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[Zafer]

It is nice to see that Baykar is using DeltaV equipment and not developing their own and wasting efforts.

 

[Osman]

I wrote in wrong place. Sorry. Can be deleted

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Fighter_35]

What is mahu?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

What is mahu?

Milli Askeri Haberleşme Uydusu (MAHU)
Bölgesel Konumlama ve zamanlama Sistemi (BKZS)

 

[Enderun]

The latest image of our Imece Satellite.

 

[Enderun]

 

[dBSPL]

New era in space exploration: Life and work on the Moon will begin for mankind in the 2030s

NASA announced its goals after the Artemis lunar exploration program launched last week. NASA, which does not want to stop with taking people to the Moon, wants people to be able to live on the Moon from the end of 2020s.

After 50 years, the American Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) has launched Artemis, the follow-up to Apollo's lunar exploration program. On November 16, NASA launched the SLS (Space Launch System) rocket, currently the most powerful space rocket in the world, carrying the Orion spacecraft on the Artemis 1 mission.

Howard Hu, who is in charge of the Orion spacecraft, told the BBC that it was an incredible feeling to watch the launch of the SLS rocket, saying, "This is the first step we have taken into long-term deep space exploration, not only for the United States but for the world."

Stating that they will send astronauts to the Moon if the first step is successful, Hu said that they are working for people to live on the Moon until 2030: "We will send people to the surface. They will live on Moon and conduct scientific studies."

Launched on November 16, the Orion capsule contains three lifeless mannequins. A mannequin named General Moonikin Campos is in command of the spacecraft. In addition to Moonikin Campos, there are two other mannequins, Helga and Zohar. Thanks to these lifelike models, NASA will be able to measure the amount of radiation astronauts will be exposed to on their journey to and from the Moon in the future.

Orion, which sets off with a total of 24 cameras, is expected to land in the Pacific Ocean on December 11. NASA President Bill Nelson says the SLS is the most powerful rocket in the world. Nelson, who made statements about the mission in March, when the rocket was carried to the launch pad, said: "This is the only rocket that can send humans into deep space right now. It is the most powerful rocket in the world. Orion will go farther than any spacecraft that has ever flown humans, any spacecraft built for humans. It will stay in space longer than any spacecraft designed for astronauts."

some related news link for further readings:

Humans could be living on the Moon by 2030, Nasa says

The head of Nasa's Orion lunar spacecraft programme has said humans could be active on the Moon for “durations” before 2030.

eandt.theiet.org

The Artemis plan: Why NASA sees the moon as a stepping stone to Mars

The Artemis 1 mission will kickstart the next era of crewed space exploration.

www.space.com

Astronauts to live and work on the moon by 2030, Nasa official says

Head of Orion lunar programme says Artemis 1 mission is ‘first step to long-term deep-space exploration’

www.theguardian.com

Artemis: Nasa ready to launch new era of Moon exploration

The clock is counting down to the debut flight of the rocket that will eventually send people back to the Moon.

www.bbc.com

Why space exploration is vital to humanity: NASA's former chief scientist | World Economic Forum

Okay, let's skip the tabloid stuff and the scientific sides and the benefits to mankind: The US is creating a permanent settlement on the Moon. Or rather, it is trying to lead this new era. This will have a wide range of political and economic consequences.

It can be underlined that an effort to realize how important the TUA's lunar vision is here and to catch this new era, even if from the last wagon. Achieving the goal of a soft landing on the Moon will pave the way for Turkiye to gain a foothold in collective space exploration in the decades to come, as well as pave the way for Turkiye to embark on manned missions that it will want to carry out with its own resources. If we had taken this step later, we would have been too late for being in first colonizing waves.

States without independent access to space, states that will not be able to conduct independent scientific studies on the lunar surface and later in deep space, will have to remain as passive and dependent states of the next era.

TUA's current activities, including the hard lunar landing and subsequent soft landings, and the current and near-term level of propulsion and rocket systems, would be extremely modest for most states with a developed space industry. However, with a well-designed strategy of 10-15 years, each initial step will create a more specific and advanced field of study and workforce, and in the medium term, even if we lag behind, we can be a country that has gained independent access to space and moon when the first colonizations begin.

 

[Zafer]

New era in space exploration: Life and work on the Moon will begin for mankind in the 2030s

NASA announced its goals after the Artemis lunar exploration program launched last week. NASA, which does not want to stop with taking people to the Moon, wants people to be able to live on the Moon from the end of 2020s.

After 50 years, the American Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) has launched Artemis, the follow-up to Apollo's lunar exploration program. On November 16, NASA launched the SLS (Space Launch System) rocket, currently the most powerful space rocket in the world, carrying the Orion spacecraft on the Artemis 1 mission.

Howard Hu, who is in charge of the Orion spacecraft, told the BBC that it was an incredible feeling to watch the launch of the SLS rocket, saying, "This is the first step we have taken into long-term deep space exploration, not only for the United States but for the world."

Stating that they will send astronauts to the Moon if the first step is successful, Hu said that they are working for people to live on the Moon until 2030: "We will send people to the surface. They will live on Moon and conduct scientific studies."

Launched on November 16, the Orion capsule contains three lifeless mannequins. A mannequin named General Moonikin Campos is in command of the spacecraft. In addition to Moonikin Campos, there are two other mannequins, Helga and Zohar. Thanks to these lifelike models, NASA will be able to measure the amount of radiation astronauts will be exposed to on their journey to and from the Moon in the future.

Orion, which sets off with a total of 24 cameras, is expected to land in the Pacific Ocean on December 11. NASA President Bill Nelson says the SLS is the most powerful rocket in the world. Nelson, who made statements about the mission in March, when the rocket was carried to the launch pad, said: "This is the only rocket that can send humans into deep space right now. It is the most powerful rocket in the world. Orion will go farther than any spacecraft that has ever flown humans, any spacecraft built for humans. It will stay in space longer than any spacecraft designed for astronauts."

some related news link for further readings:

Humans could be living on the Moon by 2030, Nasa says

The head of Nasa's Orion lunar spacecraft programme has said humans could be active on the Moon for “durations” before 2030.

eandt.theiet.org

The Artemis plan: Why NASA sees the moon as a stepping stone to Mars

The Artemis 1 mission will kickstart the next era of crewed space exploration.

www.space.com

Astronauts to live and work on the moon by 2030, Nasa official says

Head of Orion lunar programme says Artemis 1 mission is ‘first step to long-term deep-space exploration’

www.theguardian.com

Artemis: Nasa ready to launch new era of Moon exploration

The clock is counting down to the debut flight of the rocket that will eventually send people back to the Moon.

www.bbc.com

Why space exploration is vital to humanity: NASA's former chief scientist | World Economic Forum

Okay, let's skip the tabloid stuff and the scientific sides and the benefits to mankind: The US is creating a permanent settlement on the Moon. Or rather, it is trying to lead this new era. This will have a wide range of political and economic consequences.

It can be underlined that an effort to realize how important the TUA's lunar vision is here and to catch this new era, even if from the last wagon. Achieving the goal of a soft landing on the Moon will pave the way for Turkiye to gain a foothold in collective space exploration in the decades to come, as well as pave the way for Turkiye to embark on manned missions that it will want to carry out with its own resources. If we had taken this step later, we would have been too late for being in first colonizing waves.

States without independent access to space, states that will not be able to conduct independent scientific studies on the lunar surface and later in deep space, will have to remain as passive and dependent states of the next era.

TUA's current activities, including the hard lunar landing and subsequent soft landings, and the current and near-term level of propulsion and rocket systems, would be extremely modest for most states with a developed space industry. However, with a well-designed strategy of 10-15 years, each initial step will create a more specific and advanced field of study and workforce, and in the medium term, even if we lag behind, we can be a country that has gained independent access to space and moon when the first colonizations begin.

If we can find more R&D money we can make strides.

 

[fire starter]

If will can find more R&D money we can make strides.

Nope money alone doesn't matter in strategic sectors.

 

[Zafer]

Nope money alone doesn't matter in strategic sectors.

I simply omitted to include in my post the fact that we have a burgeoning space sector and we are raising the people to make it happen. We are even buying information packages from other nations. We even have a growing defense sector to go along with it. We practically have everything in place poised to make a jump. We only need to try harder and spend more with a more ambitious space program. Even the required money can be found when we look harder to extract oil and gas.

 

[fire starter]

I simply omitted to include in my post the fact that we have a burgeoning space sector and we are raising the people to make it happen. We are even buying information packages from other nations. We even have a growing defense sector to go along with it. We practically have everything in place poised to make a jump. We only need to try harder and spend more with a more ambitious space program. Even the required money can be found when we look harder to extract oil and gas.

Even if u spend more still you cannot compress the timeline in space projects unlike defence sector. A slow and steady start is always great.

 

[Zafer]

Even if u spend more still you cannot compress the timeline in space projects unlike defence sector. A slow and steady start is always great.

We have the late entrant advantage here, we know what worked and what didn't looking at the stories of other players. If we can afford to experiment more we can get to a position where we will have caught up with our pier nations in terms of resources or even better as it gets cheaper to do stuff now then ever before with the advent of additive manifacturing and advanced materials. We are doing space stuff at 1 to 9 cost ratio between us and others other than India, they have 1 to 20 ratio.

 

[Zafer]

I the space sector what Turkiye needs to do is to move fast until we can launch satellites to Geostationary orbit which means we need 50 meter high 400 ton launch vehicles with around 2.8 - 3 meter diameter.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Şimsek space rocker family roadway

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596089498781237248

 

[Agha Sher]

Şimsek space rocker family roadway

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596089498781237248

These timelines are disappointing. Turkiye must do things related to space faster. There is no time to waste. Maybe the solution is to partner up with Azerbaijan, Qatar, KSA, Malaysia and/or Indonesia to create a space program with enough financial backing and human resources. Indonesia is also perfectly located for launch, while R&D and subcomponent production could be based in Turkiye, Malaysia etc.

We are at the onset of the age of space colonization. The countries who fall behind in this race will be doomed, just like the nations who failed to participate in discovering new lands on earth (read Ottomans).

NASA is planning to start mining on the Moon in early 2030s. China probably in mid-2030s (both potentially subject to delays).

Turkiye and her alliance must aim to establish moon bases and mining stations in early 2040s the latest.

Therefore, the ambition should be;

1) 400kg to 550km orbit by 2025
2) 1.5t to 700km by 2027
3) manned spaceflights starting 2030
4) manned moon mission starting 2040
5) manned mars mission starting 2045

I know this is very ambitious with tight deadlines. But it has to be done in order for Turkiye and the Muslim world to not fall behind in this race. Maybe an acquisition of a small launch company could help kickstart things e.g. Firefly for example. (If the US government approves)

Personally, I have high hopes for Baykar to surprise us on the topic of space. Hopefully they can help accelerate things as well.

 

[Zafer]

Şimsek space rocker family roadway

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596089498781237248

So the rocket rocks !

 

[Zafer]

Do you guys remember my post a couple days ago about where space capabilities of Türkiye needs to improve nonstop towards, like 50m high and 400 ton launch rockets to get to Geostationary orbit. Now they finally spit it out "yer eş zamanlı yörünge" which will be achieved with Şimşek-3. Seems like my words were heard.

 

[Zafer]

Not really ambitious.

Technology improves exponentially.

It only depends on a steady flow of high dollars into this field.
With cooperation of several countries headed by Türkiye this kind of a timeline can happen.
It takes a keen leadership though which we don't lack any.

 

[Rodeo]

Trust me, in some years you will be saying the same as your countryman below.

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I don't think TUA can overtake ISRO in the next two decades, if ever.