TR Propulsion Systems

[Siper>MMU]

The full stack BATU
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Almost identical with Doosan DV27K.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Transmission assembly

 

[Siper>MMU]

Similarities between Doosan and BATU engines. Probably there is ToT. Also BMC sources confirmed Doosan engine procurement.

Of course you cant expect an engine to be very different. But its almost same as Doosan one but different from MTU one.

 

[Nutuk]

Well this is the MTU 883 engine

Considering Turkey needs engines for the Altay (that is already designed) and her older Leopard 2A4 tanks it is obvious that the engine layout size etc. has to be same / similar. So they'd probable look very close too (and of course MTU 883 serves as a good example.

 

[Turko]

Transmission assembly
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Transmission seems totally different from Doosan's transmission.
In doosan power pack , the engine and transmission are parallel. ( MTUs is also same)

But BMC powerpack like" T".

The BMC engine enters into middle of transmission. Sorry my bad english

For instance: original powerpack | |
BMC powerpack. |--


Edit: transmission in the picture appears to be UTKU's.

 

[Zafer]

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Transmission seems totally different from Doosan's transmission.
In doosan power pack , the engine and transmission are parallel. ( MTUs is also same)

But BMC powerpack like" T".

The BMC engine enters into middle of transmission. Sorry my bad english

For instance: original powerpack | |
BMC powerpack. |--

UTKU has orthogonal T connection to the transmission but BATU is laid in parallel.

 

[Cypro]

Tümosan started working for small diesel marine engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1231134741614780416

Tümosan Traktör - 1976'dan Beri Motor ve Traktör Üretim Devi

Ana Sayfa

www.tumosan.com.tr

These guys are not giving up which is good. Competition.

 

[Era_shield]

Similarities between Doosan and BATU engines. Probably there is ToT. Also BMC sources confirmed Doosan engine procurement.
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Of course you cant expect an engine to be very different. But its almost same as Doosan one but different from MTU one.

The CEO of BMC Power already said there's no ToT or foreign assistance for the Batu engine or its transmission.

 

[Zafer]

Of course they will say that. But images doesnt say so.

Osman Dur is not lying.

 

[Test7]

I hope. But we all know sometimes they dont say proper domestic contribution.

There are a few things that are important here.

• Is it technically and physically enough for Altay?
• Can it be integrated into any vehicle under our own control and sold to another country?

if BMC power can achieve this, It doesn't matter what it looks like...

 

[Khagan1923]

It is has to fit Altay, be reliable and work. I don't care if the engine was developed with ToT, if it is a straight copy of the MTU883 or 100% the work of Turkish Engineers.

Does it work, is it reliable, does it fit Altay without problems and will it makes us more independent. Who gives a single fuck about anything else.

People get lost in discussion that in the end don't matter.

Tümosan, TEI and BMC. They can all copy, ToT or develop their projects 100% indigenous as long as the rights belong to Turkey and expand our capabilities as well make us more independent who gives a rat's ass.

I don't care how we arrive at the goal-line as long as we arrive at it.

If the other side plays dirty so can you.

 

[Siper>MMU]

True. Making it even with ToT or copying is hard. That's a success I don't think otherwise. But we are inspecting and arguing you know. If I wasn't noticed that an other guy would notice it. There is no shame in "copying" or ToT.

 

[Yasar_TR]

There are a few things that are important here.

• Is it technically and physically enough for Altay?
• Can it be integrated into any vehicle under our own control and sold to another country?

if BMC power can achieve this, It doesn't matter what it looks like...

İ don’t believe that the likes of Osman Dur will tell “all” the truth. This administration is mad on 100% national/domestic brand.
The likeness of Doosan is so apparent that one has to be blind not to see it that Batu is a good copy of that engine. To do that without infringing on patents and IP rights, Doosan must have agreed to this copying.
But , the important point is:
Can we produce this engine freely and sell it to whoever we want?
If so than it is a locally produced engine, made in Turkey. Who cares how it is produced?
Through this TOT we now have access to technology that is the pinnacle of Diesel engine manufacturing. This will open other avenues for us. Good work done by the BMC engineers! Well done!

 

[Eagleeye]

they have a slight resemblance because they may use parts available on the market such as air filters.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Taken from @boracetkin #883
@Eagleeye
If one cannot see the extensive similarities and how much of it so well copied, than one has to get their eyes tested.
But this does not detract from the fact that this engine is MADE IN TURKEY!

 

[Zafer]

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Taken from @boracetkin #883
@Eagleeye
If one cannot see the extensive similarities and how much of it so well copied, than one has to get their eyes tested.
But this does not detract from the fact that this engine is MADE IN TURKEY!

When I take a close look I see that the parts resembling the Korean engine are also resembling the German engine with the only difference with the tubular side railing. The cylinders on the left end are also one more with the BMC engine than others.

 

[Era_shield]

German MTU 883:

Doosan:

Yet somehow the Doosan isn't a copy. It's only a copy when Turkey's one looks similar.

 

[Combat-Master]

German MTU 883:
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Doosan:
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Yet somehow the Doosan isn't a copy. It's only a copy when Turkey's one looks similar.

Only when it plays to certain types agenda pushing.. ah well...

 

[Zafer]

German exhaust manifold has a rectangular cross section while Korean and Turkish ones have circular.
Would you be making it ellipsoid for the sake of making a difference, I wouldn't.

 

[Yasar_TR]

German MTU 883:
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Doosan:
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Yet somehow the Doosan isn't a copy. It's only a copy when Turkey's one looks similar.

No one has said that here! In fact if you investigate, you will find that the dv27k engine shares a lot of similarities with German engine. It took them over 2 years to crack through German machine and produce DV27K. They may have even used a number of German parts. (which we can not do)
According to Ibrahim Sunnetci, it is based on MTU;
quote:
South Korea managed to develop a domestic powerpack consisting of Doosan Infracore product 1500 hp DV27K diesel engine with a double turbocharger (it is claimed to be based on the German MTU product MT890 series diesel engine)
unquote.
When our Batu start operating and some specs are published I wonder which one of these engines it will be closer to?
Altay itself was produced with TOT from K2 Black Panther. But Altay is a Turkish tank now. It is not quite the same as K2 now. Even the armour is indigenous. It is in my eyes , through and through fully Turkish.
Firtina Artillery was produced with TOT from K9 Thunder. But especially Firtina 2 now is quite a different machine with it’s Aselsan fire control system. That too is a Turkish made weapon.
This engine has to be a copy of the MTU. It has to fit in to and power a tank that was built to accommodate MTU engine.

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