Live Conflict Syria Civil War

[Lool]

Omg
That would be a massive news

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885610515440804153

 

[Sanchez]

Thus, it would be the epitome of foolishness to protect Ocalan

You are speaking on hypotheticals when we have the history to look to. After Turkey threatened war with Syria over Syria's basing of PKK and Öcalan, he first moved to Russia where he was granted asylum. He was invited by Greek MPs to Greece, but chose to go to Italy instead. Both Germany and Turkey had arrest warrants on him and Germans requested that he be given to them, but Germany was unwilling to trial him in Germany, they wanted a 3rd unrelated European country, fearing from the Kurdish diaspora in Germany. Italy denied Turkey's extradition request citing UNCAT and Turkey having death penalty. So he was sent back to Russia to get themselves rid of him, who sent him back to Greece. Dutch didn't accept him so he went back to Greece, from which he went to Kenya. He was later apprehended in a Greek intelligence fiasco by a joint team of MİT and CIA in Nairobi. Americans were right there with us, some say it was Americans that handled all the operation and just handed him to us, though this is without any proofs.

What I'm trying to say is that plenty of countries, allied countries in fact did help Öcalan against us.

How does Ocalan know of such powers when he was jailed since 1999?

He reads.

This has similarity with the FETO incident in which the FETO leader escaped to the US in order to get protected from Turkey

Gülen didn't "escape" Turkey. He cited his health reasons to board a plane to US and never came back.

 

[Anastasius]

@Lool

This is no bait and switch! It is either you cant understand or dont want to understand to keep believing your fantasy

Bro, you literally changed your claim on the fly.

Sure that theory is applicable when you have a "true" democracy and not a sham planned by the West

And what exactly makes Ukraine's democracy "a sham planned by the West"? Your imagination?

Idk what is hard to cmprehend about "the first democratic leader was even more corrupt than his predecessor dictators and was replaced, in 2019, with an even worse candidate that drove his country into a losing war that ending up not only crippling Ukraine's people but also giving strategic lands and resources to Russia

Oh I don't know, maybe because it's total nonsense? Not even debatable nonsense but straight-up nonsense.

Russia is a superpower, whether you like it or not, and they wont stay quiet when a pre-Russian satellite state has a 0.0000001% chance of joining NATO whose borders has an air-distance that is only 800 km from Moscow

Russia is a corrupt hellhole not a superpower and Ukraine shouldn't be forced to cripple itself because it makes Russia mad otherwise.

In such conditions, democratic leaders supposedly should have a brain to not get involved in fights you cant win.

And like I said, I didn't know Zelensky forced Russia to attack Ukraine in 2022.

It wasnt documeted but that doesnt mean that it wasnt said

This is so absurdly stupid I won't even dignify it with a response.

Well duh, because Russia is the stronger side ffs

Oh, well surely you'd be totally OK with your much-hated US invading Albania and then Albanians just taking it like little bitches because, well, US is the stronger side after all.

The deal stated that no buffer zone is to be applied to Russia so that it can act if Ukriane ever started to think about joining NATO again and as a sign of goodwill, Putin retreated from Kyiv and will go back to MINSK agreement lines.

No the deal said that Russia keeps everything it has acquired and can continue to arm itself further while Ukraine might as well disarm itself.

And please tell me who told Zelensky, a presumable clown who knows nothing about politics, to continue this war?

Him and his advisors and generals? You call him a clown yet he is a "clown" that I'd wager has way more knowledge about geopolitics than you and I. You are like a dude harping on about the freaking Illuminati and Knights Templars to explain every little thing in politics.

Allow me to end it with the words of Georgian Prime minister who saw what happened in Ukraine and learned to not repeat the mistake of the jewish clown Zelensky.

AHAHAHAHA, are you seriously gonna cite an actual pro-Russian mouthpiece? This is not me exaggerating BTW, him and his party are literally in the pockets of Russia. The average Georgian hates this MF like you wouldn't believe.

Russia was the one stalling for time?

Yes. You're the one who keeps accusing me of not understanding geopolitics, you clearly don't understand timing and seizing the opportune moment.

Are wa talking about the same army and nation? Because I cant believe that this nation trained and equipped the PKK to be this efficient, cunning, and lethal

Greece did something stupid? So? US army also does a lot of stupid things yet you wouldn't want to pick a fight with them. And again you're trying to move away from the topic. I did not say the US does not support PKK today. I said that the US did not create the PKK (and it is true) and Greece didn't need to have the eeeevil US whispering in their ear to provide support to the PKK on their own. It's getting really annoying how you keep trying this bait-and-switch crap. Stop it.

No need to be subtle because we all know how corrupt the AKP is but the opposition trying to act as saints while they are just as corrupt is different

Address my question. Why are you immediately posting about "le CHP bad" or someone else bad whenever anyone posts something bad that the AKP did?

Will Netherlands ever risk destroying relations with Turkey just for one man who wont give the Netherlands any value mentioned?

Do we know he did not offer Netherlands any value? Do we know that the Netherlands were even aware he was hiding there?

Netherlands have good relations with Turkey

Totally, let's just look at some recent history...oh, wait.

Thus, it would be the epitome of foolishness to protect Ocalan unless he has plans to just use the Netherlands as a transit point to the US or the Netherlands can hide behind an entity that Turkey cant say "NO" to and honestly only one nation fits the criteria

So once again, you have no actual solid evidence, just your own personal beliefs (or talking points given to you) that you keep pushing like the absolute truth.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

I dont think that the TAF will remain silent if the IDF bomb HTS and SNA.

Yesterday the IDF killed 3 Turkish nationals at the Lebanese border for example. They are provoking us.

bro you can't even conduct operations against pkk in syria because of USA what makes you think we are going to bomb IDF stop being delusional.

 

[Barry]

just another mental islamist

 

[AlperTunga]

You are speaking on hypotheticals when we have the history to look to. After Turkey threatened war with Syria over Syria's basing of PKK and Öcalan, he first moved to Russia where he was granted asylum. He was invited by Greek MPs to Greece, but chose to go to Italy instead. Both Germany and Turkey had arrest warrants on him and Germans requested that he be given to them, but Germany was unwilling to trial him in Germany, they wanted a 3rd unrelated European country, fearing from the Kurdish diaspora in Germany. Italy denied Turkey's extradition request citing UNCAT and Turkey having death penalty. So he was sent back to Russia to get themselves rid of him, who sent him back to Greece. Dutch didn't accept him so he went back to Greece, from which he went to Kenya. He was later apprehended in a Greek intelligence fiasco by a joint team of MİT and CIA in Nairobi. Americans were right there with us, some say it was Americans that handled all the operation and just handed him to us, though this is without any proofs.

What I'm trying to say is that plenty of countries, allied countries in fact did help Öcalan against us.


He reads.

Gülen didn't "escape" Turkey. He cited his health reasons to board a plane to US and never came back.

Speaking of Gülen I remember how our gov was begging US to deliver him. They were openly complaining that they provided US tons of evidence documents but US not listening. Such a disgrace. I was dreaming of a strong Türkiye that would send an undercover execution team to Pennsylvania and „liquidate“ the traitor. That would be a country to die for. Yes maybe that team would have been martyred. But the message given to the whole world would be so strong people would think twice before they act against us.

 

[Ryder]

Speaking of Gülen I remember how our gov was begging US to deliver him. They were openly complaining that they provided US tons of evidence documents but US not listening. Such a disgrace. I was dreaming of a strong Türkiye that would send an undercover execution team to Pennsylvania and „liquidate“ the traitor. That would be a country to die for. Yes maybe that team would have been martyred. But the message given to the whole world would be so strong people would think twice before they act against us.

I think Akp and co were too much of pussies to send a contract killer. Turkiye sent a lot of contract killers to liquidate asala and pkk terrorists. Erdogan would not even think of doing it.

Then again werent Erdogan and co bed buddies with Feto.

They could not take out their spiritual leader.

 

[MhhJA]

So we postponed the operation...
Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886493299835285863

 

[Lool]

So we postponed the operation...
Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886493299835285863

Hts backstabbed Turkey; nothing more or less
A president like Al-Joulani is still wet behind the ears and think that negotiations will solve everything and that all factions care about Syria; he still cant comprehend that the SDF/PKK is nothing more than a terrorist organisation and you dont negotiate with terrorists

Those filths want a pseudo-state and even a portion of the oil reserves; if a mere 4% of the population gets what they want, then expect the Druze and Alawites to announce their own pseudo-state as well

Why do you think Israel invaded Syria at this very moment, one of the reasons including protecting the Druze in case they announced their independece and if the druze and kurds broke from Syria, then the shia alawites will 100% break as well

Finally, the US isnt likely to retreat from Syria even if Trump wants that as Natenyahu, pentagon officials, and deep state zionist filths reject such a notion in the first place. As time passes, a turkish victory against the PKK seems bleak

 

[Ryder]

Thank you Erdogan for the peace process.

You may have achieved Pkk withdrawing from Turkiye but instead strengthened its position in Syria and Iraq.

Now all the politicians regardless of party are all cucking themselves to a certain voterbase.

I thought military was bad due to the coups they do now I realised why do it.

Democracy shouldnt be a reason to committ treason on your own country.

Rough road ahead because the pkk is backed by Usa and the Zionists. The operations have long past because the people who leads Turkiye got no balls.

 

[Ryder]

So we postponed the operation...
Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886493299835285863

Everytime a operation is postponed.

Cowards of the highest order.

Somebody really does have Erdogan by the balls. If he does something his dirty work will be exposed.

 

[Ryder]

Hts backstabbed Turkey; nothing more or less
A president like Al-Joulani is still wet behind the ears and think that negotiations will solve everything and that all factions care about Syria; he still cant comprehend that the SDF/PKK is nothing more than a terrorist organisation and you dont negotiate with terrorists

Those filths want a pseudo-state and even a portion of the oil reserves; if a mere 4% of the population gets what they want, then expect the Druze and Alawites to announce their own pseudo-state as well

Why do you think Israel invaded Syria at this very moment, one of the reasons including protecting the Druze in case they announced their independece and if the druze and kurds broke from Syria, then the shia alawites will 100% break as well

Finally, the US isnt likely to retreat from Syria even if Trump wants that as Natenyahu, pentagon officials, and deep state zionist filths reject such a notion in the first place. As time passes, a turkish victory against the PKK seems bleak

Turkiye spent decades trying to respect Iraq and Syria's territory.

What a waste. I could careless about about the other ethnic groups or the religious groups. Only the Turkmens who live there is what matters.

What a waste how we never pushed for Syrian Turkmens and Iraqi Turkmens to have their own nation. Imagine having both as our neighbours.

What a fcking waste im really fuming. Syria and Iraq are both failed nations. There was no point in trying to respect their territory when the countries themselves have collapsed.

 

[Azareen]

So we postponed the operation...
Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886493299835285863

May be very diplomatic do not want the world to know that turkey is calling all the shots in Syria, the Syrian government is independent, taking decisions, that way Turkey could legitimately get involved in Syria when and at Syrian government's request. Otherwise Kurds propaganda machine is at work portraying turkey as an occupational force and killing civilians and destroying infrastructure. He knows the negotiations is going to fail at one point as the sdf is very reluctant to dissolve, and integrate into Syrian army individually.

 

[Tonil]

Hts backstabbed Turkey; nothing more or less
A president like Al-Joulani is still wet behind the ears and think that negotiations will solve everything and that all factions care about Syria; he still cant comprehend that the SDF/PKK is nothing more than a terrorist organisation and you dont negotiate with terrorists

Those filths want a pseudo-state and even a portion of the oil reserves; if a mere 4% of the population gets what they want, then expect the Druze and Alawites to announce their own pseudo-state as well

Why do you think Israel invaded Syria at this very moment, one of the reasons including protecting the Druze in case they announced their independece and if the druze and kurds broke from Syria, then the shia alawites will 100% break as well

Finally, the US isnt likely to retreat from Syria even if Trump wants that as Natenyahu, pentagon officials, and deep state zionist filths reject such a notion in the first place. As time passes, a turkish victory against the PKK seems bleak

This is exaggeration he only postponed it. Meaning if the Kurds refuse everything materializes but it looks like as if the Kurds have agreed to the bigger points to automatically lay down their weapons.

 

[Saithan]

You see, none of our so called allies or the arabs are interested in a problem free ME neighborhood for Türkiye. KSA, UAE etc. are interested in having the PKK in Northern Syria and cause trouble for Türkiye. The West is interested in the same thing.

They hide it all behind words, but at the end of the day Israel can kill 60k+ people and not face any sanctions while we can't clear our immediate neighborhood from terrorists.

We should have conducted the operation full scale while HTS was moving towards Damascus. As I said the cards in our hands will rot away because we were passive. yes passive.

Syria needs money to rebuild and that is the incentive our enemies need to make HTS postpone and slow down any action against the PKK, they will color it in flowery words but at the end of the day if you don't shape the iron while it's hot it'll become brittle.

We screwed this up by giving HTS time to establish itself, and by not making the decision for him and clean up, then Joulani could have asked us to slow down once we liberated 70% of the territory under PKK.

 

[Lool]

You see, none of our so called allies or the arabs are interested in a problem free ME neighborhood for Türkiye. KSA, UAE etc. are interested in having the PKK in Northern Syria and cause trouble for Türkiye. The West is interested in the same thing.

The problem isnt that they support terrorists, but in the fact that Turkey toppled Assad. This is what infuriates them

Ever since the failed coup in 2016, and the Arab monarchies have been extremel anti-Erdogan. In the Middle East, there is a status quo between monarchies and they dont want the population to be incited to form any sort of rebellion and that is why Gulf monarchies support dictators within the Middle East in general

For them, authoritarianism and monarchies are essential to sustain the ruling power of these gulf monarchies since I assure you that most of the populations in lots of the Gulf nations hates their rulers for their excessive luxurious lifestyle

Just look at MBS who is being protected by a US-based company, and how he is increasing entertainment activities under the guise of "freedom" just proves how much MBS is scared from his own people

Therefore, a democratic country like Turkey is a pain in the ass for them. If tomorrow they were asked whether would they support another democratically elected president (who will be pro-gulf) or a military coup and military rule for the next 20 years, they would chose the latter 100%

 

[Saithan]

It doesn't matter how to turn it or explain it. What's important is that Türkiye didn't do what was necessary, and now we have to watch our triumph crumble to dust.

 

[Tonil]

You see, none of our so called allies or the arabs are interested in a problem free ME neighborhood for Türkiye. KSA, UAE etc. are interested in having the PKK in Northern Syria and cause trouble for Türkiye. The West is interested in the same thing.

They hide it all behind words, but at the end of the day Israel can kill 60k+ people and not face any sanctions while we can't clear our immediate neighborhood from terrorists.

We should have conducted the operation full scale while HTS was moving towards Damascus. As I said the cards in our hands will rot away because we were passive. yes passive.

Syria needs money to rebuild and that is the incentive our enemies need to make HTS postpone and slow down any action against the PKK, they will color it in flowery words but at the end of the day if you don't shape the iron while it's hot it'll become brittle.

We screwed this up by giving HTS time to establish itself, and by not making the decision for him and clean up, then Joulani could have asked us to slow down once we liberated 70% of the territory under PKK.

This is ridiculous assumption bro.

I am Arab myself and believe me everyone is on Turkey´s side in this SDF case and I mean everyone this is viewed as mutually annoying file that needs to be dealt with but we have to first give them a negotiation opportunity and if it fails we go in.

Turkey´s approval rating has sky rocketed in the arab world as of recent times and is viewed as trustworthy partner in peace.

Look who wants to buy Kaan and other turkish systems and weapons. The political landscape is not the same as in last decade

 

[Ryder]

This is ridiculous assumption bro.

I am Arab myself and believe me everyone is on Turkey´s side in this SDF case and I mean everyone this is viewed as mutually annoying file that needs to be dealt with but we have to first give them a negotiation opportunity and if it fails we go in.

Turkey´s approval rating has sky rocketed in the arab world as of recent times and is viewed as trustworthy partner in peace.

Look who wants to buy Kaan and other turkish systems and weapons. The political landscape is not the same as in last decade

Everybody in the Middle East is sick of the Kurds and their bullshit.

 

[Saithan]

This is ridiculous assumption bro.

I am Arab myself and believe me everyone is on Turkey´s side in this SDF case and I mean everyone this is viewed as mutually annoying file that needs to be dealt with but we have to first give them a negotiation opportunity and if it fails we go in.

Turkey´s approval rating has sky rocketed in the arab world as of recent times and is viewed as trustworthy partner in peace.

Look who wants to buy Kaan and other turkish systems and weapons. The political landscape is not the same as in last decade

I hear what you are saying, but let's be honest one thing is what the common people are feeling, another is what the rulers are doing.

Governments and rulers do not follow the same populist or feelings of their people. Even if they get elected there are strategic choices and benefits that needs to be followed.

You can see how Israel killed 60k+ people and no economic sanctions have hit the country for doing that. While Sisi is talking about the dangers. What can he do to Safeguard Egypt, will he move the army into Gaza or Israel soil if necessary ? I do not think so

Jordans King, is the most silent one, and that is also cause for concern. It's necessary to be very open and vocal about what's going on to be able to show where you stand. To the detriment of your ties with some countries.