TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Radko]

Turkey’s Kaan Fighter Development Gains Momentum

Source: Aviation Week
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The next batch of prototypes and preproduction model aircraft will look very similar to the configuration of P0, “from a bystander’s point of view,” Demiroglu says. The most noticeable external change will likely be a more optimized inlet for supersonic flight.
Instead, many of the changes will be “under the skin,” Demiroglu says, including weight optimization and the installation of mission systems. The second batch of prototypes, P4, P5 and P6, will be more advanced and capable than the first trio


Well well well, who could have guessed

 

[duveil]

I want to add more information to this, because i am bored and i find it interesting.

So let us start with what a vortex is.

Vortex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do fighter aircraft benefit from vortices?

Flow separation
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To me it looks like that KAAN has chines.
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Chine (aeronautics) - Wikipedia

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Do vortices have negative effects? (F-18 as an example)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S088997460200138X?via%3Dihub

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376042100000038

So basically, the vertical stabilizers of KAAN are mounted on top of the engines to minimize tail buffeting.
Here are some examples of tail buffeting. (Take a closer look at the vertical stabilizers)

F-22 (You have to watch this on YouTube)

Thanks mate. This is the reason I come to this forum.

 

[Strong AI]

Thanks mate. This is the reason I come to this forum.

You're very welcome.

 

[what]

My personal highlight:

But TAI, he says, is open to different levels of involvement—either with Kaan, the Gokbey helicopter or the Anka UAV. As a result, Demiroglu is confident that the Kaan will secure an international development partner; geopolitics could force the hand of those countries and prompt them to make “bold decisions.”

“I do not know if [a Kaan partnership] will happen this year or next, but I am sure we will have it,” he says. “Once we do, everybody will know . . . that it will not be only one.”

 

[Oublious]

2 prototype are in assembly line, one off the prototype will fly end off the year and the other will begin off 2026 fly. Total ther will be 4 PT and they will fly extensively. We plan to deliver first fighter i 2028, end to deliver the fighter we are going to work hard.

 

[Strong AI]

We are on the trail of a love written in the sky.

#KAAN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925477877388030192

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Huelague]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?

 

[Huelague]

Or they mean the total number of planes (Kaan, Hürkus, Hürjet)?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?
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500 Kaan, Hürjet and Hürkus combined!
Same goes for the other two columns.

 

[Huelague]

500 Kaan, Hürjet and Hürkus combined!
Same goes for the other two columns.

~1450 aircraft’s. That’s huge. And we are talking about aircraft’s only, not to mention other stuffs.
Have you read the current attention?: https://www.tusas.com/#wdLoad

 

[what]

TAI is focusing on mass production and not any new projects, or at least not announcing them publicly.
But still I would love to hear that they will produce something like GlobalHawk or the bigger version of Anka 3

 

[Huelague]

TAI is focusing on mass production and not any new projects, or at least not announcing them publicly.
But still I would love to hear that they will produce something like GlobalHawk or the bigger version of Anka 3

Doesn’t “they” announced anything about Anka III, like two engines, more stealthy aso..

 

[Zafer]

They are talking about gross numbers, this does not mean some small number projects won't be done. Talking about Anka3 should mean all delta wing jet planes of a similar concept. When you have gained engine and aircraft design capabilities it is unthinkable to not make more designs as deemed necessary using those components.

 

[hugh]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?
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The origin of the news for context

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, şirketin 10 yıllık planlarını anlattı

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii AŞ (TUSAŞ) Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, 2034'e kadar yaklaşık 500 KAAN, HÜRJET ve HÜRKUŞ, 350'den fazla GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 ve benzeri platformların üretimini planladıklarını belirtti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

"Bizim önümüzde 2034'e kadar ne var diye baktığımızda, yaklaşık 500 KAAN, HÜRJET ve HÜRKUŞ üretimi var. 350'nin üzerinde GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 ve benzeri platformların üretimleri görünüyor. 600'e yakın ANKA-3, ATAK, ANKA-1, Aksungur ve benzeri platformları görüyoruz. 20'ye yakın irili ufaklı uydu hesap ediyoruz. Bu, bugüne kadar yaptığımızın çok ötesinde bir seri üretim demek. Ayrıca, 2034'te 12 milyar dolarlık ciro hedefliyoruz."

Google Translation:

"When we look at what lies ahead of us until 2034, there is production of approximately 500 KAAN, HÜRJET and HÜRKUŞ. We see production of over 350 GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 and similar platforms. We see nearly 600 ANKA-3, ATAK, ANKA-1, Aksungur and similar platforms. We calculate nearly 20 satellites of all sizes. This means mass production far beyond what we have done so far. In addition, we are targeting a revenue of 12 billion dollars in 2034."

 

[Spitfire9]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?

Who is going to buy 500 Hurkus, Hurjet, KAAN combined by 2034? I don't know anything about Hurkus but Hurjet is up against T7-A, a formidable competitor. KAAN is up against ITAR/CAATSA, although a preference for Muslim countries to buy from Turkiye gives it a unique advantage over other 5G aircraft. And a further big advantage when TF35000 is fitted (having a non-US engine).

If a Eurofighter order is confirmed in 2025, I imagine that new EF could be supplied from 2028. The ex-RAF tranche 1 aircraft, presumably to be supplied to TuAF, should help to speed up training and induction of the new EF supplied, shouldn't they?

I see EF as a useful insurance against slippage in the KAAN program and, of course, against the now unstable US leadership creating problems with engine supply. Further political problems may be created by Erdogan moving further away from democratic values. Turning Turkiye further towards dictatorship may jeopardise the smooth progress of an EF deal.

I wonder how fast development of KAAN systems can progress and how long it will take for in service KAAN to reach a capability useful to TuAF.

Regarding TF35000, will orders for KAAN be reduced in anticipation of the TF35000 becoming available? Ideally Turkiye will receive as few KAAN as possible with a foreign engine. That is at odds with producing a very large number for TuAF by 2034.

 

[Saithan]

I don't believe in that political speech either. We don't have that kind of money to spend, and doubt they'll materialize more than 10-15% of that.

I mean we already have atak, he going to include what we already have in the inventory ?

 

[uçuyorum]

Until 2034 ( or 2-3 more years) , the chances of us buying approx 100 of each of those is not bad, and spain is buying 24 + 24? We have to sell 150-200 more and T7 is still problematic. Hurjet has luck in many markets surprisingly

 

[Radko]

Who is going to buy 500 Hurkus, Hurjet, KAAN combined by 2034? I don't know anything about Hurkus but Hurjet is up against T7-A, a formidable competitor. KAAN is up against ITAR/CAATSA, although a preference for Muslim countries to buy from Turkiye gives it a unique advantage over other 5G aircraft. And a further big advantage when TF35000 is fitted (having a non-US engine).

If a Eurofighter order is confirmed in 2025, I imagine that new EF could be supplied from 2028. The ex-RAF tranche 1 aircraft, presumably to be supplied to TuAF, should help to speed up training and induction of the new EF supplied, shouldn't they?

I see EF as a useful insurance against slippage in the KAAN program and, of course, against the now unstable US leadership creating problems with engine supply. Further political problems may be created by Erdogan moving further away from democratic values. Turning Turkiye further towards dictatorship may jeopardise the smooth progress of an EF deal.

I wonder how fast development of KAAN systems can progress and how long it will take for in service KAAN to reach a capability useful to TuAF.

Regarding TF35000, will orders for KAAN be reduced in anticipation of the TF35000 becoming available? Ideally Turkiye will receive as few KAAN as possible with a foreign engine. That is at odds with producing a very large number for TuAF by 2034.

More than 100 Hürjet orders come from Turkey and Spain

 

[Saithan]

Like I said a few pages back. Engine sale is not approved by Senate for Hürjet yet. So you got max 20 Hürjet or so from the prototype sale that could be done without Senate approval.