

there is nothing left to sell !! everythng already sold to arabs and others the country is in brink of bankrupcy erdoga made a kurdistan in iraq , pervented a turkmen autonomus region in iraq, created kurdisan in syria and now he is creating one in turkey and freeing ocalan like a good agent of BOP also crippled the army so it wont stop the BOP. beside he once almost sold Cyprus in 2004 unification referendum where he forced turkish cyprus to say yes ! also he opened kozmik oda and allow he's old friend fetö to steal all the state secret including name of 878 turkish agent whom they were killed also name of iraqi turkmens who where working with chief of general staff Hüseyin Kıvrıkoğlu to create turkmenli in iraq whom later all of them killed by peshmerga ! filled turkey all the arabs that where cleansed from north east of syria by YPG to help them create kurdistan ! meanwhile now arabs are majorty in hatay and they claim it is their while erdogan's imam halil kunakçi says hatay belongs to syria while erdgoan give away several islands to greece in 2000s under the zero problem policy with neighbor guess what happened not only they didn't stopped now the demand even more. during erdogan's peace process not only he gave PKK legitimacy but also revived them they were dead by the year 2000s they resuracted later by AKP given political and financial power and when demirtaş called for insurgency 59 of our Kurdish civilian killed by PKK while around 950 of our soldiers died during handek opration more martyed in handek operation then in cyprus war in 70s !!! he also remove adil sardar saçan the head of combating orginazed crime who send adnan oktar to jain and when he get out he was about to arrest him and all of his pedophilia sex tarkiat in early 2000s the first thing erdgoan did when he came to power was to remove him from his position hence condemning countless 9 years old girls to get gang r@aped in the tarikat !

what a nice BOP agent this erdogan is he has blood of 878 agent from opening of kozmik oda and 950 soldiers from peace process and around 45 to 80 from ergenekon trails !! he killed more then 1500 turkish servicemen !

I have money and real estate in Turkey that I have to pay tax on, don't think that I am going there for a comfortable free vacation. After my work I go back to my country Turkey. You reduce everything to the lowest denominator of money and how comfortable we have it here in Germany, I can only talk about myself.
I was brought up differently, if you want to achieve something in life then you have to fight for it and work hard.
No government in the world takes on this responsibility of personal well-being.
If you see it differently, then that's your opinion.
There are enough sectors in Turkey where you can earn money, let it be medicine, defense or industry and IT.
If the average Joe Doe in Turkey has no claim to himself and only wants to work for idiot Jobs and still complains about his fate of little money then that is his fault and nobody else.

you still didnt answer to me post ! i am waiting

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I was brought up differently

And by differently you mean in a functioning democracy with a good economy

For people living and working there, Türkiye has the least affordable housing market in the world

It's important to consider your privilege before coming to conclusions

 

[GoatsMilk]

If Turks are able to come out of this western backed psuedo islamist nightmare, you have to realise that the opposition will also be western backed. The game works by controlling both sides, the only way to protect yourselves is to be eternally vigilant. We seen thousands of corruptions from AK party and the nation allowed them to get away with every single one of them, its only natural that if it continues unabated your heading towards a theocratic tyranny. Remember erdogan even once said something along the lines of england has a queen, why can't Turkiye have a King.

One thing i learned about the western world, when they aim to bring a nation down they don't operate by supporting just one agenda. They support 10 agendas against your nation expecting that at least 1 of them will succeed. To me Imamoglu is another shithead, another traitor just like erdogan. I suspect all the major parties in Turkiye are supported by the west to varying degrees.

What's important is not "democracy" alone because democracy can easily be subverted and democracy alone moves you towards a leftist socialist hellhole state. What matters is "republican values" Turks need to understand what a republic is and make sure its upheld. Its the "republic" that is being destroyed, this is why AK party for past 20 years has always been going after the constitution.

In a pure democracy if the majority sunni Muslims vote that Turkiye becomes a Sunni theocracy, well everyone else gets f'ked. But in a "secular republic" your right to be a shia for example or not to be religious at all is protected. No one can take that away from you. "Democracy" when your grifting off Islam is actually the best tool to move the country towards a tyranny.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

If Turks are able to come out of this western backed psuedo islamist nightmare, you have to realise that the opposition will also be western backed. The game works by controlling both sides, the only way to protect yourselves is to be eternally vigilant. We seen thousands of corruptions from AK party and the nation allowed them to get away with every single one of them, its only natural that if it continues unabated your heading towards a theocratic tyranny. Remember erdogan even once said something along the lines of england has a queen, why can't Turkiye have a King.

One thing i learned about the western world, when they aim to bring a nation down they don't operate by supporting just one agenda. They support 10 agendas against your nation expecting that at least 1 of them will succeed. To me Imamoglu is another shithead, another traitor just like erdogan. I suspect all the major parties in Turkiye are supported by the west to varying degrees.

What's important is not "democracy" alone because democracy can easily be subverted and democracy alone moves you towards a leftist socialist hellhole state. What matters is "republican values" Turks need to understand what a republic is and make sure its upheld. Its the "republic" that is being destroyed, this is why AK party for past 20 years has always been going after the constitution.

In a pure democracy if the majority sunni Muslims vote that Turkiye becomes a Sunni theocracy, well everyone else gets f'ked. But in a "secular republic" your right to be a shia for example or not to be religious at all is protected. No one can take that away from you. "Democracy" when your grifting off Islam is actually the best tool to move the country towards a tyranny.

I agree with everything you said, but right now any opposition party is better. Can't get any worse than Islamists siding with ethnic separatists.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904481646922858873

MHP canceled another meeting. It's been two months since their last one. Bahçeli is nowhere to be seen, lot's of speculation that he is dead.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

news is from days ago but wow wow wow the corruption is absurdddd

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903703224336429432

 

[Asena_great]

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[Tornadoss]

I have money and real estate in Turkey that I have to pay tax on, don't think that I am going there for a comfortable free vacation. After my work I go back to my country Turkey.

With the money you earned in Germany?

 

[Barry]

Always funny to see the Arab Wanabe Umtards posting from whatever ME hellhole they live in to start talking shit about Secularism and Turkiye. If one of these morons opened a book other than the Quran, that'd be nice.

All they can do is talk shit in-between the see-saw of killing each other or being bombed by the West. Forever fucking useless idiots. They wonder why the entire world hates Muslims and sees them as backwards savages with no culture other than grooming children and dying under American bombs.

 

[Ripley]

There’s this term strongly followed and encouraged within American military high ranks.
It’s called “esprit de corps”, meaning “group spirit” “refers to camaraderie, shared purpose and devotion to a cause among members of a group“ (generative AI google)

And below is a guy who is light years away from the fact, from the moment.
He simply can’t read the room as they say. After 5 seconds of spilling his agenda, he was ’gently’ singled out by the crowd.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904452050983035218

That’s one of the reasons they never win and will never win.
They can never read the room.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I find that funny anyway, many people talk here that the AKP and its supporters are radical Islamists, in the 20+ years I have not seen that there is a Sharia law in Turkey, totally and absolutely focused on it or worked towards it. This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.
Women still walk around in miniskirts and wear thongs to the beach, they are also free to work government jobs in the government, military and industries with power.
Alcohol is still served in bars and restaurants and there is still fornication with escorts etc. There are still discos and parties.
Turkey is generally a Muslim liberal country, the only Islamists in my eyes are the Hür Dava (Hüdapar) party, but the AKP is far from that although they actively or passively cooperate with them.

Islamic culture belongs to Turkey, it is our culture and our heritage.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I find that funny anyway, many people talk here that the AKP and its supporters are radical Islamists, in the 20+ years I have not seen that there is a Sharia law in Turkey, totally and absolutely focused on it or worked towards it. This is an arch conservative party in my eyes, like the Christian Zionist bloc of Republicans in the US.
Women still walk around in miniskirts and wear thongs to the beach, they are also free to work government jobs in the government, military and industries with power.
Alcohol is still served in bars and restaurants and there is still fornication with escorts etc. There are still discos and parties.
Turkey is generally a Muslim liberal country, the only Islamists in my eyes are the Hür Dava (Hüdapar) party, but the AKP is far from that although they actively or passively cooperate with them.

Islamic culture belongs to Turkey, it is our culture and our heritage.

You can't turn a secular nation into one ruled by sharia law overnight. That worked in Iran with the efforts of western intelligence, but would never work in Türkiye due to multiple factors, one of which was and still is to a small extent, the military.

Why do you think the CIA made FETÖ creep into the military?

Erdoğan has been slowly chipping away at secularism, but has failed. The population, the youth in particular, is too well educated in the age of the internet. Erdoğan removed subjects such as evolution from school curriculums and replaced them with mandatory religious subjects... but this backfired and youth wants nothing to do with Islam.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

You can't turn a secular nation into one ruled by sharia law overnight. That worked in Iran with the efforts of western intelligence, but would never work in Türkiye due to multiple factors, one of which was and still is to a small extent, the military.

Why do you think the CIA made FETÖ creep into the military?

Erdoğan has been slowly chipping away at secularism, but has failed. The population, the youth in particular, is too well educated in the age of the internet. Erdoğan removed subjects such as evolution from school curriculums and replaced them with mandatory religious subjects... but this backfired and youth wants nothing to do with Islam.

Then you have answered that yourself, Turkey cannot be transformed into a Sharia law because the demography of the population does not allow it.
I stick to the fact that the AKP is an arch-conservative party and sry guys but in the arch-conservative block of the US Republicans there are also people who reject Darwin's theories even though they are scientifically correct.
You are all making a fuss about the AKP and bla bla bla they want to turn Turkey into Iran 2.0.
It's all about power, influence and money and votes and you don't win votes in the heartland by politicking for same-sex marriage among gays and minorities rights. Conservative voters and Republicans like myself, among others, don't easily vote for that.
It is not my view and I stand by it, and minority politics has never moved a country forward.

According to my latest findings, this is what the CHP stands for in its election program. They have supported these gay pride demonstrations, minority rights, and have reprimanded the current government for suppressing freedom of expression.
Why should I vote for such a party?

 

[TheInsider]

This is not about Islam, sharia law, or whether Turkiye becomes a better or worse place without Erdogan. Turkiye is on its way to becoming a one-man dictatorship. It is not even a single-party dictatorship because in single-party dictatorships, there are various checks and balances inside the ruling party. Neither Stalin nor Assad had, nor Xi Jinping has ultimate power, but Erdogan is on his way to claiming it similar to Putin and Aliyev. This has the utmost priority and it has to be addressed as soon as possible. Whether Turkiye becomes a better or worse place after Erdogan is a secondary problem.

I don't want Erdogan to be president until he dies, even if I know my life will improve and be better, but objectively, this is highly unlikely as the man has no clue how the economy works.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Then you have answered that yourself, Turkey cannot be transformed into a Sharia law because the demography of the population does not allow it.
I stick to the fact that the AKP is an arch-conservative party and sry guys but in the arch-conservative block of the US Republicans there are also people who reject Darwin's theories even though they are scientifically correct.
You are all making a fuss about the AKP and bla bla bla they want to turn Turkey into Iran 2.0.
It's all about power, influence and money and votes and you don't win votes in the heartland by politicking for same-sex marriage among gays and minorities rights. Conservative voters and Republicans like myself, among others, don't easily vote for that.
It is not my view and I stand by it, and minority politics has never moved a country forward.

According to my latest findings, this is what the CHP stands for in its election program. They have supported these gay pride demonstrations, minority rights, and have reprimanded the current government for suppressing freedom of expression.
Why should I vote for such a party?

What about Erdogan going fully towards dictatorship ? Someone who constantly violates the constitution, violates the law, is detaining journalists and opposition figures, destroying the economy, siding with terrorists who wants to partition the country, selling companies and assets to Arabs (especially Qatar), hating everything Turkish, flooding the country with millions of migrants and refugees to fill his own pocket, and so on and so on…

What about all those things ?

 

[schuimpjes]

Turkiye is on its way to becoming a one-man dictatorship. It is not even a single-party dictatorship because in single-party dictatorships, there are various checks and balances inside the ruling party. Neither Stalin nor Assad had, nor Xi Jinping has ultimate power, but Erdogan is on his way to claiming it similar to Putin and Aliyev.

“Power tend to corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely”

That’s why checks and balances are needed, to keep those in power in check and not just do as they want. And it can be found in democracy and freedom, two things that are intertwined.

You’re all are free men. Not chairs or tables that can only bow down and do nothing.

I’m with those who fight for freedom and democracy. Turkish people, I’m with you

Someone who constantly violates the constitution, violates the law

Last time I checked, Turkiye is a rechtsstaat, a country based on law (rule of law) and not a “might makes right”, machtstaat (power state), country based on leaders whim.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Erdogan is not the ideal politician for Turkey and yes he is running a one man show, and yes he is an autocrat like Trump, Putin & Xi Jinping.
But for me he is MOMETANELY without alternative the other politicians are lame ducks, they have no foreign policy expertise, you would play ping pong and 7D chess with them in international politics and their own dynamics and complexities at the same time and Imamoglu would always be the loser or would bend. Erdogan is more resistant because he has created a network of foreign policy ties and dependencies over two decades. I simply don't trust Imamoglu to be able to protect Turkish interests in the long term.
Then Charisma and an understanding of democracy alone will not be enough to keep Turkey afloat internationally.

Imamoglu would have or would work in peacetime to build a foundation in Turkey.
But we are seeing a turning point in history, with power blocs shifting or dissolving. The USA no longer wants to share power and no longer wants to play world police, it has become a hard-nosed transaction-based government, China is on a confrontational course with the USA. Russia is playing its own game with Europe. The world has never been so insecure and destabilized as it is now as a whole power structure.

Even an Erdogan has to make compromises and loses some battles, but there is a plan behind it, even the rapprochement with the PKK to remove it from Israeli and European influence.
The future will show whether this move is successful or not. What is certain is that the USA is withdrawing from Europe and the Middle East. Either you fill this power vacuum or another country with own interests will do it against Turkey.

You see it all on an emotional level, but logically speaking, there is no alternative in my eyes actually.
The man will live for a maximum of 7-8 years, you can tell by looking at him that he is in poor health and yes he is selfish that he wants to leave with his legacy.
History will show whether it's for better or worse. But to go along with the motto "it doesn't matter, but the main thing is that he's gone" is simply negligent and dangerous.

 

[Ryder]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Does feel like the public are now erdogan fatigued. When a person is in power for too long. People want him gone. It happens in a lot of countries. Germans got sick of Merkel. Russians are getting sick of Putin. Belarussians are pretty much done with Lukashenko. Azerbaijanis are done with Aliyev.

Erdogan does not have the advantage of being a post USSR Dictator. Which means his rule can still come to end with elections or resigning.

 

[No Name]

Erdogan has ruled the country pretty much its entire existence the Turkish republic is 100 years old. Which is pretty young by todays standards.

Even if he resigns or dies one day. The mans influence is still going to linger.

I wont be surprised if the man still is talked about 30 years on.

Its pretty hilarious seeing Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha pictures being flown. These men werent really democratic. They brought down Abdulhamid II for being a dictator then proceeded to being dictators themselves.

Our history is full of ironies.

Erdogan got arrested then thrown into jail. Now he repeats the same thing. Which is also ironic.

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

 

[Ryder]

Correction, they brought down Abdulhamid II and created a democracy then they realized that having a democracy in which everyone either wants the country to fall apart or be decentralized to the point of none-existence of a central government was a stupid idea, thus they become dictators.

Shevket Pasha that took control after that he got shot.

Even if Abdulhamid II got taken out there was no stability. As everybody was fighting it out until Enver, Jemal and Talaat agreed to share power.

Due to this squabble allowed the Italians to invade Libya and set off the Balkan wars.

Whats interesting now the Kurds are all waving Pkk and Kurdistan flags in the Eastern provinces in Turkiye.

Police are no where to be seen. A lot of people now call this capitulation to the Kurds by Erdogan.

Erdogan basically gave in to the DEM party. But his acting tough against his own people.