TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Radko]

Why update the brochure when the jet's dimensions will change again in one month? The brochure dimensions are for P1, not P0.

And they do not take into account the height of the cockpit when measuring the height of the aircraft. They take into account the vertical stabilizers.
If they dropped the height of Kaan by 1 meter, they must've changed the position of the vstabs. 1 meter is a massive decrease in height.

I don't get how you are able to get so many things wrong.


The 21x14x6m dimensions were NEVER accurate to begin with, it was just the lazy media department not doing their job.

I posted the evidence of vertical stabilisers position being the same for both P0 and P1, look at my original post and try to understand what I explained there,

I remember about people talking about the vertical stabilisers and how they will be moved to the sides, instead of the current over the engine layout.

Well, whoever said that is wrong. Here is the proof:
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More clearly this part:
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As you can see, it is clearly the mountings for the vertical stabilisers, same as P0;
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The first 2 are from the production of P1, you can go check Haluk Görgün's social media. Last one is from the production of P0.

Look at that little extensions (mountings for the vertical stabilisers) with pin holes in them, View attachment 74715

There you go, P1 and P0 has the same vertical stabiliser placement, and there is no need of a further discussion because it would not be factual to argue that they moved the vertical stabilisers.


Kaan's dimensions were never 21x14x6m btw, what's in the brochure is the dimensions for P0, what's funny is that you can also go and check it yourself by taking the F110 as your scale

 

[Quasar]

Concerning KF-21 remember once we were also almost involved in the project so I would not put the blame just on Indonesia for KF-21.

Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Indonesia and even possibly SA partnerships will come with their challenges yet economic, political and millitary rewards of Turning KAAN into a multi-national & regional project far exceeds the risks and challenges.

 

[Huelague]

Concerning KF-21 remember once we were also almost involved in the project so I would not put the blame just on Indonesia for KF-21.

Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Indonesia and even possibly SA partnerships will come with their challenges yet economic, political and millitary rewards of Turning KAAN into a multi-national & regional project far exceeds the risks and challenges.

Don’t forget Malaysia.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

It will soon be month May and there are still no signs of life for the revised prototype.

Next month we are already halfway through the year,
slowly some information should finally come or at least pictures.
The first prototype is not flying either...at least officially, which is very strange.

 

[Fatman17]

Turkey’s Kaan Fighter Development Gains Momentum

Source: Aviation Week
https://search.app/ZNY7S

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[Radko]

Turkey’s Kaan Fighter Development Gains Momentum

Source: Aviation Week
https://search.app/ZNY7S

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Thanks for sharing,


The next batch of prototypes and preproduction model aircraft will look very similar to the configuration of P0, “from a bystander’s point of view,” Demiroglu says. The most noticeable external change will likely be a more optimized inlet for supersonic flight.
Instead, many of the changes will be “under the skin,” Demiroglu says, including weight optimization and the installation of mission systems. The second batch of prototypes, P4, P5 and P6, will be more advanced and capable than the first trio


Well well well, who could have guessed

 

[duveil]

I want to add more information to this, because i am bored and i find it interesting.

So let us start with what a vortex is.

Vortex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do fighter aircraft benefit from vortices?

Flow separation
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To me it looks like that KAAN has chines.
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Chine (aeronautics) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do vortices have negative effects? (F-18 as an example)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S088997460200138X?via%3Dihub

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376042100000038

So basically, the vertical stabilizers of KAAN are mounted on top of the engines to minimize tail buffeting.
Here are some examples of tail buffeting. (Take a closer look at the vertical stabilizers)

F-22 (You have to watch this on YouTube)

Thanks mate. This is the reason I come to this forum.

 

[what]

My personal highlight:

But TAI, he says, is open to different levels of involvement—either with Kaan, the Gokbey helicopter or the Anka UAV. As a result, Demiroglu is confident that the Kaan will secure an international development partner; geopolitics could force the hand of those countries and prompt them to make “bold decisions.”

“I do not know if [a Kaan partnership] will happen this year or next, but I am sure we will have it,” he says. “Once we do, everybody will know . . . that it will not be only one.”

 

[Oublious]

2 prototype are in assembly line, one off the prototype will fly end off the year and the other will begin off 2026 fly. Total ther will be 4 PT and they will fly extensively. We plan to deliver first fighter i 2028, end to deliver the fighter we are going to work hard.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Huelague]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?

 

[Huelague]

Or they mean the total number of planes (Kaan, Hürkus, Hürjet)?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?
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500 Kaan, Hürjet and Hürkus combined!
Same goes for the other two columns.

 

[Huelague]

500 Kaan, Hürjet and Hürkus combined!
Same goes for the other two columns.

~1450 aircraft’s. That’s huge. And we are talking about aircraft’s only, not to mention other stuffs.
Have you read the current attention?: https://www.tusas.com/#wdLoad

 

[what]

TAI is focusing on mass production and not any new projects, or at least not announcing them publicly.
But still I would love to hear that they will produce something like GlobalHawk or the bigger version of Anka 3

 

[Huelague]

TAI is focusing on mass production and not any new projects, or at least not announcing them publicly.
But still I would love to hear that they will produce something like GlobalHawk or the bigger version of Anka 3

Doesn’t “they” announced anything about Anka III, like two engines, more stealthy aso..

 

[Zafer]

They are talking about gross numbers, this does not mean some small number projects won't be done. Talking about Anka3 should mean all delta wing jet planes of a similar concept. When you have gained engine and aircraft design capabilities it is unthinkable to not make more designs as deemed necessary using those components.

 

[hugh]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?
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The origin of the news for context

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, şirketin 10 yıllık planlarını anlattı

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii AŞ (TUSAŞ) Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, 2034'e kadar yaklaşık 500 KAAN, HÜRJET ve HÜRKUŞ, 350'den fazla GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 ve benzeri platformların üretimini planladıklarını belirtti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

"Bizim önümüzde 2034'e kadar ne var diye baktığımızda, yaklaşık 500 KAAN, HÜRJET ve HÜRKUŞ üretimi var. 350'nin üzerinde GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 ve benzeri platformların üretimleri görünüyor. 600'e yakın ANKA-3, ATAK, ANKA-1, Aksungur ve benzeri platformları görüyoruz. 20'ye yakın irili ufaklı uydu hesap ediyoruz. Bu, bugüne kadar yaptığımızın çok ötesinde bir seri üretim demek. Ayrıca, 2034'te 12 milyar dolarlık ciro hedefliyoruz."

Google Translation:

"When we look at what lies ahead of us until 2034, there is production of approximately 500 KAAN, HÜRJET and HÜRKUŞ. We see production of over 350 GÖKBEY, ATAK, ATAK-2 and similar platforms. We see nearly 600 ANKA-3, ATAK, ANKA-1, Aksungur and similar platforms. We calculate nearly 20 satellites of all sizes. This means mass production far beyond what we have done so far. In addition, we are targeting a revenue of 12 billion dollars in 2034."

 

[Spitfire9]

What is that plan, to produce ~500 Kaan till 2034?

Who is going to buy 500 Hurkus, Hurjet, KAAN combined by 2034? I don't know anything about Hurkus but Hurjet is up against T7-A, a formidable competitor. KAAN is up against ITAR/CAATSA, although a preference for Muslim countries to buy from Turkiye gives it a unique advantage over other 5G aircraft. And a further big advantage when TF35000 is fitted (having a non-US engine).

If a Eurofighter order is confirmed in 2025, I imagine that new EF could be supplied from 2028. The ex-RAF tranche 1 aircraft, presumably to be supplied to TuAF, should help to speed up training and induction of the new EF supplied, shouldn't they?

I see EF as a useful insurance against slippage in the KAAN program and, of course, against the now unstable US leadership creating problems with engine supply. Further political problems may be created by Erdogan moving further away from democratic values. Turning Turkiye further towards dictatorship may jeopardise the smooth progress of an EF deal.

I wonder how fast development of KAAN systems can progress and how long it will take for in service KAAN to reach a capability useful to TuAF.

Regarding TF35000, will orders for KAAN be reduced in anticipation of the TF35000 becoming available? Ideally Turkiye will receive as few KAAN as possible with a foreign engine. That is at odds with producing a very large number for TuAF by 2034.

 

[Saithan]

I don't believe in that political speech either. We don't have that kind of money to spend, and doubt they'll materialize more than 10-15% of that.

I mean we already have atak, he going to include what we already have in the inventory ?