TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Saithan]

I am with @boredaf on this. We have to wait and see. France is against us in everything and thus we should make our striders shorter and be think twice.

France is facing the Atlantic so no way they'll be frontline in any war. not since WW2. I think getting our hands on meteor is just as much for learning and analysing to be able to develop our own missiles as it may be necessary for EF.

So hearing KAAN is progressing as planned is fine, but I think we need to get that engine contract in place very soon.

 

[hugh]

Response from SSB Görgün to claims of supplying KAAN to Saudi Arabia

President of Defense Industries Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün said, "We did not hold any discussions specific to any product or platform."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886293792778829897

 

[Spitfire9]

So hearing KAAN is progressing as planned is fine, but I think we need to get that engine contract in place very soon.

How far does the engine design have to progress before a contract can be made for development to certification of the TF35000?

 

[Saithan]

How far does the engine design have to progress before a contract can be made for development to certification of the TF35000?

No mate, while I think the TF35K is nice and important. I believe getting a contract in place for the F110 engine is just as important. Because we don't have the leeway to play around with an engine that has yet to be produced, considering how the world is going from bad to worse every day.

The F110 engine in KAAN will give us at least a 4th gen fighter jet, at best 4.5 gen. But we need to have the platform up and flying and dropping bombs to get that Knowhow under our skin. Even if KAAN ends up being more lightly armed than a fully fledged F16, I think it's necessary to keep working and producing to get that experience.

 

[Zoth]

Here is the report

Renforcer la relation franco-turque afin d'agir conjointement pour la paix - Sénat

www.senat.fr

Headline is: "Strengthening the Franco-Turkish relationship in order to act jointly for peace"

That is the report to the France Senate. It is comprehensive report and lets say "constructive".

News of Defence Turk is not baseless

I would love Turkey to get involved into an European joint program but i would rather us stay alone than getting involved with France and Germany.

There would be possibility of us entering into GCAP due to close relationship of our MiC with the British and Italian counterparts, but the real problem would be Japan, they don't accept anything that would delay the program.

I personally think that we should not touch anything FCAS related.

My personal wet dream is Spain joining our Kaan project, that would make the project much better, a sisterly/brotherly nation that also has aviation capabilities, it would be win-win, but they are already part of FCAS, so i don't know.

 

[Huelague]

My personal wet dream is Spain joining our Kaan project, that would make the project much better, a sisterly/brotherly nation that also has aviation capabilities, it would be win-win, but they are already part of FCAS, so i don't know.

Spain, Italy, Malaysia and some sponsors like Qatar and S.A.
At the beginning, S. Korea was the best choice, next to Sweden.

 

[alfonsvlora]

KAAN'da süreç açıklandı: 6 prototip yolda! | SavunmaSanayiST

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Görgün, KAAN projesinin planlandığı gibi ilerlediğini belirtti. 2025’te uçuş planlanırken, 6 test uçağı seri üretimi hızlandıracak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

This article from 04 February 2025 is interesting. Here Mr. Gorgun says:
Noting that six aircraft will be produced during this process, Görgün said, “The six aircraft will accelerate our processes on the way to mass production. Each will have different functions and test activities. Flight activities are planned for the first produced aircraft, the second, third and subsequent aircraft for 2025.

I don't think these declared prototypes will all be with the F110 engine. Therefore, a strong question arises here!
Could it be that the KAAN TF36000lb engine is already finished?

 

[hugh]

I don't think these declared prototypes will all be with the F110 engine. Therefore, a strong question arises here!
Could it be that the KAAN TF36000lb engine is already finished?

NO

 

[Spitfire9]

KAAN'da süreç açıklandı: 6 prototip yolda! | SavunmaSanayiST

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Görgün, KAAN projesinin planlandığı gibi ilerlediğini belirtti. 2025’te uçuş planlanırken, 6 test uçağı seri üretimi hızlandıracak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

This article from 04 February 2025 is interesting. Here Mr. Gorgun says:
Noting that six aircraft will be produced during this process, Görgün said, “The six aircraft will accelerate our processes on the way to mass production. Each will have different functions and test activities. Flight activities are planned for the first produced aircraft, the second, third and subsequent aircraft for 2025.

I don't think these declared prototypes will all be with the F110 engine. Therefore, a strong question arises here!
Could it be that the KAAN TF36000lb engine is already finished?

I think I recall the TAI chairman saying TF35000 would be installed from 2028. Presumably for testing a 1xF110 + 1xTF35000 KAAN FTB.

 

[boredaf]

I don't think these declared prototypes will all be with the F110 engine. Therefore, a strong question arises here!
Could it be that the KAAN TF36000lb engine is already finished?

 

[Strong AI]

I hope we can do similiar tests with KAAN in Türkiye.

İsmail Demir announced that Tübitak and Roketsan had developed an electromagnetic bomb (EMP).

On questions about electronic bombs, İsmal Demir, "There were design studies within the body of TÜBİTAK, they have reached a certain maturity. ROKETSAN is also at work on this issue. Electronic warfare can make significant effects on the field with its diversity and dimensions. . We continue these studies in terms of both export and our own needs." said.

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Demir: Altay tankının seri üretiminin gelecek yıl başlamasını bekliyoruz

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Demir, Altay tankının seri üretiminin gelecek yılın ortalarında başlamasının beklendiğini, Aksungur ve Akıncı gibi yüksek faydalı yük taşıyacak insansız hava araçlarının da gelecek yıl teslim edilmeye başlanacağını bildirdi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

To understand the potential of EMP bombs around the world


Northrop Grumman to offer electromagnetic pulse counter-UAV weapon
flightglobal.com/farnborough-2020/northrop-grumman-to-offer-electromagnetic-pulse-counter-uav-weapon/139433.article#.Xxk0iLbl4qk.twitter

Mary Lou Robinson, chief of the High Power Microwave Division of the US Air Force Research Laboratory, announced that the EMP missile (CHAMP project) is operational. The missile is planned to be used against North Korea and Iran. It was announced that the missile had a range of 1120 km.

Air Force has deployed missiles that could fry electronics of Iran

The microwave weapons are fitted into an air-launched cruise missile and delivered from B-52 bombers. They can fly into enemy airspace and disable any electronic devices.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP)

Aerospace Security CSIS platform announced that EMP attacks on satellites can be carried out.

https://aerospace.csis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/SpaceThreatAssessment2019-compressed.pdf

 

[Huelague]

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I hope we can do similiar tests with KAAN in Türkiye.

6 Prototypes will be produced, one will be for EMP tests I hope.

 

[dBSPL]

I think there was a defenseturkey article years ago with a list of test systems and test centers that are and will be established under the KAAN program, I searched a bit but I couldn't find it. However, we already know about the Lightning Test Facility, I wonder if this facility can also be used for EMP simulations?

 

[uçuyorum]

I think there was a defenseturkey article years ago with a list of test systems and test centers that are and will be established under the KAAN program, I searched a bit but I couldn't find it. However, we already know about the Lightning Test Facility, I wonder if this facility can also be used for EMP simulations?

If I had to guess an emp would destroy that facility instead

 

[Strong AI]

I think there was a defenseturkey article years ago with a list of test systems and test centers that are and will be established under the KAAN program, I searched a bit but I couldn't find it. However, we already know about the Lightning Test Facility, I wonder if this facility can also be used for EMP simulations?

• Near Field Radar Cross Section Measurement
• Lightning Strike Safety Measurement
• Electromagnetic Compatibility in a Fully Reflection-Free Environment
• Establishment of Large-Scale Structural Strength/Fatigue Test Infrastructure
• Engine/APU Integration and Qualification Test Setups
• Hydraulic/Fuel/Electric/Pneumatic/Avionics Integration and Qualification Test Setups
• Establishment of Climate Control System Design and Integration Laboratories
• Development Test Centers for Uniquely Developed Components (avionics computers, helmet, generator, pump, landing gear, hook, gearbox, oxygen/nitrogen systems, etc.)

KAAN için yeni tesisler

KAAN'ın test merkezlerinin kurulumu, kalifikasyonu ve ilk prototip testlerinin gerçekleştirilmesi için gerekli altyapı yatırımları hızla sürdürülmekte.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[alfonsvlora]

I think I recall the TAI chairman saying TF35000 would be installed from 2028. Presumably for testing a 1xF110 + 1xTF35000 KAAN FTB.

That's exactly how it is!
It is precisely these types of disjointed statements in time, which make you think (hypothesize) that perhaps this engine may not only have been built, but may even be in the testing stages

 

[hugh]

That's exactly how it is!
It is precisely these types of disjointed statements in time, which make you think (hypothesize) that perhaps this engine may not only have been built, but may even be in the testing stages

Last month, Haluk Görgün said that TF36000 will be integrated into KAAN in 2029 or in the beginning of 2030. So 2028(for engine) date is outdated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879170405627306211

 

[boredaf]

That's exactly how it is!
It is precisely these types of disjointed statements in time, which make you think (hypothesize) that perhaps this engine may not only have been built, but may even be in the testing stages

Only if you haven't paid any attention to anything else or do not live in the physical reality we occupy because in this reality, there is quite literally 0% chance that TF3XK engine has been built and getting testing right now.

An engine development process is a marathon, it is neither sprint nor it is a long jump like the one you're doing with your leaps in logic. Pace yourself or you're going to lose it before we reach the finish line.

 

[Strong AI]

Murat İkinci (Roketsan):
"[...] Therefore, our efforts are ongoing to make sure that our weapons, smart missiles, can fit into KAAN’s internal weapon bay and be launched from there."

Stating that they will work on making cruise missiles like Çakır and SOM capable of being launched from both KAAN and Kızılelma and integrating them, İkinci also mentioned that there has been no change in KAAN's delivery date of 2028. He added, "We have a schedule that aligns with the timelines of both Kızılelma and KAAN. We will integrate all of our weapons, including air-to-ground and air-to-air smart missiles. The first prototype delivery of KAAN is planned for 2028, and we will complete all integration work without causing any delays during this process."

ROKETSAN açıkladı: Entegre edilecek! KAAN'a yeni doping

Ekonomi - ROKETSAN Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, milli muharip uçağının teslim tarihinin 2028'de herhangi bir değişiklik olmadığını belirtti. İkinci, KAAN için bu sene silah entegrasyonuna ağırlık vereceklerini söyledi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

 

[TheInsider]

The latest schedule of the national engine for KAAN
The first engine delivery for integration Q4 2028- Q2 2029 (integration prototype)
The first flight with the national engine Q4 2029-Q2 2030. (flight prototype)
The flight testing is expected to take 2 years so we will likely see the first KAAN delivery with the national in 2032.

As of now there is no change in schedule either for integration or for the first flight the infamous 2028 date you always see comes from this roadmap.