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[Mis_TR_Like]

To this Islamist crowd that's lost the plot in the past few days. I have a few things to say, but I'm seriously starting to question your intentions.

We are Turks. We're not Arabs.

If being Muslim means speaking, dressing and thinking like a foreign race then we need to have a serious conversation. Especially after your attempts at DESTROYING the relationship between Türkiye and Azerbaijan over a headscarf ban. I'm not going to forget this for years and neither are millions of others. In fact this entire attack will be responsible for raising "Islamophobia" to new heights.


Here's a video of a Dukha Turk nene from all the way in northern Mongolia. Despite the distance and isolation for 1000+ years, you can understand what she's saying. She and her people are living their best lives herding reindeer, free to do what they want. They still practice a form of Tengrism

Meanwhile here's a woman from Iran. She's being sentenced to death for blasphemy. Her life is ending at 23 simply because she said something.

Iranian woman handed death sentence for ‘blasphemy’ in social media post

Rights groups warn of Tehran regime’s increasing use of executions to suppress dissent, with at least 600 this year

www.theguardian.com

Assuming she's an ethnic Iranian, her people had their own script, their own way of life and had a fascinating history before Islam was even a thing. Now? They are dressing like Arabs, they are using the Arabic script rather than their own and even killing their own youth for questioning any of it.

And then you throw insults and belittle Azerbaijan for not wanting to be the next Iran, all whilst Iran is trying to get its dirty hands into Azerbaijani society. Do you even realize what type of cataclysmic threat their looking it? Once eroded from within there's no going back.

Look at Afghanistan. Stop with your fake and sudden obsession with women's rights, this is pure indoctrination, it all starts small.

Why do you insist so heavily on throwing away your own culture and willingly replacing it with something alien? We should neither follow the footpaths of the west nor the suicidal destructive path of the Islamic world.

Map of Turkic empires and states throughout history

Here's some untouched Turkic culture:

Tuvan song aired on TRT almost two decades ago:

Dukha tent:

İşte geyik evcilleştiren Dukha Türkleri ! 

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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Dukha language compared to Turkish and Kazakh

Turkish, Kazakh and Dukha - Turkic peoples and languages #türk #asia #nomad #kazakhstan #mongolia

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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Siberian Turkic (Yakut) Shaman:

Old image of a shaman from Altai mountains:

Siberian Shaman art:

Dukha Shamans:

A yurt in Kazkhstan:

Get used to it. We are here to stay.

 

[Tonyukuk]

To this Islamist crowd that's lost the plot in the past few days. I have a few things to say, but I'm seriously starting to question your intentions.

We are Turks. We're not Arabs.
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If being Muslim means speaking, dressing and thinking like a foreign race then we need to have a serious conversation. Especially after your attempts at DESTROYING the relationship between Türkiye and Azerbaijan over a headscarf ban. I'm not going to forget this for years and neither are millions of others. In fact this entire attack will be responsible for raising "Islamophobia" to new heights.


Here's a video of a Dukha Turk nene from all the way in northern Mongolia. Despite the distance and isolation for 1000+ years, you can understand what she's saying. She and her people are living their best lives herding reindeer, free to do what they want. They still practice a form of Tengrism

Meanwhile here's a woman from Iran. She's being sentenced to death for blasphemy. Her life is ending at 23 simply because she said something.

Iranian woman handed death sentence for ‘blasphemy’ in social media post

Rights groups warn of Tehran regime’s increasing use of executions to suppress dissent, with at least 600 this year

www.theguardian.com

Assuming she's an ethnic Iranian, her people had their own script, their own way of life and had a fascinating history before Islam was even a thing. Now? They are dressing like Arabs, they are using the Arabic script rather than their own and even killing their own youth for questioning any of it.

And then you throw insults and belittle Azerbaijan for not wanting to be the next Iran, all whilst Iran is trying to get its dirty hands into Azerbaijani society. Do you even realize what type of cataclysmic threat their looking it? Once eroded from within there's no going back.

Look at Afghanistan. Stop with your fake and sudden obsession with women's rights, this is pure indoctrination, it all starts small.

Why do you insist so heavily on throwing away your own culture and willingly replacing it with something alien? We should neither follow the footpaths of the west nor the suicidal destructive path of the Islamic world.

Map of Turkic empires and states throughout history

Here's some untouched Turkic culture:

Tuvan song aired on TRT almost two decades ago:

Dukha tent:

İşte geyik evcilleştiren Dukha Türkleri ! 

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

Dukha language compared to Turkish and Kazakh

Turkish, Kazakh and Dukha - Turkic peoples and languages #türk #asia #nomad #kazakhstan #mongolia

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

Siberian Turkic (Yakut) Shaman:

Old image of a shaman from Altai mountains:

Siberian Shaman art:
View attachment 83589

Dukha Shamans:

A yurt in Kazkhstan:

Get used to it. We are here to stay.

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Fascinating!

Tengrism is actually way more complex than people think, very interesting belief system. Also a lot of people have misconceptions about Kams (shamans).

By the way, I find it awesome that you guys put the top of a yurt in the logo, especially because it's sitting on an Anka 3. Really cool secret message there

 

[2033]

Sharing the photo of Hakan Fidan bowing does not reflect a true friendship. The more understanding we try to be, the more hostile they become.

I really wonder what we did to cause this animosity.

Those who depend on Israel will definitely lose in the end. Some claim that Iran will break apart and a Greater Azerbaijan will be established. However, let me tell you right now that you might lose even the little you currently have. This is deeply disappointing

 

[Tonyukuk]

The more understanding we try to be, the more hostile they become.

All I've seen on social media is tens of thousands bots attacking Azerbaijan and angry Islamists screaming at their camera. Any "understanding" is being completely drowned out unfortunately.

 

[Iskander]

Ahlatshah,
The point here is not about women, but about schoolgirls—in essence, children. (Such subtle, barely perceptible tactics are frequently used in propaganda.)
Do you like Iran?
Haven’t you noticed how quickly Tehran turned Iraq into one of its provinces? They achieved this through religion—a task made easier by the fact that a portion of Iraq’s population is Shia. They fought an unsuccessful eight-year war against Iraq, yet, thanks to propaganda, they managed to gain control over the entire country—and without any resistance whatsoever.
We are a secular state, but that does not mean our society is godless...
We are defending our national independence. If we yield to pressure, Azerbaijan will very quickly turn into yet another Iranian province.
This is a political issue.

 

[TR_123456]

I really wonder what we did to cause this animosity.

We didnt mind our own business instead we tried to meddle in their internal affairs.
So,why did we?

 

[2033]

All I've seen on social media is tens of thousands bots attacking Azerbaijan and angry Islamists screaming at their camera. Any "understanding" is being completely drowned out unfortunately.

What are you trying to say, my friend? Our people might be trolls, but Azerbaijan's highest officials are sharing a photo of Hakan Fidan with his head bowed. This issue is not about religion or headscarves. There is a planned hostility toward Turkey from the top to the bottom of the Azerbaijani government. This is my last message on this topic. Unfortunately, Azerbaijan is over for me.

 

[Tonyukuk]

What are you trying to say, my friend? Our people might be trolls, but Azerbaijan's highest officials are sharing a photo of Hakan Fidan with his head bowed. This issue is not about religion or headscarves. There is a planned hostility toward Turkey from the top to the bottom of the Azerbaijani government. This is my last message on this topic. Unfortunately, Azerbaijan is over for me.

Have you seen just how many trolls there are? Like just go on X, look at any comment section, you're going to vomit. It's pure psychological warfare. If you're Azerbaijani it must feel like a kick in the gut on every single post. It doesn't help that a lot of these accounts are "Aktrols".

So essentially the Azerbaijani government feels like it's being directly targeted by this huge cyber campaign. They even tried to hack some government websites.

I hope I'm not right, but I think the AKP government's own troll army has gone rogue.

 

[Iskander]

What are you trying to say, my friend? Our people might be trolls, but Azerbaijan's highest officials are sharing a photo of Hakan Fidan with his head bowed. This issue is not about religion or headscarves. There is a planned hostility toward Turkey from the top to the bottom of the Azerbaijani government. This is my last message on this topic. Unfortunately, Azerbaijan is over for me.

Aliyev received Hakan Fidan at the highest level, even though Mr. Fidan is not the highest-ranking official in Turkey.

 

[Anastasius]

That does not clear the fact that Azerbaycan is opressing muslims, does it.

By that metric Azerbaijan is also oppressing Jews and Christians because the same bans apply to them. Religious clothing and accessories are only permitted in religious schools while in public secular schools you must obey the dress code or you will be sent home. For some reason recent events have caused the Turkish media to ONLY focus on Muslims when Azerbaijan applies the policy equally.

I have my criticisms of this move, namely that it's going to further drive our religious citizens and their children into the arms of extremists by making it so that openly religious schools are the only places where they can get an education but claiming that this is oppressing Muslims is absolutely idiotic. If anything the danger is that we're setting up our Muslim youth for the same kind of isolated culture that birthed the likes of Erdogan which is something that Azerbaijan has been desperately trying to avoid since the first democratic republic was established.

 

[I_Love_F16]

To this Islamist crowd that's lost the plot in the past few days. I have a few things to say, but I'm seriously starting to question your intentions.

We are Turks. We're not Arabs.
View attachment 83587
If being Muslim means speaking, dressing and thinking like a foreign race then we need to have a serious conversation. Especially after your attempts at DESTROYING the relationship between Türkiye and Azerbaijan over a headscarf ban. I'm not going to forget this for years and neither are millions of others. In fact this entire attack will be responsible for raising "Islamophobia" to new heights.


Here's a video of a Dukha Turk nene from all the way in northern Mongolia. Despite the distance and isolation for 1000+ years, you can understand what she's saying. She and her people are living their best lives herding reindeer, free to do what they want. They still practice a form of Tengrism

Meanwhile here's a woman from Iran. She's being sentenced to death for blasphemy. Her life is ending at 23 simply because she said something.

Iranian woman handed death sentence for ‘blasphemy’ in social media post

Rights groups warn of Tehran regime’s increasing use of executions to suppress dissent, with at least 600 this year

www.theguardian.com

Assuming she's an ethnic Iranian, her people had their own script, their own way of life and had a fascinating history before Islam was even a thing. Now? They are dressing like Arabs, they are using the Arabic script rather than their own and even killing their own youth for questioning any of it.

And then you throw insults and belittle Azerbaijan for not wanting to be the next Iran, all whilst Iran is trying to get its dirty hands into Azerbaijani society. Do you even realize what type of cataclysmic threat their looking it? Once eroded from within there's no going back.

Look at Afghanistan. Stop with your fake and sudden obsession with women's rights, this is pure indoctrination, it all starts small.

Why do you insist so heavily on throwing away your own culture and willingly replacing it with something alien? We should neither follow the footpaths of the west nor the suicidal destructive path of the Islamic world.

Map of Turkic empires and states throughout history

Here's some untouched Turkic culture:

Tuvan song aired on TRT almost two decades ago:

Dukha tent:

İşte geyik evcilleştiren Dukha Türkleri ! 

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

Dukha language compared to Turkish and Kazakh

Turkish, Kazakh and Dukha - Turkic peoples and languages #türk #asia #nomad #kazakhstan #mongolia

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

Siberian Turkic (Yakut) Shaman:

Old image of a shaman from Altai mountains:

Siberian Shaman art:
View attachment 83589

Dukha Shamans:

A yurt in Kazkhstan:

Get used to it. We are here to stay.

View attachment 83590

To add to your very good post, we must understand that we are the most ‘’arabized’’ country out of all the Turkic states. The Erdogan administration even tried to exert some ‘’religious’’ influence on them. Hence why we are not much liked by those countries.

 

[Huelague]

That does not clear the fact that Azerbaycan is opressing muslims, does it.

Maybe they do not want the Arabian Islam influence.

 

[TR_123456]

Maybe they do not want the Arabian Islam influence.

In this case it is also Iranian islam influence.

 

[Huelague]

Aliyev has had quarrel with Russia, certainly with Iran for historical reasons and now with us: Only for Israel, I mean this Israel of Netanyahu? Frankly I am not sure. If he really chooses Israel and trust them, he must be out of his mind.

If he chooses to go against the logic, we have no choice but let him go that path. On the other hand, logic still exists in politics, especially in long term. He will sure remember this one way or another.

Maybe there is one more option.

 

[TurkishDelight]

Why has the issue of the headscarf become such a big situation? Doesn't it only apply to primary and middle schools? 1-8 ?

 

[Barry]

That does not clear the fact that Azerbaycan is opressing muslims, does it.

Are proper Turkish headresses banned or just the Shinobi garb?

 

[Iskander]

In this case it is also Iranian islam influence.

What about the "moderate" Turkish model? It has been only 15 years since Erdoğan began his religious experiments. I first took note of this immediately following the Gezi Park protests. It was then that Turkish television showed him reading the Quran—something I myself began doing 50 years ago, back in 1966. Admittedly, I had to do it in secret back then; in the Soviet era, it was forbidden, and my parents could easily have been accused of something and arrested. His subsequent actions showed that the events in Gezi Park left a deep impression on him. It seems that was the very moment he decided to cast aside all conventions and move toward overt action. I recall his words from a decade ago: "We are raising a religious generation!" he declared. Clearly, the "Gezi generation" was not to his liking.
This religious generation will grow up and perpetuate itself—independent of Erdoğan. And whom will they choose as their president 10 or 20 years from now? That remains a mystery. It is not even clear whether they will want a president at all—perhaps they will require an ayatollah, or some Turkish equivalent...
Do our Turkish brothers not see the chaos that Iran has sown in Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon? We cannot allow Tehran to turn our country into a battlefield fueled by religious conflict! This poses a grave threat to our nation, its independence, and its future! That is the crux of the problem. It has nothing to do with freedom of conscience or religion—our authorities do not interfere in such matters.
And what of our Muslim brothers—those self-proclaimed defenders of Islam? Where were they during those 30 years, while the Armenians in Karabakh were systematically destroying every single one of our mosques? Why didn’t Iran speak out against the Armenians or stand up to defend our shared faith when the Armenians were committing atrocities here? Why was Iran displeased that, after 30 years, we returned to Karabakh—arms in hand—and one of our soldiers recited the *adhan* (the call to prayer) in the only surviving mosque in Shusha? The whole world saw how Iran immediately massed troops along our borders and began making open threats against us!
We returned to Karabakh after 30 years, having fought through intense battles, and now we are restoring our mosques there.
It is clear that this is not at all about freedom of conscience or religion; on the contrary, certain forces want to dictate how we should live and what kind of generation we should raise—in essence, they are seeking political power!
Everyone here knows me as a supporter of Erdoğan. That is true—but only insofar as it concerns Turkey’s foreign policy and the achievements of its military-industrial complex. As for his long-standing efforts to cultivate a "religious generation" among the youth—I have never written about this on this forum, because it does not concern us. We should not interfere in matters that affect only Turkish society. And we expect the same from our brothers.
God forbid—no one in Azerbaijan would dare to speak out against our religion! We are not against religion; we are against the interference of religion in politics! What they want is power! Not freedom of conscience, but political power—and the "cultivation of a religious generation"! And what comes next? That is what worries us.

 

[2033]

What about the "moderate" Turkish model? It has been only 15 years since Erdoğan began his religious experiments. I first took note of this immediately following the Gezi Park protests. It was then that Turkish television showed him reading the Quran—something I myself began doing 50 years ago, back in 1966. Admittedly, I had to do it in secret back then; in the Soviet era, it was forbidden, and my parents could easily have been accused of something and arrested. His subsequent actions showed that the events in Gezi Park left a deep impression on him. It seems that was the very moment he decided to cast aside all conventions and move toward overt action. I recall his words from a decade ago: "We are raising a religious generation!" he declared. Clearly, the "Gezi generation" was not to his liking.
This religious generation will grow up and perpetuate itself—independent of Erdoğan. And whom will they choose as their president 10 or 20 years from now? That remains a mystery. It is not even clear whether they will want a president at all—perhaps they will require an ayatollah, or some Turkish equivalent...
Do our Turkish brothers not see the chaos that Iran has sown in Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon? We cannot allow Tehran to turn our country into a battlefield fueled by religious conflict! This poses a grave threat to our nation, its independence, and its future! That is the crux of the problem. It has nothing to do with freedom of conscience or religion—our authorities do not interfere in such matters.
And what of our Muslim brothers—those self-proclaimed defenders of Islam? Where were they during those 30 years, while the Armenians in Karabakh were systematically destroying every single one of our mosques? Why didn’t Iran speak out against the Armenians or stand up to defend our shared faith when the Armenians were committing atrocities here? Why was Iran displeased that, after 30 years, we returned to Karabakh—arms in hand—and one of our soldiers recited the *adhan* (the call to prayer) in the only surviving mosque in Shusha? The whole world saw how Iran immediately massed troops along our borders and began making open threats against us!
We returned to Karabakh after 30 years, having fought through intense battles, and now we are restoring our mosques there.
It is clear that this is not at all about freedom of conscience or religion; on the contrary, certain forces want to dictate how we should live and what kind of generation we should raise—in essence, they are seeking political power!
Everyone here knows me as a supporter of Erdoğan. That is true—but only insofar as it concerns Turkey’s foreign policy and the achievements of its military-industrial complex. As for his long-standing efforts to cultivate a "religious generation" among the youth—I have never written about this on this forum, because it does not concern us. We should not interfere in matters that affect only Turkish society. And we expect the same from our brothers.
God forbid—no one in Azerbaijan would dare to speak out against our religion! We are not against religion; we are against the interference of religion in politics! What they want is power! Not freedom of conscience, but political power—and the "cultivation of a religious generation"! And what comes next? That is what worries us.

ABİ what does any of this have to do with you fiercely defending Israel like they're your father's son? How do you explain secretly letting the Israeli President use Turkish airspace and naming the plane 'Shusha'?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2110639020288229625

 

[TR_123456]

What about the "moderate" Turkish model? It has been only 15 years since Erdoğan began his religious experiments. I first took note of this immediately following the Gezi Park protests. It was then that Turkish television showed him reading the Quran—something I myself began doing 50 years ago, back in 1966. Admittedly, I had to do it in secret back then; in the Soviet era, it was forbidden, and my parents could easily have been accused of something and arrested. His subsequent actions showed that the events in Gezi Park left a deep impression on him. It seems that was the very moment he decided to cast aside all conventions and move toward overt action. I recall his words from a decade ago: "We are raising a religious generation!" he declared. Clearly, the "Gezi generation" was not to his liking.
This religious generation will grow up and perpetuate itself—independent of Erdoğan. And whom will they choose as their president 10 or 20 years from now? That remains a mystery. It is not even clear whether they will want a president at all—perhaps they will require an ayatollah, or some Turkish equivalent...
Do our Turkish brothers not see the chaos that Iran has sown in Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon? We cannot allow Tehran to turn our country into a battlefield fueled by religious conflict! This poses a grave threat to our nation, its independence, and its future! That is the crux of the problem. It has nothing to do with freedom of conscience or religion—our authorities do not interfere in such matters.
And what of our Muslim brothers—those self-proclaimed defenders of Islam? Where were they during those 30 years, while the Armenians in Karabakh were systematically destroying every single one of our mosques? Why didn’t Iran speak out against the Armenians or stand up to defend our shared faith when the Armenians were committing atrocities here? Why was Iran displeased that, after 30 years, we returned to Karabakh—arms in hand—and one of our soldiers recited the *adhan* (the call to prayer) in the only surviving mosque in Shusha? The whole world saw how Iran immediately massed troops along our borders and began making open threats against us!
We returned to Karabakh after 30 years, having fought through intense battles, and now we are restoring our mosques there.
It is clear that this is not at all about freedom of conscience or religion; on the contrary, certain forces want to dictate how we should live and what kind of generation we should raise—in essence, they are seeking political power!
Everyone here knows me as a supporter of Erdoğan. That is true—but only insofar as it concerns Turkey’s foreign policy and the achievements of its military-industrial complex. As for his long-standing efforts to cultivate a "religious generation" among the youth—I have never written about this on this forum, because it does not concern us. We should not interfere in matters that affect only Turkish society. And we expect the same from our brothers.
God forbid—no one in Azerbaijan would dare to speak out against our religion! We are not against religion; we are against the interference of religion in politics! What they want is power! Not freedom of conscience, but political power—and the "cultivation of a religious generation"! And what comes next? That is what worries us.

Read my post again and tell me how this is an answer to it?

''In this case it is also Iranian islam influence.''

Which means both,the Turkish and Iranian islam.