TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

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Many members are taking genuine questions like criticisms and as if a difference in fighter development can be seen from projects in Europe, US or even India.

Testing an manned fighter is an exhaustive ball game. Let's say you have 1000 parameters to check. You have successfully tested 999. And then have an issue with an last one. You redo the change even if by adding one if statement. You have to retest all 1000 parameters again. And the funny part is, that one statement will break any other parameter and will again relook at the code. Testing and validation is fun 😁👍

And this validation can't be done with one ac. You need to have variables. One needs to have preferably atleast 3 protos almost with the same design. And if the first proto has some minor design issue, it needs to be rectified in the second. Or the existing one needs to be modified and again tested for 1000 parameters.

And again it would be kinda fun integrating all electronics to the mission computer. And when sub-systems fail testing, the engineers have to pray to God hoping it's not an hardware issue. If it's software it can be modified with sometime. If it's hardware it has to go back to design review of that sub-systems, testing and validation again.

And then testing an new aircraft would ask for new test infra in the country or have to ask LM or BAE facilities to do testing (it can fastrack schedules). Test jigs, fixtures have to be designed and installed for testing mechanical parts for limited production as well.

I think the BAE role here is to certify and qualify the aircraft. Certification and qualifications is a separate huge discipline altogether. No one will certify any aircraft in 1-2 year. Cos it needs data, flying variables under different conditions, min hours required.

India learnt from Tejas, the hard way. I think LM was supposed to be our advisor, but the nuclear tests of 1998 put an full stop to it. India had to develop everything from scratch. From FCS tool, test infra (huge), modalities, certification and we had our pilots trained in US on how to become test pilots for new aircrafts etc. The only thing we were worse were in management and decided to use our own engine instead of going foreign. It wasted nearly 8 years of our programme. These are the only advantages Turks would have but the other dev activities can't be shortened, cut or dealt with. It has to follow normal development process which is trial and error.
 

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The problem is you dont know sh*t about the development phases of the tf-x and people recommended to you that you should read the tread first than you can talk about it.
Countless companies are currently working on this project and they did a lot of stuff.even though i personally think that there will be some small delays i can guarantee you except the engine problem everything will be solved easily. So before making any further baseless claims just take your time and read the thread or please just ignore it.
Okay tell me the eots developed ,also rwr of turkey , and please don't forget to add DAS , and info on ew module
 

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Not clueless but they aren't going to do all the wok , except if you pay them for it .

But still even bae can't develop a prototype in 6 months , and turkey have 6 months to roll out hurjet prototype , as per official statement quoted by members and nobody in this world can do this except american and maybe russian and chinese
Turkeys getting help from BAE systems, so you're saying BAE technicians are clueless
 

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Okay , as you wish , but i don't have time , can you show me turkish airborne aesa and it's capability like it's operating frequency band , it's trm module , and materials used in trm , GaN or GaAs .

What's status of your eots and DAS
Simply read the forum, there are hundred of pages and nobody, literally, has to give you a summary or a streamlined information on all those.
If you did so, then you would come to realization the first model is a trainer and do not initially get an AESA radar. The first prototype is a trainer and also in production.
IMO, you may reconsider before treating TAI as one of those backyard companies. I personally don't think the timeline will be able to be followed, but i also don't think they are making dates off their ar#es.
 

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Actually tai didn't had any program for fighter jet before hurjet , did they ?

Criticism would be i making comments on industrial capability of tai on hurjet and tfx , and how they are different projects from all unmanned system .

And genius , give me ten project and their timeline to say anything about 'barking' , otherwise keep your fanboy slang to yourself
F-16 fighter jet program.
 

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Simply read the forum, there are hundred of pages and nobody, literally, has to give you a summary or a streamlined information on all those.
If you did so, then you would come to realization the first model is a trainer and do not initially get an AESA radar. The first prototype is a trainer and also in production.
IMO, you may reconsider before treating TAI as one of those backyard companies. I personally don't think the timeline will be able to be followed, but i also don't think they are making dates off their ar#es.
This update on production is what is asked earlier ,as there is no info on google about it , and no announcement was made about steel cutting .

If have any peice of some official statement ,it would be better
 

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Okay , as you wish , but i don't have time , can you show me turkish airborne aesa and it's capability like it's operating frequency band , it's trm module , and materials used in trm , GaN or GaAs .

What's status of your eots and DAS
Use the search button for Turkish section.
 

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Quote:
Uçak motoru konusundaki çalışmaların da devam ettiğini belirten Demir, "En azında prototip ve sonrasında belli sayıda uçağın motorlarını hazır alıyor olmak bizim sürecimizi rahatlattı.
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Mr Demir, according to this newspaper says that :
”Work on the development of jet engine is carrying on. But by obtaining engines for a specific number of planes after the prototypes, has made this process more manageable.
This means we have the engines for the 4++ generation first batch of the MMU.
 

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Just a little info I share I got from that TAİ engineer, who told about the BAE engineers we "rented", those 100(200? Don't remember exactly) engineers loved Türkiye so much that they don't want to go back to UK, they are so happy with their life here
 

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Just a little info I share I got from that TAİ engineer, who told about the BAE engineers we "rented", those 100(200? Don't remember exactly) engineers loved Türkiye so much that they don't want to go back to UK, they are so happy with their life here
They must be able to save some money from their pays as cost of living is dirt cheap in Turkey compared to the UK.
 

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That is one of the reasons but they also loved the Turkish hospitality and especially the weather and Turks in general
 

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