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[Lool]

Basically it’s related to how well of you are, the countries CM mentioned are all better off than Turkey one way or another. And they are most certainly not head butting Russia at every corner. Just recall how people were quick to mention Italy not being trust worthy in Libya. Still hasn’t changed, but they’re not ever doing things alone. In short Italy makes business.

Turkey not so much because ummah takes priority. Besides it’s going to be a goading game and the west will wait for RTE to make more mistakes and slowly shut the faucet to a trickle.

Sadly, Turkey cant make business in such matters
Many seem to criticise Turkey's actions but for me you can never compare current or past Turkey with Italy, Spain, France, or UK. Such countries have completely independent militaries and can strike hard when it matters
Italy doesnt even care if a dictator rules Libya or not. In fact, for Italy, France and other Western countries, A dictator as well as a clown like Haftar would be prefered as he would be easy to control, monopolise, and steal oil from. I mean why would France support Haftar if not for this. Any country that France supports turns out to be a big bank for France's economy from Egypt to Greece etc...
Turkey is in a clusterfq! It is faced against the richest rotten gulf nations who are allied with nations advanced technologically
In fact, I for once thought that "what if" Turkey supported gulf monarchies in the beginning rather than opposing them; sadly, I reached the same conclusion of them being enemies as gulf nations would obviously betray Turkey for France as France is more important politicaly, technologically, militarily, and have the same rotten mentality as the gulf monarchies which means that the possibility of comflict between them is minimal

IMO, this is fate! A massive test for Turkey! Nationalisation kf hard power is the only choice and above all sanctions that drive Turkey to nationalisation is a good boost in the long term

 

[Saithan]

Sadly, Turkey cant make business in such matters
Many seem to criticise Turkey's actions but for me you can never compare current or past Turkey with Italy, Spain, France, or UK. Such countries have completely independent militaries and can strike hard when it matters
Italy doesnt even care if a dictator rules Libya or not. In fact, for Italy, France and other Western countries, A dictator as well as a clown like Haftar would be prefered as he would be easy to control, monopolise, and steal oil from. I mean why would France support Haftar if not for this. Any country that France supports turns out to be a big bank for France's economy from Egypt to Greece etc...
Turkey is in a clusterfq! It is faced against the richest rotten gulf nations who are allied with nations advanced technologically
In fact, I for once thought that "what if" Turkey supported gulf monarchies in the beginning rather than opposing them; sadly, I reached the same conclusion of them being enemies as gulf nations would obviously betray Turkey for France as France is more important politicaly, technologically, militarily, and have the same rotten mentality as the gulf monarchies which means that the possibility of comflict between them is minimal

IMO, this is fate! A massive test for Turkey! Nationalisation kf hard power is the only choice and above all sanctions that drive Turkey to nationalisation is a good boost in the long term

Moderate islamic politicians can't make politics that way. Because they're more occupied with their standing in the eyes of ummah than their national gains.

Mavi Vatan is in more danger in the hands of incompetent politicians than TSK.

As you may know politicians didn't even know or think of Mavi Vatan until TN made it pop up in the agenda.

Milgem is here but we still lack proper domestic propulsion system and to actually use them.

With proper governance and solid politics we could have gotten better cooperation with UK, but unfortunately things hit a roadblock called Qatar

 

[Hexciter]

Erin Motor OWL: 6hp and 12hp, 2-stroke, 2-cylinder, gasoline UAV engines.

12hp Owl H12 was also seen on Baykar’s DİHA Uat Teknofest2021.

Engines are both national design and domestic production from alternator, PMU, ECU card design and software.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1445001142186938371

 

[Combat-Master]

Interestingly, TEI has removed TEI-PG30 and TEI-PG40 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engines from their website. Leaving only TEI-PG50 and TEI-PG50S.

TEI-PG50 is I believe being developed for Unammned Aircraft while TEI-PG50S is being developed for manned ultralight aircraft?

TEI-PG50	TEI-PG50S

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/products/tei-pg50-2-stroke-gasoline-aviation-engine

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/products/tei-pg50s-2-stroke-gasoline-aviation-engine

 

[Stuka]

Quick Comparison between Engines.

CAT C13 Defence Engine	BMC Power AZRA Engine
6 Cylinder Inline	6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement	12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power	(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque	2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm Stroke 157 mm	Bore 128 mm Stroke 166 mm

 

[Agha Sher]

Quick Comparison between Engines.

CAT C13 Defence Engine	BMC Power AZRA Engine
View attachment 33095	View attachment 33096
6 Cylinder Inline	6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement	12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power	(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque	2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm Stroke 157 mm	Bore 128 mm Stroke 166 mm

Weight? Not an expert on engines? Is BMC's generally better?

 

[Stuka]

Weight? Not an expert on engines? Is BMC's generally better?

Not really an Expert.

CAT C13 weighs ca 1100kg.

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There isn't too many Information about BMC Powers Engines but they seem indeed similar.

BMC Power has also many people from MTU Friedrichshafen and Mercedes Benz.
> MTU takes Mercedes Benz Engines and modifies them.

and even here the Engines seem quite similar.

 

[Zafer]

Interestingly, TEI has removed TEI-PG30 and TEI-PG40 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engines from their website. Leaving only TEI-PG50 and TEI-PG50S.

TEI-PG50 is I believe being developed for Unammned Aircraft while TEI-PG50S is being developed for manned ultralight aircraft?

TEI-PG50	TEI-PG50S
View attachment 32939	View attachment 32938

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/products/tei-pg50-2-stroke-gasoline-aviation-engine

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/products/tei-pg50s-2-stroke-gasoline-aviation-engine

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The lesser engines had the same structure but were rated with far less power, It didn't make sense.
TEI-PG50S has the perfect power level for a single place helicopter like the Mosquito Air. Would be fantastic to have a chance to try it out.

 

[Sinan]

This gives Turkey more leverage againsst western companies.

Last time Erdogan threw a fit like this, we have been kicked out of F-35 program.

Unfortunately, carpet seller mentality doesn't work in international relations.

 

[Stuka]

Quick Comparison between Engines.

CAT C13 Defence Engine	BMC Power AZRA Engine
View attachment 33095	View attachment 33096
6 Cylinder Inline	6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement	12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power	(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque	2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm Stroke 157 mm	Bore 128 mm Stroke 166 mm

How The Engines look in their Respective Powerpacks.

C13 Power pack used in all Turkish 8x8 IFVs versus The BMC Power AZRA Power pack. Both are paired with Allison 4000 Series Transmissions.

ARMA II and ALTUG

( You can see the Yellow part of the CAT C13 and the Blue of the BMC Power Engines Respectively )

 

[Combat-Master]

How The Engines look in their Respective Powerpacks.

C13 Power pack used in all Turkish 8x8 IFVs versus The BMC Power AZRA Power pack. Both are paired with Allison 4000 Series Transmissions.

ARMA II and ALTUG

( You can see the Yellow part of the CAT C13 and the Blue of the BMC Power Engines Respectively )

View attachment 33109 View attachment 33108

Azra powerpack looks more compact and streamlined, even though it's still in the development/testing phase. Looks promising!

 

[Siper>MMU]

Another engine project by Tubitak MAM ? I guess it is marine since displacement 30 liters.
Source: https://star.tubitak.gov.tr/

 

[Combat-Master]

TEI-TJ90 - Combustion chamber is additively manufactured and completed tests in 2017

Conventionally, the combustion chamber would have consisted of 9 parts.

 

[yusuf]

TEI-TJ90 - Combustion chamber is additively manufactured and completed tests in 2017
View attachment 33738

Conventionally, the combustion chamber would have consisted of 9 parts.
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but not in use şimşek target drone unfortunately

 

[Combat-Master]

Outstanding engineering achievement that opened up to the world from Eskişehir… After the Ecotorq engine and rear axle, now Turkey's first and only domestic transmission was designed, developed and produced by Ford Otosan; #BizdenBirParça "Ecotorq Gearbox". #FordTrucks #EveryLoadTogether

 

[TheInsider]

This looks like a ready product, probably completed its tests. Now Ford Otosan vehicles will have %90 Turkish national components.

 

[Combat-Master]

This looks like a ready product, probably completed its tests. Now Ford Otosan vehicles will have %90 Turkish national components.

Yes, that's what he says here;

 

[TheInsider]

150 KTJ-3200 turbojet engine will be delivered in 2022. If requested Kale can easily double that amount.
Prototype production of improved KTJ-3200 is nearing completion. It will have similar dimensions compared to KTJ-3200, it will produce more thrust and will consume less fuel. The first tests on the prototype will start soon.
There are several other turbojet engine projects. I guess one engine for Roketsan middle range anti-ship missile and one engine for Kuzgun-TJ.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Outstanding engineering achievement that opened up to the world from Eskişehir… After the Ecotorq engine and rear axle, now Turkey's first and only domestic transmission was designed, developed and produced by Ford Otosan; #BizdenBirParça "Ecotorq Gearbox". #FordTrucks #EveryLoadTogether
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It was scheduled for 2020 ..despite the delay good job ... But as we know otokars isnt going to use it in military vehicles

 

[Abdelaziz]

Outstanding engineering achievement that opened up to the world from Eskişehir… After the Ecotorq engine and rear axle, now Turkey's first and only domestic transmission was designed, developed and produced by Ford Otosan; #BizdenBirParça "Ecotorq Gearbox". #FordTrucks #EveryLoadTogether
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But does any one knows if all rights and production capabilities belong to koç ? Or is there a foreign licences ?