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Is this new? An AESA synthetic aperture radar pod from Aselsan, I don't remember seeing this before but my memory is terrible.
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Btw, English in this brochure is appalling, they really need to get some that actually speaks English.
 

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Is this new? An AESA synthetic aperture radar pod from Aselsan, I don't remember seeing this before but my memory is terrible. View attachment 68358


Btw, English in this brochure is appalling, they really need to get some that actually speaks English.

"ASELSAN's internally funded project, the X-Band Active Phased Array AESA SAR Pod, is preparing for its first flight test. The first flight test of the AESA SAR Pod is planned to be conducted in 2022. The goal is to provide manned and unmanned aerial vehicles, which are involved in intelligence, reconnaissance, and surveillance activities, with a lighter and more compact SAR solution. The AESA SAR Pod, which can be used on all platforms capable of carrying MAM-L munitions, will also be integrable with other radars on the platform it is integrated into. Following the flight tests planned to start in 2022, the product is expected to be ready for use in 2023, aiming towards procurement planning."

 

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"ASELSAN's internally funded project, the X-Band Active Phased Array AESA SAR Pod, is preparing for its first flight test. The first flight test of the AESA SAR Pod is planned to be conducted in 2022. The goal is to provide manned and unmanned aerial vehicles, which are involved in intelligence, reconnaissance, and surveillance activities, with a lighter and more compact SAR solution. The AESA SAR Pod, which can be used on all platforms capable of carrying MAM-L munitions, will also be integrable with other radars on the platform it is integrated into. Following the flight tests planned to start in 2022, the product is expected to be ready for use in 2023, aiming towards procurement planning."

Thanks mate, I had completely missed this one, wonder what happened to it.
 

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Is there any info on theorized fully passive IRST+IIR missile firing solution. And it's range against an F-35 or better stealth targets like wider spectrum, newer stealth tech of 6th generation B-21 Raider?

Also is there any info on starting a completely separate and completely passive (as in undetectable from air and satellites by completely hiding in dense forests except their IIR camera masts) Turkish IRNET project that gives us another layer of protection against western stealth systems even if our RADNET is destroyed by them using cutting edge DEAD?

Interesting article:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA566304.pdf
It is not theorized it is one of the requirements. Creating a precise firing solution for a missile with several(3) IRSTs is possible and it is not limited to IIR missiles. You need azimuth, elevation and range data to create a firing solution. A single IRST can only provide the first 2 unless you are close enough to tag the target with a laser range finder but when you combine 3 IRST data with sensor fusion you can get a firing solution without such a limitation. Once you get a firing solution you can use it for IIR or RF missiles and continuously update the missile with a datalink. 100+km range is possible in optimal conditions. Note that finding a target is difficult with an IRST it is like looking at sky with a pipe but if you know roughly where to look(L band early warning radars and ESM systems come in handy) or if several eyes work together odds will increase.

RADNET will evolve into a mesh based system instead of a centralized architecture so destroying it will be really hard and I don't think an IRNET can replace it as this will need a herculean effort to cover all of Turkiye.
 
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Where are the 6 IR cameras of KAAN located in the picture? And what is the resolution of 360 day and night cameras compared to F-35
Is MWIS same as MWIR ?

Is F-35 EOTS e Aselsan EOTS comparable?
As far as I saw from very little amount of videos they showed aselsan has very outdated zoom technology and only can see the amount of detail F-35 can see from 90km at most from 20km -30km or so. Nikon handheld cameras have better zoom and they cost like 1000 bucks not 1 million dollars.



https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-a...-the-resolution-of-day-view-through-the-plane
MWIS is short for Mid Wave Infrared System. It is the same thing as the DAS(with a better sensor 640p vs 720p). The picture shows a single camera of the MWIS. It will be placed all around the aircraft and it is also an infrared-based missile warning system on top of being a 360 degree infrared search&surveillance system.
 
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I was really hoping you would say something similar to a mini mobese network, an AI controlled IR camera network or a mesh network is being developed :(

Putting all our eggs in ground or air based RADAR basket, that west excels in destroying, seems suicidal.
Unlike RADNET, IRNET would be virtually indestructible as long as it is just a tiny camera mast peeking out of the forest.

What if we lose our easy to detect RADNET just like Iraq, Libya etc. lost and now even the mighty Russia is losing theirs slowly but steadily against tiny Ukraine even with very limited western support.

It would be 100 times worse when we finally have to face Greece, entire Europe, etc. because of 12 miles casus belli.
Or even America due to Israel or PKKistan they are about to declare on our borders any day now with fait accompli PKK state elections.


I hope at least a few thousand IR cameras will be installed it is not that expensive or hard. But then again if I know America they will hack our systems and will find location of each mast even before first bullet is fired. So perhaps a thousand civilian pickups with EO cameras and sungur missiles would be more prudent than military installations/vehicles that scream please destroy me.
 
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Highlights:

ALP-500G SEİRS is confirmed to be more potent than ALP-300G TEİRS, just as I predicted. ALP-500G will be critical for our future BMD capabilities.
CENK-200N, aka mini-CENK isn't only a thing but will be exported to an Asian country
SİPER's FCR AKRREP-1000G can be regarded as having quite a range judging by its size compared to our naval FCRs
 

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Highlights:

ALP-500G SEİRS is confirmed to be more potent than ALP-300G TEİRS, just as I predicted. ALP-500G will be critical for our future BMD capabilities.
CENK-200N, aka mini-CENK isn't only a thing but will be exported to an Asian country
SİPER's FCR AKRREP-1000G can be regarded as having quite a range judging by its size compared to our naval FCRs
AKREP-1000G doesn't have 1000 km range nor scalable to the AKREP-N family. AKREP-1000G is a MFR. AKREP-N family is not a MFR, nor AESA but sector scanning radar.

CENK-200 is possibly MAR-D B2. If one carefully reads the report he may also see CENK 200 is mentioned to be produced, integrated and going through delivery FAT. So it is not downscaled version of CENK-S.
 

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AKREP-1000G is listed as the FCR on the report and ALP-100G (ALP) is listed as the multi-functional radar seperately. AKREP is ASELSAN's standard designation for all FCRs from now on. And no, I don't recall saying "AKREP-1000G will have 1000 km range" but I was pointing out to the fact that it should be ahead of current AKREP-N family for both current and future SİPER missiles.

STR is the standard designation for weapon locating radars SERHAT and SURALP.
MURAD is for combat aircraft radars
CENK seemingly for the shipborne search radars from now on
ALP for ground-based search or multi-function radars


And yes, the new naming system for radars is totally better than trying to play wordgames every damn month.
 
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AKREP-1000G is listed as the FCR on the report and ALP-100G (ALP) is listed as the multi-functional radar seperately. AKREP is ASELSAN's standard designation for all FCRs from now on. And no, I don't recall saying "AKREP-1000G will have 1000 km range" but I was pointing out to the fact that it should be ahead of current AKREP-N family for both current and future SİPER missiles.

Even though AKREP-1000G is specialized in fire control for SIPER AD, it also has a search function for emergencies. Hence, it is MFR in the end along with being FCR.
 

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I was really hoping you would say something similar to a mini mobese network, an AI controlled IR camera network or a mesh network is being developed :(

Putting all our eggs in ground or air based RADAR basket, that west excels in destroying, seems suicidal.
Unlike RADNET, IRNET would be virtually indestructible as long as it is just a tiny camera mast peeking out of the forest.

What if we lose our easy to detect RADNET just like Iraq, Libya etc. lost and now even the mighty Russia is losing theirs slowly but steadily against tiny Ukraine even with very limited western support.

It would be 100 times worse when we finally have to face Greece, entire Europe, etc. because of 12 miles casus belli.
Or even America due to Israel or PKKistan they are about to declare on our borders any day now with fait accompli PKK state elections.


I hope at least a few thousand IR cameras will be installed it is not that expensive or hard. But then again if I know America they will hack our systems and will find location of each mast even before first bullet is fired. So perhaps a thousand civilian pickups with EO cameras and sungur missiles would be more prudent than military installations/vehicles that scream please destroy me.
This has a short range. It is impossible to cover all of Turkiye with this. Critical facilities might be covered with this kind of sensor. If a radar is shown as a circle on a map this is shown as a dot. How many dots do you need to fill a circle? What happens when the weather is bad?
 
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To determine how many 16 km diameter circles (range of sungur is 8 km) would be needed to cover the surface area of Turkey (785,350 sq km), we can calculate the area of a single 16 km diameter circle and then divide Turkey's total area by that value.
  • Radius of a 16 km diameter circle = 16 km / 2 = 8 km
  • Area of a single 16 km diameter circle = π * r^2 = 3.14 * (8 km)^2 = 201.06 sq km
Now we divide Turkey's total area by the area of a single circle:
  • 785,350 sq km / 201.06 sq km per circle = 3,906 circles

    3906 trucks covers pretty much everything, we won't need that. 1000 or so IR EO systems on civilian looking vehicles will suffice to cover populated areas a few times over. Like I said earlier. Ukraine was spending, 500 MANPADs each day. So we will need several tens of thousands of spare SUNGUR MANPADs anyway. Still even that won't last long, and they are not that deadly to begin with, but it is better than the alternative. Which is throwing rocks like Gazans, Libyans, Taliban or Iraqis did once west destroy our location announcing radar network. They finish off DEAD missions in a few months at most. Then we are slaves to them on our own country once again. But if we prepare a night vision IR manpad network IRNET these lands will never be safe for them to fly over. If they can't ever fly over safely they can't colonize.
 

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Its time to research adaptive radars and more difficult on cognitive electronic CM.I hope hava soj would not become outdated if it is not have cognitive ECM,so we have to get 2 in near time but remaining 2 should have cognitive ECM.If Alp series radars get two switch one is peace time and the other is war time it would become a beginning on adaptive radars.In my opinion you can not research adaptive radar in Türkiye because someones can monitor our airspace witgh ED systems,so we have to make this research on Africa.When we get land based adaptive radars you can scale to surface platforms and air platforms.We also have to search on missiles like Atmaca and çakır on coıunter ECM.We have to work also on L band radars,altough S band is a good spectrum.
 

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AKREP-1000G is listed as the FCR on the report and ALP-100G (ALP) is listed as the multi-functional radar seperately. AKREP is ASELSAN's standard designation for all FCRs from now on. And no, I don't recall saying "AKREP-1000G will have 1000 km range" but I was pointing out to the fact that it should be ahead of current AKREP-N family for both current and future SİPER missiles.

STR is the standard designation for weapon locating radars SERHAT and SURALP.
MURAD is for combat aircraft radars
CENK seemingly for the shipborne search radars from now on
ALP for ground-based search or multi-function radars


And yes, the new naming system for radars is totally better than trying to play wordgames every damn month.
What i am trying to tell is that akrep-1000G has literally nothing to do with akrep-n in terms of technology or properties. Akrep-1000G is an X band MFR that can illuminate, track and establish missile data links while ALP-100G is an S band radar.
 

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ASELSAN has started development work on the ALP-500G Fixed Early Warning Radar System (SEIRS), the largest member of the early warning radars to date.

The development of the ALP-500G fixed early warning radar is included in Aselsan's Annual Report.

ALP-500G is more than just a radar, it stands out as an integrated sensor solution with its own building and dome radome infrastructure, which will be designed and manufactured indigenously for the first time.

GaN-based radar ALP-500G will be far superior to existing radars in terms of detection range and performance.


2023 Annual Report published in May 2024 :

 
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To determine how many 16 km diameter circles (range of sungur is 8 km) would be needed to cover the surface area of Turkey (785,350 sq km), we can calculate the area of a single 16 km diameter circle and then divide Turkey's total area by that value.
  • Radius of a 16 km diameter circle = 16 km / 2 = 8 km
  • Area of a single 16 km diameter circle = π * r^2 = 3.14 * (8 km)^2 = 201.06 sq km
Now we divide Turkey's total area by the area of a single circle:
  • 785,350 sq km / 201.06 sq km per circle = 3,906 circles

    3906 trucks covers pretty much everything, we won't need that. 1000 or so IR EO systems on civilian looking vehicles will suffice to cover populated areas a few times over. Like I said earlier. Ukraine was spending, 500 MANPADs each day. So we will need several tens of thousands of spare SUNGUR MANPADs anyway. Still even that won't last long, and they are not that deadly to begin with, but it is better than the alternative. Which is throwing rocks like Gazans, Libyans, Taliban or Iraqis did once west destroy our location announcing radar network. They finish off DEAD missions in a few months at most. Then we are slaves to them on our own country once again. But if we prepare a night vision IR manpad network IRNET these lands will never be safe for them to fly over. If they can't ever fly over safely they can't colonize.
Every circle will have at least 2 better 3 sensors to achieve healthy triangulation inside the circle and circles will probably intersect each other to some degree so 3906x3= 11718 sensors will be needed. Now you need to combine this into a network you need a huge data transfer capability and an insane processing power which means a big central processing hub. It is a good system to cover critical facilities but it is not a substitute for a radar network.
 

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Every circle will have at least 2 better 3 sensors to achieve healthy triangulation inside the circle and circles will probably intersect each other to some degree so 3906x3= 11718 sensors will be needed. Now you need to combine this into a network you need a huge data transfer capability and an insane processing power which means a big central processing hub. It is a good system to cover critical facilities but it is not a substitute for a radar network.
Entire west vs Russia drone war is enabled by $200 drones from freakin Alibaba.

We don't need NATO compliance to fight NATO or to cover farmlands, mountains, forests like I said. 1000 IR night vision cameras cost $65.000.

Networking them might not be smart anyway. That is sameas screaming come and kill us to a foe as high tech as USA. Not so different from radars doing the same. Also with civilian trucks you can adjust your coverage daily without getting spotted.

Cameras with simple motion sensors sweeping the skies with a $1electric motor. Keep it simple. If houthis and PKK can do it with Iranian 358 missiles, why not aselsan or Turkish nation? I really dislike the classic Turkish response, WE CAN'T. If there is will and intelligence, then there is always a way.

 

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Highlights:

ALP-500G SEİRS is confirmed to be more potent than ALP-300G TEİRS, just as I predicted. ALP-500G will be critical for our future BMD capabilities.
CENK-200N, aka mini-CENK isn't only a thing but will be exported to an Asian country
SİPER's FCR AKRREP-1000G can be regarded as having quite a range judging by its size compared to our naval FCRs

ASELSAN has started development work on the ALP-500G Fixed Early Warning Radar System (SEIRS), the largest member of the early warning radars to date.

The development of the ALP-500G fixed early warning radar is included in Aselsan's Annual Report.

ALP-500G is more than just a radar, it stands out as an integrated sensor solution with its own building and dome radome infrastructure, which will be designed and manufactured indigenously for the first time.

GaN-based radar ALP-500G will be far superior to existing radars in terms of detection range and performance.


2023 Annual Report published in May 2024 :


Are we finally making equivalent of Kürecik's radar AKA AN/TPY-2? This would put Aselsan to whole another league that Afaik No European country has developed equivalent. Only US, Russia and China has these kind of technology in their disposal.
 

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Entire west vs Russia drone war is enabled by $200 drones from freakin Alibaba.

We don't need NATO compliance to fight NATO or to cover farmlands, mountains, forests like I said. 1000 IR night vision cameras cost $65.000.

Networking them might not be smart anyway. That is sameas screaming come and kill us to a foe as high tech as USA. Not so different from radars doing the same. Also with civilian trucks you can adjust your coverage daily without getting spotted.

Cameras with simple motion sensors sweeping the skies with a $1electric motor. Keep it simple. If houthis and PKK can do it with Iranian 358 missiles, why not aselsan or Turkish nation? I really dislike the classic Turkish response, WE CAN'T. If there is will and intelligence, then there is always a way.

This is such a wrong take that I don't know where to start. You just can't use average Alibaba IR cameras as an IRST. You can't use 1$ electric motors for precision tracking and stabilization. FLIRs cost 1 million $ and there are good reasons for it.
 

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