TR Propulsion Systems

[Tornadoss]

What is ARAT project guys ?

It's development of engine project to be used in Gezgin cruise missile AFAIK.

 

[Lool]

The KTJ-3700 weighs the same as the KTJ-3200, but produces more thrust and has a lower SFC. It can also work at an altitude of 10,000m. With these features, it will form a basis for ARAT. The tests of KTJ-3700 will start in the second quarter of 2022....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516700184448745476

Kale is recently doing a really impressive job

Ever since the KTJ-3200, and they already developed 2 new engines using the KTJ-3200. This is a good improvement. Kale is set to be a critical player in the defense industry soon enough

Now I wonder about TEI, they already developed the TEI TJ-300 year ago and no new engine was mentiined till now. Are they keeping their projects a secret or not, I womder

 

[Lool]

It's development of engine project to be used in Gezgin cruise missile AFAIK.

Just a question though, If Turkey is developing Gezgin cruise missile, then why are they developing a different cruise missile known as Cakir?

 

[Hexciter]

Just a question though, If Turkey is developing Gezgin cruise missile, then why are they developing a different cruise missile known as Cakir?

Çakir will be half size of SOM/Atmaca and Gezgin will be like twice size.

 

[Lool]

Çakir will be half size of SOM/Atmaca and Gezgin will be like twice size.

If the specs are the same, shouldnt Turkey throw Gezgin away or are they different in capabilities

 

[Mehmed Ali]

If the specs are the same, shouldnt Turkey throw Gezgin away or are they different in capabilities

Gezgin is like Tomahawk

 

[Abdelaziz]

Just a question though, If Turkey is developing Gezgin cruise missile, then why are they developing a different cruise missile known as Cakir?

Gezgin is long range cruise missile .. its the turkish version of american tomahawk ... Its very critical and dangerous weapon

 

[Glass🚬]

@Lool

this is gezgin

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Kale Group Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors and Head of Technical Department Osman OKYAY also touched upon the ARAT Project and said that the project started as of November 2021 after the approval of SSİK and that they aim to complete it in 30 months and reveal the engine, although a 40-month calendar is presented in the project.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516710507784327169

Since a different page is given to the Arat project in the presentation, It will result in the birth of such a family in Kale's turbojet projects

Name	Thrust	Weight	Altitude	Missile
KTJ1750	1750N	17kg	10000m	Çakir family Missiles
KTJ3200	3200N	50kg	5000m	SOM - ATMACA family Missiles
KTJ3700	3700N	50kg	10000m	SOM-NG and Atmaca-NG (?)
ARAT	?	?	~10000m	Gezgin Missile

 

[Combat-Master]

Since a different page is given to the Arat project in the presentation, It will result in the birth of such a family in Kale's turbojet projects

Name	Thrust	Weight	Altitude	Missile
KTJ1750	1750N	17kg	10000m	Çakir family Missiles
KTJ3200	3200N	50kg	5000m	SOM - ATMACA family Missiles
KTJ3700	3700N	50kg	10000m	SOM-NG and Atmaca-NG (?)
ARAT	?	?	~10000m	Gezgin Missile

 

[TNAHN]

tei: We are trying to make the tj-90 engine work at the desired altitude.
I compared the kale with tei and criticized it a lot.
at the end of the day they definitively passed tei in turbojet engines.
Congratulations kale.

 

[Oublious]

If ioanis dayilik have twitter account, somebody should post the news about Gezgin engine . I am afraid we will lose the guy because of heart attack or high blood pressure.

 

[Oublious]

The reason why the KTJ-3200 10 years is finished is explained. Ther was no infrastructure, no material and knowledge.

Kervan yolda duzelir .

 

[Cabatli_TR]

KTJ-3700

 

[Zafer]

The reason why the KTJ-3200 10 years is finished is explained. Ther was no infrastructure, no material and knowledge.

Kervan yolda duzelir .

That means Kale was not fit for the job but TEI was.

 

[Oublious]

That means Kale was not fit for the job but TEI was.

Not really, he have explained why. Just listen the video.

 

[Tornadoss]

That means Kale was not fit for the job but TEI was.

It's strange how they get the project without infrastructure and know-how. However, I assume this choice paid off, Kale now has the experience, know-how, and infrastructure. It is better to have more companies developing engines.

 

[Zafer]

Not really, he have explained why. Just listen the video.

They simply wanted to create a second turbine engine maker.
Idealab and Black Sea Shield should join the party.

 

[Combat-Master]

Kale Group Vice Chairman of the Board and Head of the Technical Department Osman OKYAY announced the start of the mass production of KTJ-3200 and that the first 50 engines will be delivered in 2022...
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516704438727196674

50 engines per year is good, they also said that if it's necessary they can expand their production capacity. It seems, they may have to with the new orders of engines that will soon com flooding in with Cakir Mini Cruise Missile...

 

[Fairon]

Is there a chance that we are finally taking steps to fixing the conflicting projects problem?

It could be that small missile engines will be developed by Kale(or other companies) and TEI will focus on bigger engines.

I hope thats the case. TEI is overextended as it is. There is no need for them to allocate resources to develeop smaller engines if there are other feasible alternatives.