TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[fushkee]

Unfortunately. This project is also election-oriented as others are.

 

[Zafer]

This project shouldn't be a propaganda tool.

Why not?

We see that every achievement of foreign countries is a subject of propaganda and when it comes to Turkiye it shouldn't. It should be a subject of propaganda for all the world. If you are thinking about the domestic opposition they do not even race in this field so they won't mind.

 

[Huelague]

Any update? Will we see first flight today.

 

[Cenkcnk]

sarcasm or not? it has been delayed already

 

[fushkee]

And they awaited until last moment to declare it. I wish it would be declared days or weeks before.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I am more excited to see MRBM full HD test of CENK or other type of Roketsan big space missiles than flight of KAAN .

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Watched a report here in Germany on TV about KAAN.
Basically they call it very ambitious ans emphasize mostly that the engines are not Turkish.

They had done the same about the TB-2 highlighting the Canadian cam, the alleged British tech, and the Austrian engine.

It's been a few large pills the Germans have to swallow so frequently in the last years.

 

[MhhJA]

Watched a report here in Germany on TV about KAAN.
Basically they call it very ambitious ans emphasize mostly that the engines are not Turkish.

They had done the same about the TB-2 highlighting the Canadian cam, the alleged British tech, and the Austrian engine.

It's been a few large pills the Germans have to swallow so frequently in the last years.

Can you share where you watched it ?
I would like to see it too.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Can you share where you watched it ?
I would like to see it too.

Don't remember really. I'll share it if I find it.

 

[Kartal1]

Watched a report here in Germany on TV about KAAN.
Basically they call it very ambitious ans emphasize mostly that the engines are not Turkish.

They had done the same about the TB-2 highlighting the Canadian cam, the alleged British tech, and the Austrian engine.

It's been a few large pills the Germans have to swallow so frequently in the last years.

If anything, Turks are very good in shutting the mouths of people screaming "you can't".

We had a friend that is an expert on PLA and Chinese defence industry projects. I respect him as he has a lot of knowledge and experience in terms of following the flow of information, analysis and has a valuable contribution to what we can learn about China and their projects (not only this). As much as I respected him I also hated him for his pessimistic comments on KAAN at the time (2017-2018). He is also German as far as I remember.

From the most pessimistic man on the world regarding KAAN he turned into the opposite. I will never forget the feeling when I saw him comment on the pictures below, praising TAI's high quality work. This is the best feeling ever.

 

[Boz]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Turkey Seeks F-16 Engines from US for Domestic Fighter Jet​

• Turkey wants joint production of F110 engines domestically
• Turkish aircraft Kaan set to make its maiden flight early 2024

By Selcan Hacaoglu

Turkey has asked the US for permission to co-produce GE Aerospace engines used in F-16 jets, with an aim to deploy them for its own domestically produced fighter plane.

The NATO member is looking to manufacture GE’s F110 engines in Turkey to ensure supplies for the initial phase of TAI Kaan, an all-weather fighter jet scheduled to make its maiden flight in January 2024, according to people familiar with the matter. The fifth-generation aircraft is under development by Turkish Aerospace Industries with help from the UK’s BAE Systems Plc.

Turkey sees Kaan planes utilizing two F110 engines until the country is able to develop its own version, said the people, who asked not to be identified as the matter is confidential.

US officials in Ankara and Turkey’s government declined to comment.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has made modernizing the country’s aging air force a top priority. That’s gained urgency since its expulsion from the program to procure and support Lockheed Martin Corp.’s advanced F-35 fighter jets in 2019, following Turkey’s acquisition of Russian S-400 air defense missiles, which the US says could compromise the F-35’s stealth capabilities.

Earlier this week, Turkey took a step closer to approving Sweden’s accession into NATO as requested by US President Joe Biden. A timely backing of the Nordic nation’s membership in the alliance was a US condition attached to the sale of 40 new F-16 Block 70 aircraft and 79 kits by Lockheed Martin. Turkey is anticipating the move may also facilitate a positive response to its F110 engine request.

Turkey plans to retire its F-4 jets and upgrade its F-16 fleet as a stopgap measure before Kaan becomes operational. The country is also seeking to acquire Eurofighter jets. “Turkey aims to have its domestic aircraft engine ready in 2028,” Defense Minister Yasar Guler recently told reporters.

The government in Ankara has been in talks with the UK’s Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc to co-produce aircraft engines, and while the discussions are at an advanced stage, the sides have yet to reach an agreement over the composition of a consortium, the people said.

Rolls-Royce already has a joint venture with Turkish industrial conglomerate Kale Group in Turkey, where the future engine would be produced if an agreement is reached.

Turkey’s request for joint production of the F110 GE engines follows an agreement reached in June between Turkey’s TUSAS Engine Industries Inc., or TEI, and GE Aerospace. The accord extended TEI’s license to conduct F110 Depot Level Maintenance services for several countries operating F-16 and F-15 fighter aircraft. TEI is one of the largest manufacturers of parts for F110 engines.

 

[Heartbang]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Turkey Seeks F-16 Engines from US for Domestic Fighter Jet​

• Turkey wants joint production of F110 engines domestically
• Turkish aircraft Kaan set to make its maiden flight early 2024

By Selcan Hacaoglu

Turkey has asked the US for permission to co-produce GE Aerospace engines used in F-16 jets, with an aim to deploy them for its own domestically produced fighter plane.

The NATO member is looking to manufacture GE’s F110 engines in Turkey to ensure supplies for the initial phase of TAI Kaan, an all-weather fighter jet scheduled to make its maiden flight in January 2024, according to people familiar with the matter. The fifth-generation aircraft is under development by Turkish Aerospace Industries with help from the UK’s BAE Systems Plc.

Turkey sees Kaan planes utilizing two F110 engines until the country is able to develop its own version, said the people, who asked not to be identified as the matter is confidential.

US officials in Ankara and Turkey’s government declined to comment.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has made modernizing the country’s aging air force a top priority. That’s gained urgency since its expulsion from the program to procure and support Lockheed Martin Corp.’s advanced F-35 fighter jets in 2019, following Turkey’s acquisition of Russian S-400 air defense missiles, which the US says could compromise the F-35’s stealth capabilities.

Earlier this week, Turkey took a step closer to approving Sweden’s accession into NATO as requested by US President Joe Biden. A timely backing of the Nordic nation’s membership in the alliance was a US condition attached to the sale of 40 new F-16 Block 70 aircraft and 79 kits by Lockheed Martin. Turkey is anticipating the move may also facilitate a positive response to its F110 engine request.

Turkey plans to retire its F-4 jets and upgrade its F-16 fleet as a stopgap measure before Kaan becomes operational. The country is also seeking to acquire Eurofighter jets. “Turkey aims to have its domestic aircraft engine ready in 2028,” Defense Minister Yasar Guler recently told reporters.

The government in Ankara has been in talks with the UK’s Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc to co-produce aircraft engines, and while the discussions are at an advanced stage, the sides have yet to reach an agreement over the composition of a consortium, the people said.

Rolls-Royce already has a joint venture with Turkish industrial conglomerate Kale Group in Turkey, where the future engine would be produced if an agreement is reached.

Turkey’s request for joint production of the F110 GE engines follows an agreement reached in June between Turkey’s TUSAS Engine Industries Inc., or TEI, and GE Aerospace. The accord extended TEI’s license to conduct F110 Depot Level Maintenance services for several countries operating F-16 and F-15 fighter aircraft. TEI is one of the largest manufacturers of parts for F110 engines.

Could there be an "early delivery" variant in the works?

 

[Sanchez]

Could there be an "early delivery" variant in the works?

All development prototypes and first batch are set to be flown with F110s anyway.

 

[uçuyorum]

Could there be an "early delivery" variant in the works?

You mean for KAAN? Yes, we knew that for years. I think it was like first 40 planes that will be "4.5" gen versions with F110

 

[Zafer]

Could there be an "early delivery" variant in the works?

I would build a TR-Motor design TF35000 early adoption engine with some under-powered thrust rating instead. That would be a first step engine for TEI and the full power Kaan engine would come at a later iteration. This first engine would eliminate the need to use F110 engines which may come with strings attached.

 

[Heartbang]

@Zafer @uçuyorum @Sanchez
Then let me rephrase my question.

Could there be a "very early delivery" variant in the works?
Potentially to be delivered before 2028, with some omissions? (MURAD instead of BURFIS, no IWB, etc.)

 

[Zafer]

@Zafer @uçuyorum @Sanchez
Then let me rephrase my question.

Could there be a "very early delivery" variant in the works?
Potentially to be delivered before 2028, with some omissions? (MURAD instead of BURFIS, no IWB, etc.)

My words were not a direct answer to your question, but I think an early delivery plane can be completed as early as when main desirable flying characters of the plane is achieved which means a plane better than the the 4.5 gen or even 4 gen planes. Specifically if it is better than an F16 it is a go signal to move to production. Like 3 years after first flight this goal can be achieved. As this production is an early adoption production run it will be a small number like 30 planes or so. But just as I said earlier I would make the early adoption Kaan engine in the same timeframe. I would make them ready before the end of 2026. This plane would possibly have everything on it other than the full stealth engine.

 

[Era_shield]

@Zafer @uçuyorum @Sanchez
Then let me rephrase my question.

Could there be a "very early delivery" variant in the works?
Potentially to be delivered before 2028, with some omissions? (MURAD instead of BURFIS, no IWB, etc.)

Because this would add to the development time I don't think it would happen unless there's an urgent need.

 

[boredaf]

@Zafer @uçuyorum @Sanchez
Then let me rephrase my question.

Could there be a "very early delivery" variant in the works?
Potentially to be delivered before 2028, with some omissions? (MURAD instead of BURFIS, no IWB, etc.)

There would be barely any point to that, why waste time on it? I'd much rather have that time and manpower spent on Kaan as a proper plane and Hürjet's light attack configuration.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

They will never let us produce the engine under license, they won't even give us weapons systems & fighter planes like we are supposed to get engines and then under license.

In addition, the Engine Technology is from the late 70s, even if there are new revisions of the GE F110 129 over the years.
According to my information, this Engine is unsuitable for a GEN 5+ Fighter Aircraft, it has too high Thermal/Radar Signature, as it was originally manufactured for GEN 4+ Fighter Aircraft such as the F-16.
Whether you are allowed to produce it under license to modify it is a totally different matter, maybe it is the desire to produce it under license.