TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[Turkic]

In this video, Haluk Görgün says that KAAN has to process 20 Gigabits of data from its radar each second.

Can we have range/resolution predicts based on this info ? I couldn't find anything to compare on the internet. I'd be glad if someone can tell us how good our radar will be.

 

[Afif]

Can we have range/resolution predicts based on this info ?

Very likely not.

I'd be glad if someone can tell us how good our radar will be.

Officially, we don't have any statement on the range performance of MURAD let alone BUFRIS. However, few months ago Temel Kotil stated, Hurjet will have indeginous radar with 200km range. Which will likely be MURAD-100A. the same one as F16 Ozgur. (MURAD and BUFRIS will use the same T/R modules. And will had commonality in software) We can do some speculation from here.

Here are few very simplified formula given by AESA radar calculator's developer to calculate range and resolution.

If you increase the peak power of T/R modules from 30w to 60w, it will only increases the range by 19%. (To increase the range by 100% you need to increase the peak power up to 16 times.)

((1000/1000)^3*(60/30))^(1/4)

=1.19

However, considering everything is same, if you increase the numbers of T/R modules two times, you will get increase in range by 68%. That's why additional T/R modules matters.

(2000/1000)^3*(30/30))^(1/4)

=1.68

Now, even with a conservative estimate, Let's say, Hurjet's radar 200km range is meant to be against 5m2 RCS target. BUFRIS having 2000 T/R modules means increase in range would be 50%.

(2000/1156)^3*(30/30))^(1/4)

=1.50

That means, 300km detection range for BUFRIS's frontal aperture against 5m2 RCS target.

However, MURAD-100A will have PRF limited to 150KHz. Given BUFRIS will have more than enough of electric power & processing capability available to it, if we increase PRF of MURAD-600A to 300KHz. The range performance against 5m2 RCS target will increase quite a bit. All in all, we estimate around 250km detection range against 1m2 target. (Keep in mind, we are talking about single Beam cued search. Not multi-beam volume search)

As for angular resolution, it depends on beamwidth. Which can be roughly calculated based on this formula. (By dividing 100 by the square root of number of TRM.)

100/44.7= 2.23. (44.7 is the square root of 2000)

(One thing to keep in mind, real life beamwidth could be even narrower given superior antenna gain technology)

 

[hugh]

Can we have range/resolution predicts based on this info ? I couldn't find anything to compare on the internet. I'd be glad if someone can tell us how good our radar will be.

This quote is from the "Communications" section of the "AESA Radar: Revolutionary Capabilities for Multiple Missions"(page 7).

"Researchers demonstrated the transfer of a 72 megabyte synthetic aperture radar image in 3.5 seconds at a data rate of 274 megabytes per second (mbps). By comparison, the transfer would take 48 minutes on today’s standard Link 16. Company researchers ultimately demonstrated laboratory transmission rates of 548 mbps using the F-22 radar array—and received data rates of up to 1 gigabyte per second."

1 Gigabyte is equivalent to 8 Gigabit.

http://ael.cbnu.ac.kr/lectures/graduate/antenna-engineering/lab-14-planar-antenna-array/%EA%B3%B5%EB%B6%80%EC%9E%90%EB%A3%8C-aesa-radar.pdf

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867905857255886997

I didn't see this one posted. Aselsan sharing flights testing murad

 

[hugh]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867905857255886997

I didn't see this one posted. Aselsan sharing flights testing murad

the radar footage is old though

 

[TheInsider]

In this video, Haluk Görgün says that KAAN has to process 20 Gigabits of data from its radar each second.

I don't know if it was posted before but I thought it's worth sharing.

That is 2.5 gigabytes per second. A single PCIE 5.0 lane can transport 3.94 gigabytes per second. It is big for military systems but it is not as big as it sounds in the civilian realm.

 

[Sanchez]

We finally have a brochure for Murad 100-A. Machine translated via Google.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869267782610882803

 

[Turkic]

Aselsan 40 milyon dolar yatırımla 7 bin metrekarelik elektro-optik tesisi açtı - Patronlar Dünyası

Aselsan, 40 milyon dolarlık yatırımla yeni 7 bin metrekarelik elektro-optik tesisi açılışını duyurdu. Açıklamada gelecek 3 yıl içerisinde tesise 30 milyon dolar daha yatırım yapılmasının planlandığı belirtildi.

www.patronlardunyasi.com

Aselsan's new flir production base opened. No lack of flirs for TAI and Baykar anymore.

 

[Shtr]

Is there any number regarding production rate?

 

[TheInsider]

Is there any number regarding production rate?

My educated guess is a production capacity of 200-220 FLIRS per year, 16-18 per month. 30 million additional investment will probably add 80-100 additional yearly capacity but of course this won't be a facility that only produces FLIRS there will be EOTS, Aselpod, IRST, DAS etc.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

That is 2.5 gigabytes per second. A single PCIE 5.0 lane can transport 3.94 gigabytes per second. It is big for military systems but it is not as big as it sounds in the civilian realm.

That's true, but military systems are designed for stability and absolute security; they must function within their parameters in extreme situations at all costs. There is no wiggle room when component XY causes a blue screen of death in the system and the system simply reboots. For this reason, many industrial or military systems, such as ships, satellite systems, aircraft, and other weapons systems, do not always use the latest components. However, some of these chips that are built into the motherboard hardware are 80-90s hardware that is simply rock solid, e.g. controller chips, I/O, backup system, etc.. The reason for this is that these chips are well documented as to what their weaknesses are and how to work around them. Newer chips like SoC's or components or Interfaces for I/O like PCIe 5.0 simply do not have this extensive documentation in Military Standard, so "trial and error" is the order of the day.

 

[Turkic]

Aselsan'a 58,6 milyon dolarlık sipariş

Aselsan Elektronik Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. Türk Devletleri Teşkilatı üyesi bir ülkeden sipariş aldığını duyurdu.

www.bloomberght.com

Aselsan signed 58,6 million dollar for electro-optic and communication systems with an OTS member state. Not as sub-systems but direct product sell.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871803979652284685

 

[Fuzuli NL]

We are achieving a significant capacity increase with the FLIR production facility, which was established with an investment of 40 Million USD. The facility, which was commissioned to respond to increasing demand, will manufacture electro-optic systems developed for aircraft, primarily the ASELFLIR, TOYGUN and KARAT systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871880836250775790

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871119643525501250

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871882711666680250

"In my opinion, one of the most critical systems that entered the Turkish Armed Forces inventory in 2024 was ALP 300-G. The fact that the ALP 300-G, an AESA radar, can detect and track air-breathing targets (fighter planes, helicopters, UAVs, cruise missiles...) as well as ballistic missiles, was one of the most important achievements for the Air Force during the year."