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[Zafer]

Different programs.


This timeline is only correct in the minds of propagandists.

This timeline becomes plan A when the 110 engines fail to arrive.

 

[TheInsider]

If the TF-10000 is massively delayed, wouldnt that delay the TF-35000 as well?
As far as I remember, TEI planned to have the TF-35000 working by the end of 2028 and incorporate it into KAAN by the end of 2029/early 2030 for 2 years of testing following the official delivery by 2032

Not necessarily. TEI has a limited pool of engineers to run all those projects, and engineers are allocated to certain tasks from that pool. Let's assume you need 200 engineers to hit the timeline targets of TF-10000, but you can only allocate 20 engineers from the pool due to the ambitious timeline and needs of the TF-35000 project. This is what happened to the TF-6k/10k project. TEI redirected a lot of engineers to the TF-35000 project, which slowed down, especially TF-10000. TF-6000 was nearly done when engineers redirected to the TF-35000 project, but TF-6000 will also see delays because the work on iterative prototypes might slow down. Limited resources, overlapping priorities.

 

[Sanchez]

This timeline becomes plan A when the 110 engines fail to arrive.

Material realities don't care about plans. We saw the first instances of 2035 being iterated by reporters yesterday.

 

[Zafer]

Material realities don't care about plans. We saw the first instances of 2035 being iterated by reporters yesterday.

Will you point to some web resources for such reporting or not.

 

[Oublious]

Today is 9th, was ther a congres men crying about the sanction?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

That's why I said that Türkiye needs to buy more than 80. We simply do not know when TF35K will be ready for use.

 

[Sanchez]

Will you point to some web resources for such reporting or not.

"- At the same time, Turkey is continuing its efforts to develop a completely domestically produced engine. Officials consider a timeline after 2035 to be more realistic in terms of mass production."

CAATSA ve F-35’lerde konuşulan yol haritası

WASHINGTON-Ankara hattında bugün iki ayrı kilit bulunuyor.

www.hurriyet.com.tr

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That's why I said that Türkiye needs to buy more than 80. We simply do not know when TF35K will be ready for use.

40 aircraft for B10-20 are more than enough. We still have 230+ F-16s, upcoming 3 squadrons worth of EFs; as well as KEs and Anka-3. We should remember that F110 is not enough for the actual Kaan we want to build. B10 and B20 are interim solutions.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Is there actually any new information about the 80 F-110 engines, or was it all just lukewarm fart... aaah air from Trump.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Is there actually any new information about the 80 F-110 engines, or was it all just lukewarm fart... aaah air from Trump.

It was announced by the state department it’s a real contract under FMS

 

[MonteCarlo]

Is there actually any new information about the 80 F-110 engines, or was it all just lukewarm fart... aaah air from Trump.

There not being any new information is exactly what we want. The Congress was notified about the sale and they had 15 days to block it. No news means everything going as intented

 

[Zafer]

"- At the same time, Turkey is continuing its efforts to develop a completely domestically produced engine. Officials consider a timeline after 2035 to be more realistic in terms of mass production."

CAATSA ve F-35’lerde konuşulan yol haritası

WASHINGTON-Ankara hattında bugün iki ayrı kilit bulunuyor.

www.hurriyet.com.tr

--

40 aircraft for B10-20 are more than enough. We still have 230+ F-16s, upcoming 3 squadrons worth of EFs; as well as KEs and Anka-3. We should remember that F110 is not enough for the actual Kaan we want to build. B10 and B20 are interim solutions.

Thank you for the link but I don't find it credible. The only explanation to why it can be delayed so much is supply chain problems finding some of the materials in smaller quantities rather than large but this can be remedied by employing alternative methods of making using different technologies. The quality variations should be tolerable.

 

[TR_123456]

That's why I said that Türkiye needs to buy more than 80. We simply do not know when TF35K will be ready for use.

We only need two squadrons of KAAN until 2035,remember we also will have 40 EF's and at least 100 F-16 Özgür.
Should be enough,no?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

We only need two squadrons of KAAN until 2035,remember we also will have 40 EF's and at least 100 F-16 Özgür.
Should be enough,no?

The more the better ;D

 

[TR_123456]

The more the better ;D

We have to be realistic,see what is possible.

 

[Ahlatshah]

There not being any new information is exactly what we want. The Congress was notified about the sale and they had 15 days to block it. No news means everything going as intented

Yes it is, buttery smooth right now. There was an objection from Dina Titus (greek), only got 9 representative backing, all democrats, that is it. Not even attempt in senate

At that point of time, there would be a bipartisan support for engines rather than objection in the Congress, believe it or not. Whoever thinks that Trump likes Erdogan, solely gave these engines to make him happy, I recommend to him think twice. Sure he likes him, leaders' diplomacy is important also: but that kind of strategic shifting can not be explained by love or hate alone, we should all remember for there is no hate or love in international relations, only interests.

We toppled Assad and stabilized Syria, as well as it can be made of course; against all odds, against Russia and Iran. There is a clear dissappointment about Israel and Netanyahu. Also there is growing discomfort in US society about Israeli US relations. For the first time in more than 50 years, US politicians declared that not sponsored by AIPAC, which was a considered an honor a little while ago. And JD Vance, I would say F35 and engines more about him than Trump. Who had been accused of leaking plans to Turkiye by Israelis about Iraqi Kurds during Iran war. We are the only country that stood here a state like a real state, with army, institutions, history and so on. The list can be expanded

Not only us, they want Germany to become strong again. So USA is leaving Europe and middle east and move on to Pacific, for good. TBH, after Syria and PKK, we have no major issue with them, other than Israeli and Greek lobbies.

Sooner or later, by talks or by force, Israel and Greece will understand the reality