Russia flexes muscle near Japan in show of two-front capability

[xizhimen]

Hitler went all the way to moscow and decimated russian male population, putin cant even enter kiev which is just 100km from border...

What happened to Hitler in the end?

 

[Xenon54]

What happened to Hitler in the end?

He lost the war to western allies and soviets grabbed the east at that opportunity. Also dont forget the significant amoutn of aid by the US to soviets against hitler.
The victory against nazis is not russian archievement, its just russians making it a big deal with the "victory day" each year when in fact stalin killed more russians than hitler could ever dream of...

 

[xizhimen]

He lost the war to western allies and soviets grabbed the east at that opportunity. Also dont forget the significant amoutn of aid by the US to soviets against hitler.
The victory against nazis is not russian archievement, its just russians making it a big deal with the "victory day" each year when in fact stalin killed more russians than hitler could ever dream of...

The west only joined the counter offensive in the very late stage, the west was indeed the opportunists in that war. but this is not we discuss about, the point is about how in the history those who underestimated Russia paid their ultimate price for it.

 

[McCool]

Russian military are a hollow force, after the debacle in Ukraine I don't think anyone would think seriously about Russian military capabilities.

A hypothetical Russo-Japanese war would be fought not on land but in the air and sea. This is clearly an easy job for the Japanese.

Not only the Japanese training are superior, their equipment are much much better than the Russians.

This could be another repeat of the Battle of Tsushima.

 

[McCool]

He lost the war to western allies and soviets grabbed the east at that opportunity. Also dont forget the significant amoutn of aid by the US to soviets against hitler.
The victory against nazis is not russian archievement, its just russians making it a big deal with the "victory day" each year when in fact stalin killed more russians than hitler could ever dream of...

Correct without western support especially the studebakers , Russia would have collapsed.

Kamil Gallev made a very interesting thread on this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505247886908424195

 

[xizhimen]

Russian military are a hollow force, after the debacle in Ukraine I don't think anyone would think seriously about Russian military capabilities.

A hypothetical Russo-Japanese war would be fought not on land but in the air and sea. This is clearly an easy job for the Japanese.

Not only the Japanese training are superior, their equipment are much much better than the Russians.

This could be another repeat of the Battle of Tsushima.

LOL, I wish the Japanese themselves have their cheerleaders' confidence in their capability and initiate action to take their lost northern territories back from Russia, but I think they'll poop their pants even at thought of engaging Russia militarily.

 

[McCool]

LOL, I wish the Japanese themselves have their cheerleaders' confidence in their capability and take their lost northern territories back from Russia, but I think they'll poop their pants even at thought of engaging Russia militarily.

Replace the word Japan with China, then replace the word Northern territories with Taiwan. Same logic lol

 

[xizhimen]

Replace the word Japan with China, then replace the word Northern territories with Taiwan. Same logic lol

Taiwan is also China ( republic of China) what's between PRC and ROC is a continuation of the Chinese civil war, Japan's lost lands are to a foreign power, it's a total different situaion.

 

[McCool]

lets look at the order of battle of each country. Also taking into account the current war in Ukraine which affects the Russian navy as many of their ships are now effectively stuck in the Black sea after Turkey shut down the strait.

Any Russo-Japanese war will most likely be fought in the Northern Pacific between the air and naval forces of the JSDF and the Russian navy Pacific fleet (based in Vladivostok) + VKS detachment in the far East (11th Air and Air Defence Forces Army )

NAVY

Currently the flagship of the Russian navy pacific fleet (Varyag) are stuck in the Med and so does two of its kilo class submarines. Hence the Russian navy only has its 4 old cold war era Udaloy I class DDG classified as large surface combatants available to the immediate area.

Note: Russian Pacific fleet also operate many small corvette which are not classified as large surface combatants.

The Japanese at least could field these large surface combatants:

1. 8 modern AEGIS destroyer (each armed with a whopping 90-96 MK 41 VLS) + 8 canister launched missile
2. 2 modern Asahi DDG ( 32 MK 41 VLS)
3. 4 modern Akizuki DDG (32 MK 41 VLS)
4. 5 Takanami DDG (32 MK 41 VLS)
5. 9 Murasame DDG (16 MK 41 + 16 MK48 VLS)
6. 8 Asagiri class DDG ( 8 MK 141 Harpoon each)

Air Force

The Russian air force (11th Air and Air Defence Forces Army ) has only 4 available fighter squadron available to the immediate area

1. 865th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport (Yelizovo), Kamchatka Oblast)
2. 41st Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Burevestnik, Iturup Island)
3. 528th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Smirnykh, Sakhalin Oblast)
4. 777th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Dolinsk-Sokol, Sakhalin Oblast)

Mostly operating MiG-31s and Su-27/35s

Closest to the Russians are the northern air wing of the JASDF comprising 4x Squadron:

1. 201st Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
2. 203rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
3. 301st Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-35A)
4. 302nd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-35A)

F-35A Baby , try to beat an F-35 in the sky lol

If needed Japan could reinforce its air power with the central and southern air defense force comprising

1. 303rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
2. 306th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
3. 3rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
4. 305th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
5. 6th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
6. 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
7. 204th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
8. 304th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)

For a grand total of 12 frontline combat squadron

its not even a competition, consider the Russian air force are taking heavy beating in Ukraine and being spectacularly incapable of gaining air superiority after a month, suffice to say that the Russians are not going to survive the hot meeting with elite JASDF pilot.

 

[xizhimen]

Moscow halts peace treaty talks with Tokyo on disputed islands following Japan's sanctions​

 

[xizhimen]

lets look at the order of battle of each country. Also taking into account the current war in Ukraine which affects the Russian navy as many of their ships are now effectively stuck in the Black sea after Turkey shut down the strait.

Any Russo-Japanese war will most likely be fought in the Northern Pacific between the air and naval forces of the JSDF and the Russian navy Pacific fleet (based in Vladivostok) + VKS detachment in the far East (11th Air and Air Defence Forces Army )

NAVY

Currently the flagship of the Russian navy pacific fleet (Varyag) are stuck in the Med and so does two of its kilo class submarines. Hence the Russian navy only has its 4 old cold war era Udaloy I class DDG classified as large surface combatants available to the immediate area.

Note: Russian Pacific fleet also operate many small corvette which are not classified as large surface combatants.

The Japanese at least could field these large surface combatants:

1. 8 modern AEGIS destroyer (each armed with a whopping 90-96 MK 41 VLS) + 8 canister launched missile
2. 2 modern Asahi DDG ( 32 MK 41 VLS)
3. 4 modern Akizuki DDG (32 MK 41 VLS)
4. 5 Takanami DDG (32 MK 41 VLS)
5. 9 Murasame DDG (16 MK 41 + 16 MK48 VLS)
6. 8 Asagiri class DDG ( 8 MK 141 Harpoon each)

Air Force

The Russian air force (11th Air and Air Defence Forces Army ) has only 4 available fighter squadron available to the immediate area

1. 865th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport (Yelizovo), Kamchatka Oblast)
2. 41st Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Burevestnik, Iturup Island)
3. 528th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Smirnykh, Sakhalin Oblast)
4. 777th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO (Dolinsk-Sokol, Sakhalin Oblast)

Mostly operating MiG-31s and Su-27/35s

Closest to the Russians are the northern air wing of the JASDF comprising 4x Squadron:

1. 201st Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
2. 203rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
3. 301st Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-35A)
4. 302nd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-35A)

F-35A Baby , try to beat an F-35 in the sky lol

If needed Japan could reinforce its air power with the central and southern air defense force comprising

1. 303rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
2. 306th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
3. 3rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
4. 305th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
5. 6th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
6. 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-2A/B)
7. 204th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)
8. 304th Tactical Fighter Squadron (F-15J/DJ)

For a grand total of 12 frontline combat squadron

its not even a competition, consider the Russian air force are taking heavy beating in Ukraine and being spectacularly incapable of gaining air superiority after a month, suffice to say that the Russians are not going to survive the hot meeting with elite JASDF pilot.

We have a dedicated website for countries matchup on the internet.

Comparison of Russia and Japan Military Strengths (2024)

Comparison of two world military powers in side-by-side format.

www.globalfirepower.com

 

[McCool]

We have a dedicated website for countries matchup on the internet.

Comparison of Russia and Japan Military Strengths (2024)

Comparison of two world military powers in side-by-side format.

www.globalfirepower.com

guys @Nilgiri @Anmdt @Ryder @Manomed

look we have a cl*wn here, citing GFP lol

 

[xizhimen]

guys @Nilgiri @Anmdt @Ryder @Manomed

look we have a cl*wn here, citing GFP lol

You are more like a clown comparing to that study, so is your absurd "self research", not only me, many main media platforms quoted from GFP, how many of them quoted yours?

Most powerful militaries of 2022: US dominates the world, China is 3rd; find out where India ranks​

By CNBCTV18.com | Jan 18, 2022, 05:21

Most powerful militaries of 2022: US dominates the world, China is 3rd; find out where India ranks

The Global Firepower Index uses 50 individual factors to determine a given nation's PowerIndex score with categories ranging from weapon numbers, weapon diversity, natural resources, available industries, manpower, financial stability, logistical capability and geography to determine the ranking

www.cnbctv18.com

 

[McCool]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/nwrek8

 

[xizhimen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/nwrek8

Media channels have their different opinions, but at least they all know GFP and discuss about it and Many main media platforms quoted from GFP, how many of them quoted yours? How can you claim yours is better than GFP? How many of them discuss about your "personal research"?

 

[McCool]

Global Firepower is a military-themed site that specifically claims that its content is “for historical and entertainment value.”

What is Global FirePower?​

Global Firepower is often quoted in various media for its comparative rankings of military strength, but lacks the relative rigor of other databases. For example, more respected global military studies, such as the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Military Balance and Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) databases, track various separate military parameters that include spending, armaments, arms transfers, and so on. Authoritative think tanks are cautious about charting comparative military strength and are open about their methodology, as is the case for example with Heritage Foundation’s “Index of U.S. Military Strength”.

Global Firepower does provide a convenient if self-admittedly not reliable or representative comparison of the world’s militaries. However, what makes Global Firepower rankings a media darling is also on the list of reasons why at least some experts dismiss it (provided they even know it exists).

According to Dakota Wood, Senior Research Fellow, Defense Programs at The Heritage Foundation and editor of the Foundation’s “Index of U.S. Military Strength,” “scholars would accord Globalfirepower.com even less credibility than they do Wikipedia.” When we asked Michael Kofman, Global Fellow and Kennan Institute specializing in Security and Defense, about the site, he noted that “Nobody takes Global Firepower Index seriously.”

Most experts reached for commentary admitted they didn’t know Global Firepower rankings was a thing. Tom Nichols, professor of National Security Affairs at U.S. Naval War College said he “never heard of it or ever seen anything about it”. Michael C Horowitz, professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania and author of The Diffusion of Military Power: Causes and Consequences for International Politics, said:

Ukrainian President Cites Clickbait Ranking in National Address - bellingcat

Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)To highlight the progress that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have made under his command, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has cited a military index created by a clickbait military-themed site without any expert, academic, military or government...

www.bellingcat.com

 

[McCool]

Media channels have their different opinions, but at least they all know GFP and discuss about it and Many main media platforms quoted from GFP, how many of them quoted yours? How can you claim yours is better than GFP? How many of them discuss about your "personal research"?

I think you should just stay with "chinese girlfiriend travelling in china and unexpectedly finds smurf" thread lmao.

 

[xizhimen]

Global Firepower is a military-themed site that specifically claims that its content is “for historical and entertainment value.”

What is Global FirePower?​

Global Firepower is often quoted in various media for its comparative rankings of military strength, but lacks the relative rigor of other databases. For example, more respected global military studies, such as the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Military Balance and Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) databases, track various separate military parameters that include spending, armaments, arms transfers, and so on. Authoritative think tanks are cautious about charting comparative military strength and are open about their methodology, as is the case for example with Heritage Foundation’s “Index of U.S. Military Strength”.

Global Firepower does provide a convenient if self-admittedly not reliable or representative comparison of the world’s militaries. However, what makes Global Firepower rankings a media darling is also on the list of reasons why at least some experts dismiss it (provided they even know it exists).

According to Dakota Wood, Senior Research Fellow, Defense Programs at The Heritage Foundation and editor of the Foundation’s “Index of U.S. Military Strength,” “scholars would accord Globalfirepower.com even less credibility than they do Wikipedia.” When we asked Michael Kofman, Global Fellow and Kennan Institute specializing in Security and Defense, about the site, he noted that “Nobody takes Global Firepower Index seriously.”

Most experts reached for commentary admitted they didn’t know Global Firepower rankings was a thing. Tom Nichols, professor of National Security Affairs at U.S. Naval War College said he “never heard of it or ever seen anything about it”. Michael C Horowitz, professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania and author of The Diffusion of Military Power: Causes and Consequences for International Politics, said:

Ukrainian President Cites Clickbait Ranking in National Address - bellingcat

Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)To highlight the progress that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have made under his command, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has cited a military index created by a clickbait military-themed site without any expert, academic, military or government...

www.bellingcat.com

Different people and media channles have different opinions , it's no normal, all renowned resources will be badmouthed by someones but it doesn't stop them from being quoted in various global major media platforms repeatedly and regularly.
Now , how can you prove that your " personal reseach" is better than GFP?

 

[xizhimen]

I think you should just stay with "chinese girlfiriend travelling china and unexpectedly finds smurf" thread lmao.

Please stop on topic.

 

[McCool]

Different people and media channles have different opinions , it's no normal, all renowned resources will be badmouthed by someones but it doesn't stop them from being quoted in various global major media platforms repeatedly and regularly.
Now , how can you prove that your " personal reseach" is better than GFP?

the readers in defence hub can decide for themselves.