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This isn't threat. I am not coming here to hear such insults, etc. But expected under moderators such as yourself. I am going to translate all these with Noter then directly go to a court, to AK Party and to Soylu. They need to hear all these, I wonder do they agree with such thing? Because I don't.
And then what? Are you guys gonna jail everybody who speaks the uncomfortable truth?
The mods should not allow members to threaten other forum members with state power over personal disputes, the forum was not AKP's property the last time i have checked.
 

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I sense a lot of insecurity with our little snowflake.

@Saithan and other mods, why is this kind of behaviour tolerated? That guy is trying to silence others.

@Cabatli_53 & @admins of this forum, is this forum going to share data with the Turkish government? Where are the servers based? Do we have to worry and start using VPNs as I jokingly said a while ago?
 

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Guys, you seriously ought to chill down
It is just a casual discussion
There is no need to go all serious about it

I do agree that moderators should try and tone down the hate, @Saithan should do better and try to draw the line and not let them just do whatever they want; I mean he is a moderator for god sake. However, that doesnt justify anyone threatening others with jail. Honestly, this is just wrong. I mean it is not like he stole or killed someone. So lets chill and try to have a well dignified conversation. Otherwise, i see no difference between us and apes
 

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Turkey's opposition faces upsurge of physical attacks as Erdogan gloats​

Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s open endorsement of a mob attack on a prominent opposition leader indicates the extent of immunity for assaults on opposition in Turkey.
Leader of Turkey's Iyi (Good) Party and presidential candidate Meral Aksener arrives at Bayrampasa to address supporters during a rally on June 21, 2018, in Istanbul, Turkey.

Leader of Turkey's Iyi (Good) Party and presidential candidate Meral Aksener arrives at Bayrampasa to address supporters during a rally on June 21, 2018, in Istanbul, Turkey. - Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images

A mob attack on a prominent opposition leader and her entourage has sounded the alarm in Turkey on the extent of impunity for perpetrators of assaults on the opposition, as the Turkish president has openly endorsed the incident as a “good lesson” to his critics.
Good Party leader Meral Aksener traveled to Turkey’s Black Sea province of Rize on May 21, which is also the hometown of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. As Aksener was scouting the streets and talking with shopkeepers in various parts of the province, dozens of Erdogan supporters gathered around her entourage to protest her remarks likening Erdogan to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu amid the Israeli-Hamas flare-up.
Aksener continued her trip, as the crowd shouted slogans in support of the Turkish president. Things took a violent turn when the crowd tried to approach her, setting off a brawl between Aksener’s aides and Erdogan’s supporters. The opposition leader was forced to leave the site and taken to her car unharmed. The party officials criticized the police for not taking timely measures to prevent the incident.
The number of assaulted opposition figures, including the leader of the main opposition and prominent lawmakers, has reached almost 60 in the past two years amid fears of more to come in a climate where Erdogan openly approves aggression and threatens more.
“She put me in the same pot with Netanyahu. … [She] was given a good lesson in my hometown Rize,” Erdogan said on May 26, addressing his parliamentary group.
“Pray that they haven’t gone too far while giving her the lesson,” he added. “This is a first. There is more and more to come. … These are your good days,” Erdogan said, threatening Aksener.
Mob attacks on opposition politicians have become common occurrences in Turkey over the past years. In 2019, the leader of the main opposition Republican People's Party, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, was attacked by a mob near the capital, Ankara, during the funeral of a soldier. A man punched Kilicdaroglu in the face as he was taken to a nearby house for refuge. Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, also at the funeral, tried to assuage the mob, telling them they “achieved their goal” as the mob chanted “Burn this house down.”
According to Kilicdaroglu’s attorney, Celal Celik, the police's tendency to act slowly against such incidents is telling. Celik sees the attacks as orchestrated attempts on the opposition.
Attacks on Kilicdaroglu and Aksener are “similar provocation” attempts, Celik told Al-Monitor, arguing that the attacks on Kilicdaroglu at the soldier's funeral and on Aksener in Erdogan’s hometown were clearly carrying a message from the government: “You have no place on my turf.”
The trial of 36 suspects who are accused of attacking Kilicdaroglu is ongoing, but no one is under arrest currently. Following the assault on Aksener, the Rize prosecutor’s office swiftly launched an investigation, but only on the Good Party officials who were involved in the brawl.
In addition to Kilicdaroglu and Aksener, Baris Atay, a lawmaker from the Turkey's Workers’ Party, was beaten by four men in Istanbul last year. The attack came just after his quarrel with Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu on social media. Similarly, Selcuk Ozdag, deputy chair of the opposition Future Party, was severely beaten outside his home in Ankara in January after criticizing the Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) de facto coalition partner, the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), in an interview with daily Yenicag.
On the same day, Orhan Uguroglu, the journalist heading the Ankara office of Yenicag, was also beaten outside his house. Although the attacks looked like they were linked to and organized by the same center, suspects of both incidents claimed they didn’t act on the instructions of anyone and the incidents were a mere coincidence.
Uguroglu argued that the prosecutor’s office tried to downplay the incident by charging the assailants on the grounds of occasioning actual bodily harm. Upon Uguroglu’s objection, his hearing was postponed until November. Similarly, the trial over Ozdag’s assault was postponed until September after its first hearing.
Uguroglu is not alone. According to CHP lawmaker Utku Cakirozer, more than 40 journalists were physically assaulted over the past three years.
The lack of comprehensive investigations into the incidents, lawsuits filed on simple charges against the perpetrators and long-running trials seem like encouraging factors in increasing attacks on opposition and dissidents.
“People are being arrested for criticizing Erdogan even in the simplest terms, but when it comes to those [assailants] who act with the intent to kill, they are being given passage,” Celik told Al-Monitor.
Gulizar Bicer Karaca, deputy head of the CHP, warns against the consequences of such impunity.
“If you fail to create the perception that the perpetrators will be immediately made to pay the price for their crimes and will be punished in the most severe way, then attacks on journalists and politicians will continue. Indeed, that’s what is happening,” she told Al-Monitor.
“Turkey is no longer a state of law. An order where the judiciary is not functioning anymore means mafia-like governance is prevailing,” Karaca added.
Karaca’s reference to the mafia is not for no reason. Alaattin Cakici, a notorious mafia boss, openly threatened Kilicdaroglu in November 2020, accusing the main opposition leader of treason. While the probe launched into the mobster’s threats yielded no results, Devlet Bahceli, leader of the MHP and Erdogan’s coalition partner, defended Cakici, saying he and the mob leader believed in the “same cause.”
Nowadays, another mafia leader has grabbed the spotlight. Revelations by Sedat Peker, a convicted organized crime boss who rattled Turkish politics with his videos claiming to expose Ankara’s “dirty secrets,” also gave clues about how well organized these attacks are. Peker recently admitted he was the instigator of a 2014 assault on former AKP lawmaker-turned-Erdogan critic Feyzi Isbasaran and of a violent protest against daily Hurriyet in 2015. Peker claimed he was involved in both incidents upon the request of AKP officials.
The latest revelations, top level endorsements for the perpetrators and shortfalls in the judiciary processes make it difficult to believe such attacks are mere spontaneous manifestations of anger; rather, they seem to be a systematic effort of intimidation.
"The close ties between the mafia and Turkish politics have now become a concrete fact before us,” Hasan Seymen, deputy head of the Future Party, told Al-Monitor, adding that the simple goal behind these attacks was to create a “culture of fear” as authoritarian governments do.
According to Good Party lawmaker Umit Dikbayir, the assaults are an indication of another important trend. The government “is in panic as its votes are going down,” Dikbayir told Al-Monitor
Uguroglu attests. “The goal is to tactfully intimidate intellectuals, journalists and politicians,” he told Al-Monitor. Governments all over the world resort to similar intimidation tactics to divert attention when they begin to lose their power, he added.
Given the widespread impunity, similar attacks on various opposition voices seem highly likely in a culture where Turkey’s leaders openly defend perpetrators. Besides, some believe darker times might be ahead as Turkey drifts toward authoritarianism.
“If impunity for those perpetrators becomes common practice, then the law of the jungle will prevail,” Seymen said.
Uguroglu thinks the upcoming period will see an increase in attacks on government critics. Reminding of a recent claim by a former Turkish intelligence officer that “political murders” could be next, Uguroglu warns also against graver prospects.


Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/original...sition-leader-warning-more-come#ixzz6wBKtyxvk
 

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Turkey's opposition faces upsurge of physical attacks as Erdogan gloats​

Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s open endorsement of a mob attack on a prominent opposition leader indicates the extent of immunity for assaults on opposition in Turkey.
Leader of Turkey's Iyi (Good) Party and presidential candidate Meral Aksener arrives at Bayrampasa to address supporters during a rally on June 21, 2018, in Istanbul, Turkey. 's Iyi (Good) Party and presidential candidate Meral Aksener arrives at Bayrampasa to address supporters during a rally on June 21, 2018, in Istanbul, Turkey.

Leader of Turkey's Iyi (Good) Party and presidential candidate Meral Aksener arrives at Bayrampasa to address supporters during a rally on June 21, 2018, in Istanbul, Turkey. - Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images

A mob attack on a prominent opposition leader and her entourage has sounded the alarm in Turkey on the extent of impunity for perpetrators of assaults on the opposition, as the Turkish president has openly endorsed the incident as a “good lesson” to his critics.
Good Party leader Meral Aksener traveled to Turkey’s Black Sea province of Rize on May 21, which is also the hometown of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. As Aksener was scouting the streets and talking with shopkeepers in various parts of the province, dozens of Erdogan supporters gathered around her entourage to protest her remarks likening Erdogan to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu amid the Israeli-Hamas flare-up.
Aksener continued her trip, as the crowd shouted slogans in support of the Turkish president. Things took a violent turn when the crowd tried to approach her, setting off a brawl between Aksener’s aides and Erdogan’s supporters. The opposition leader was forced to leave the site and taken to her car unharmed. The party officials criticized the police for not taking timely measures to prevent the incident.
The number of assaulted opposition figures, including the leader of the main opposition and prominent lawmakers, has reached almost 60 in the past two years amid fears of more to come in a climate where Erdogan openly approves aggression and threatens more.
“She put me in the same pot with Netanyahu. … [She] was given a good lesson in my hometown Rize,” Erdogan said on May 26, addressing his parliamentary group.
“Pray that they haven’t gone too far while giving her the lesson,” he added. “This is a first. There is more and more to come. … These are your good days,” Erdogan said, threatening Aksener.
Mob attacks on opposition politicians have become common occurrences in Turkey over the past years. In 2019, the leader of the main opposition Republican People's Party, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, was attacked by a mob near the capital, Ankara, during the funeral of a soldier. A man punched Kilicdaroglu in the face as he was taken to a nearby house for refuge. Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, also at the funeral, tried to assuage the mob, telling them they “achieved their goal” as the mob chanted “Burn this house down.”
According to Kilicdaroglu’s attorney, Celal Celik, the police's tendency to act slowly against such incidents is telling. Celik sees the attacks as orchestrated attempts on the opposition.
Attacks on Kilicdaroglu and Aksener are “similar provocation” attempts, Celik told Al-Monitor, arguing that the attacks on Kilicdaroglu at the soldier's funeral and on Aksener in Erdogan’s hometown were clearly carrying a message from the government: “You have no place on my turf.”
The trial of 36 suspects who are accused of attacking Kilicdaroglu is ongoing, but no one is under arrest currently. Following the assault on Aksener, the Rize prosecutor’s office swiftly launched an investigation, but only on the Good Party officials who were involved in the brawl.
In addition to Kilicdaroglu and Aksener, Baris Atay, a lawmaker from the Turkey's Workers’ Party, was beaten by four men in Istanbul last year. The attack came just after his quarrel with Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu on social media. Similarly, Selcuk Ozdag, deputy chair of the opposition Future Party, was severely beaten outside his home in Ankara in January after criticizing the Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) de facto coalition partner, the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), in an interview with daily Yenicag.
On the same day, Orhan Uguroglu, the journalist heading the Ankara office of Yenicag, was also beaten outside his house. Although the attacks looked like they were linked to and organized by the same center, suspects of both incidents claimed they didn’t act on the instructions of anyone and the incidents were a mere coincidence.
Uguroglu argued that the prosecutor’s office tried to downplay the incident by charging the assailants on the grounds of occasioning actual bodily harm. Upon Uguroglu’s objection, his hearing was postponed until November. Similarly, the trial over Ozdag’s assault was postponed until September after its first hearing.
Uguroglu is not alone. According to CHP lawmaker Utku Cakirozer, more than 40 journalists were physically assaulted over the past three years.
The lack of comprehensive investigations into the incidents, lawsuits filed on simple charges against the perpetrators and long-running trials seem like encouraging factors in increasing attacks on opposition and dissidents.
“People are being arrested for criticizing Erdogan even in the simplest terms, but when it comes to those [assailants] who act with the intent to kill, they are being given passage,” Celik told Al-Monitor.
Gulizar Bicer Karaca, deputy head of the CHP, warns against the consequences of such impunity.
“If you fail to create the perception that the perpetrators will be immediately made to pay the price for their crimes and will be punished in the most severe way, then attacks on journalists and politicians will continue. Indeed, that’s what is happening,” she told Al-Monitor.
“Turkey is no longer a state of law. An order where the judiciary is not functioning anymore means mafia-like governance is prevailing,” Karaca added.
Karaca’s reference to the mafia is not for no reason. Alaattin Cakici, a notorious mafia boss, openly threatened Kilicdaroglu in November 2020, accusing the main opposition leader of treason. While the probe launched into the mobster’s threats yielded no results, Devlet Bahceli, leader of the MHP and Erdogan’s coalition partner, defended Cakici, saying he and the mob leader believed in the “same cause.”
Nowadays, another mafia leader has grabbed the spotlight. Revelations by Sedat Peker, a convicted organized crime boss who rattled Turkish politics with his videos claiming to expose Ankara’s “dirty secrets,” also gave clues about how well organized these attacks are. Peker recently admitted he was the instigator of a 2014 assault on former AKP lawmaker-turned-Erdogan critic Feyzi Isbasaran and of a violent protest against daily Hurriyet in 2015. Peker claimed he was involved in both incidents upon the request of AKP officials.
The latest revelations, top level endorsements for the perpetrators and shortfalls in the judiciary processes make it difficult to believe such attacks are mere spontaneous manifestations of anger; rather, they seem to be a systematic effort of intimidation.
"The close ties between the mafia and Turkish politics have now become a concrete fact before us,” Hasan Seymen, deputy head of the Future Party, told Al-Monitor, adding that the simple goal behind these attacks was to create a “culture of fear” as authoritarian governments do.
According to Good Party lawmaker Umit Dikbayir, the assaults are an indication of another important trend. The government “is in panic as its votes are going down,” Dikbayir told Al-Monitor
Uguroglu attests. “The goal is to tactfully intimidate intellectuals, journalists and politicians,” he told Al-Monitor. Governments all over the world resort to similar intimidation tactics to divert attention when they begin to lose their power, he added.
Given the widespread impunity, similar attacks on various opposition voices seem highly likely in a culture where Turkey’s leaders openly defend perpetrators. Besides, some believe darker times might be ahead as Turkey drifts toward authoritarianism.
“If impunity for those perpetrators becomes common practice, then the law of the jungle will prevail,” Seymen said.
Uguroglu thinks the upcoming period will see an increase in attacks on government critics. Reminding of a recent claim by a former Turkish intelligence officer that “political murders” could be next, Uguroglu warns also against graver prospects.


Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/original...sition-leader-warning-more-come#ixzz6wBKtyxvk
Dozens of Ak trolls surrounding one woman, wow how manly of them, how couragous, we are all impressed now, i will definitely vote Erdogan the next time.
 
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Dozens of Ak trolls surrounding one woman, wow how manly of them, how couragous, we are all impressed now, i will definitely vote Erdogan the next time.
It actually shows the weakness of AKP as they are resorting to violence in Erdogan's stronghold.

Also yesterday Police beat down Tea Producers. Erdogan is losing his mind. Rize voted %77 for Erdogan in the last elections.


Unlike, some other people of this forum, i don't support violence on anybody in Turkey.
 

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Syria, Trucks, SADAT was already known one way or another. Equipment was given to different groups distributed under operation room. Made it to international news before. Business people close to Erdogan getting contracts in conflict areas, Israel is also known.

He is still testing waters.
 
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It actually shows the weakness of AKP as they are resorting to violence in Erdogan's stronghold.

Also yesterday Police beat down Tea Producers. Erdogan is losing his mind. Rize voted %77 for Erdogan in the last elections.


Unlike, some other people of this forum, i don't support violence on anybody in Turkey.
Nobody supports violence
But lets be honest..... here Iam waiting for the CHP to win and 3 years later Generation Z starts to suffer and regrets chosing them
Like... history is being played all over again
As much as I hate the AKP, iam one million percent sure that the CHP are idiots with no vision and will ruin turkey by the next time they rule, they will never leave the chair of power especially since the UAE and France will invest heavily in the CHP later on. I would say around 40 years more before the CHP leaves


But yeah unless the situation improves in turkey, erdogan will definitely lose.
 
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Nobody supports violence
But lets be honest..... here Iam waiting for the CHP to win and 3 years later Generation Z starts to suffer and regrets chosing them
Like... history is being played all over again
As much as I hate the AKP, iam one million percent sure that the CHP are idiots with no vision and will ruin turkey by the next time they rule, they will never leave the chair of power especially since the UAE and France will invest heavily in the CHP later on. I would say around 40 years more before the CHP leaves


But yeah unless the situation improves in turkey, erdogan will definitely lose.
Any other party will be much much better than the illiterate, moral-bankrupt, corrupt AKP, my Albanian friend.

Also, your conspiracy theories about opposition parties are non-sense which are similar to AKP trolls.
 
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Syria, Trucks, SADAT was already known one way or another. Equipment was given to different groups distributed under operation room. Made it to international news before. Business people close to Erdogan getting contracts in conflict areas, Israel is also known.

He is still testing waters.
Yeah, also. He is not proving anything. What Sedat Peker says on these issues are mere speculations without hard evidence.

I think, he wants to spread his videos over time and wants to stay in the headlines for a long time.
 

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Any other party will be much much better than the illiterate, moral-bankrupt, corrupt AKP, my Albanian friend.

Also, your conspiracy theories about opposition parties are non-sense which are similar to AKP trolls.

Ahh yes the illiterate akp that keeps on winning while the opposition constantly cry and whine.

If its one thing that keeps akp winning its the useless opposition. Since you call the akp illiterate that just makes it even more embarassing.
 
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According to latest polls Erdogan is losing badly.

Istanbul Ekonomi Araştırma:
Erdoğan %39.9 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %51.4
Erdoğan %38.1 - Mansur Yavaş %52.5

Aksoy Araştırma:
Erdoğan %36 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %45.5
Erdoğan %35.7 - Mansur Yavaş %47.9

Yöneylem Araştırma:
Erdoğan %40,3 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %42.9
Erdoğan %38.9 - Mansur Yavaş %46.5

MetroPoll Araştırma:
Erdoğan %38,8 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %49.7
Erdoğan %37.5 Mansur Yavaş %49.4

Avrasya Araştırma:
Erdoğan %32,1 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %48
Erdoğan %30.9 Mansur Yavaş %47.6


Erdoğan and his corrupt ministers will be either in jail or in the caves of Afganistan in 3 years max.
 

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Does it looks that from Australia? Maybe you don't know at thing about Turkey since you never been here?

Do you even speak Turkish in the first place? You speak like you are from another galaxy.

Who is losing what exactly? Please don't waste my time, if you are going to talk like an AKPeon.

I observe and try to understand plus me being from Australia does not make my opinion useless.

Also the akp is bringing itself down its going to self implode while thnking it can rely on good will. Akp has mainly self inflicted it on themselves.

You really think the oppsition can bring the akp down you are wrong.
 

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According to latest polls Erdogan is losing badly.

Istanbul Ekonomi Araştırma:
Erdoğan %39.9 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %51.4
Erdoğan %38.1 - Mansur Yavaş %52.5

Aksoy Araştırma:
Erdoğan %36 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %45.5
Erdoğan %35.7 - Mansur Yavaş %47.9

Yöneylem Araştırma:
Erdoğan %40,3 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %42.9
Erdoğan %38.9 - Mansur Yavaş %46.5

MetroPoll Araştırma:
Erdoğan %38,8 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %49.7
Erdoğan %37.5 Mansur Yavaş %49.4

Avrasya Araştırma:
Erdoğan %32,1 - Ekrem İmamoğlu %48
Erdoğan %30.9 Mansur Yavaş %47.6


Erdoğan and his corrupt ministers will be either in jail or in the caves of Afganistan in 3 years max.

Telling that yandas pollsters are very silent since a few months now. The last "polls" they released, at least those you could take a little serious, had Erdogan virtually tied with most possible candidates. Since then it has been pretty radio silent.

I think Peker is going to go hard against Erdogan in the next videos. He most likely tested to see if he was going to fire Soylu but it didn't happen because it can't happen. First of all Soylu has knowledge of all the shady shit AKP has been doing and would air it all out the second AKP and Erdogan dropped him. Second he most likely has saved enoug evidence to burn the whole party down. And third even without all this firing Soylu would make Erdogan lose Soylu fanboys as voters which Erdogan can't sustain with how much support he has already lost.
This is right now a hostage situation. If Soylu is sacrificed so will the AKP with him. There is no way for the AKP to survive a coming out from Soylu.

But the more he holds on to him the more strays he will catch. But if lets him go he will burn down the whole party.
There is no right decision here. But both ways hurt the AKP which is a plus for me.

The opposition just needs to make the right choice in who will be the candidate in 2023 and continue speaking on the right policies. Thats literally all they have to do. AKP is already doing the biggest job already for the opposition by burning itself down and starting civil wars inside the party.
 

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Nobody supports violence
But lets be honest..... here Iam waiting for the CHP to win and 3 years later Generation Z starts to suffer and regrets chosing them
Like... history is being played all over again
As much as I hate the AKP, iam one million percent sure that the CHP are idiots with no vision and will ruin turkey by the next time they rule, they will never leave the chair of power especially since the UAE and France will invest heavily in the CHP later on. I would say around 40 years more before the CHP leaves


But yeah unless the situation improves in turkey, erdogan will definitely lose.
You speak like Turkey isnt ruined already.
 

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Ahh yes the illiterate akp that keeps on winning while the opposition constantly cry and whine.

If its one thing that keeps akp winning its the useless opposition. Since you call the akp illiterate that just makes it even more embarassing.
Turkey is full of illiterates, thats where the problems start.
 
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