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Ok got it misinterpretation , saw supersonic -hypersonic as supersonic vs hypersonic .
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Just check, how big supersonic wind tunnels are.
Look at the ones that NASA is using.
Biggest one is the Abe Silverstein wind tunnel. That is 10 ft x 10 ft.
Glenn Research centre uses a 8 x 6 ft supersonic wind tunnel.
Aerolab Services offers supersonic wind tunnels of 1inch x 1inch and 12inch x 12inch supersonic wind tunnels.
Most important one is the subsonic ones. You get that one right then you are halfway there.
It is not a big deal to produce supersonic wind tunnels. A lot of Universities and research centres have it.
Hypersonic wind tunnels are a different ball game. They are quite different and need quite a bit of engineering. Currently, China, Russia, US, India, Japan, UK and France have hypersonic wind tunnels in varying levels. Some are industrial scale some are university research level.
China’s JF22 can test theoretically wind speeds of Mach 30, simulating 30-40km altitude.
Look at the ones that NASA is using.
Biggest one is the Abe Silverstein wind tunnel. That is 10 ft x 10 ft.
Glenn Research centre uses a 8 x 6 ft supersonic wind tunnel.
Aerolab Services offers supersonic wind tunnels of 1inch x 1inch and 12inch x 12inch supersonic wind tunnels.
Most important one is the subsonic ones. You get that one right then you are halfway there.
It is not a big deal to produce supersonic wind tunnels. A lot of Universities and research centres have it.
Hypersonic wind tunnels are a different ball game. They are quite different and need quite a bit of engineering. Currently, China, Russia, US, India, Japan, UK and France have hypersonic wind tunnels in varying levels. Some are industrial scale some are university research level.
China’s JF22 can test theoretically wind speeds of Mach 30, simulating 30-40km altitude.
I want to remind this tweet from 2019
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We just might see Hurjet flying in a few days time
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I have red the news saying that turkey is open for a collaboration from any foreign country to develop the TF-X , does that mean turkey at the moment is struggling on this project and it could be canceled in case no foreign help is found ?
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wouldn't this backfire on the PR aspect ? I mean everyone will see that turkey is desperate for any kind of help to keep the project going .
plus , no offence but do you think turkey have the political power to do so ? I mean what if russia , china or eygpt asked turkey the nato partner to join the tf-x project . would turkey accept or reject ? I have asked kinda the same question on the S400 thread and from what I see from the turkish member here that turkey have almost 0 authority on it's s400 program .
sorry to ask you these kind of question but that news regarding the tf-x is quite vague
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Hürkuş was in series, now Hürjet will be serialized
We have the Hürkuş, which is currently in mass production, that we have finished, this is our propeller training and attack aircraft. We are flying this jet-powered Hürjet, with God's permission. The end of 2022, the beginning of 2023, again on March 18, 2023 We are flying with the 100th anniversary of the foundation of our Republic and the victory of Çanakkale. This goes into series in 2025. Hürkuş was in the series, now Hürjet will be put into the series.
MMU to be delivered in 2028
National Combat Aircraft is running the engine in the hangar in 2023. Engine roll-out. We fly in 2025, deliver in 2028. It is to be delivered twice a month. This type of aircraft, you know from the F-35, costs about 100 million dollars. Two a month, 24 a year means a turnover of 2.4 billion dollars. National Combat Aircraft alone.
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We have the Hürkuş, which is currently in mass production, that we have finished, this is our propeller training and attack aircraft. We are flying this jet-powered Hürjet, with God's permission. The end of 2022, the beginning of 2023, again on March 18, 2023 We are flying with the 100th anniversary of the foundation of our Republic and the victory of Çanakkale. This goes into series in 2025. Hürkuş was in the series, now Hürjet will be put into the series.
MMU to be delivered in 2028
National Combat Aircraft is running the engine in the hangar in 2023. Engine roll-out. We fly in 2025, deliver in 2028. It is to be delivered twice a month. This type of aircraft, you know from the F-35, costs about 100 million dollars. Two a month, 24 a year means a turnover of 2.4 billion dollars. National Combat Aircraft alone.
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It is NOT about MMU.
Lets look ahead of things
What are you Thoughts?
Lets look ahead of things
What are you Thoughts?
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No, TFX will be first and probably last human driven airframe of fifth/sixth generation developed by Turkey, you have couple of decades to mature and perfect it while slowly shift to AI airplanes untill those become superior in every possible sense.
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Defense Turkey: You said that there is a serious need for personnel for MMU?
Temel KOTİL: Yes, we continue to buy. We have now come to 1,000 engineers at MMU. We passed 4,000 in the company. What we bought 4-5 years ago has now started to become experienced. It is a motion, that is, a self-sustaining mechanism. We, as TAI, will solve our problem, hopefully we will find 10,000 engineers. However, the important thing is not to find these engineers and build the plane, we are also responsible for the rest. New models will also be made, it will not just stop as it is.
Defense Turkey: Is a double version of MMU planned? For example, there are projects of other countries for the use of offensive UAVs from the back seat, is it also considered in MMU in that respect?
Temel KOTİL: In the 5th generation fighter aircraft, the pilot uses more weapon systems rather than using the aircraft, the aircraft is self-propelled. For example, let's say the pilot fainted, God forbid, he immediately maneuvers back to his base and lands on his own. In other words, computer support and Artificial Intelligence support are at a high level in new generation warplanes. So we also have a Cockpit but no pilot.
Defense Turkey: Sir, from the perspective of an aeronautical engineer, what do you think is the most challenging part of the MMU? Engine or avionics or something else?
Temel KOTİL: MMU is a total work. Our primary goal is to perform the first engine start on March 18, 2023. Our next goal is to take off the plane on March 18, 2025 and deliver our first plane on March 18, 2028. An airplane is like a living creature, neither easy nor difficult. We found and brought together people to do it, then we set up the necessary infrastructures, and then we do it like a normal business. It is not a miraculous job, but it requires labor-intensive, idea-intensive work, tears and sweat.
Defense Turkey: You mentioned the jet powered UAV at the previous TEKNOFEST. Can we get information about the latest situation?
Temel KOTİL: As TUSAŞ, we have work to do, but we are currently focused on March 18, 2023. Our primary goals are to run MMU engines, Hürjet flights, and ATAK-2 flights. These are indispensable for us right now; other projects after that. Because 18 months are left, now we are counting the months.
Defense Turkey: Gökbey has started flights now. When will deliveries begin?
Temel KOTİL: Deliveries will start next year, I hope. After that, we will start mass production and start exporting to all other forces and abroad. He's gone from the nest now.
Defense Turkey: Will there be Aksungur deliveries to the navy this year?
Temel KOTİL: Yes, all of them are given. We have two planes in the air at TEKNOFEST right now. One came from Ankara and the other from Antalya. Aksungur can stay in the air for up to 50 hours.
Defense Turkey: Temel, do you have a new export good news for this year?
Temel KOTİL: We already say what we do. We sent ANKAs to Tunisia. Philippines' ATAKs are being made. We explain the exports as we make them.
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Temel KOTİL: Yes, we continue to buy. We have now come to 1,000 engineers at MMU. We passed 4,000 in the company. What we bought 4-5 years ago has now started to become experienced. It is a motion, that is, a self-sustaining mechanism. We, as TAI, will solve our problem, hopefully we will find 10,000 engineers. However, the important thing is not to find these engineers and build the plane, we are also responsible for the rest. New models will also be made, it will not just stop as it is.
Defense Turkey: Is a double version of MMU planned? For example, there are projects of other countries for the use of offensive UAVs from the back seat, is it also considered in MMU in that respect?
Temel KOTİL: In the 5th generation fighter aircraft, the pilot uses more weapon systems rather than using the aircraft, the aircraft is self-propelled. For example, let's say the pilot fainted, God forbid, he immediately maneuvers back to his base and lands on his own. In other words, computer support and Artificial Intelligence support are at a high level in new generation warplanes. So we also have a Cockpit but no pilot.
Defense Turkey: Sir, from the perspective of an aeronautical engineer, what do you think is the most challenging part of the MMU? Engine or avionics or something else?
Temel KOTİL: MMU is a total work. Our primary goal is to perform the first engine start on March 18, 2023. Our next goal is to take off the plane on March 18, 2025 and deliver our first plane on March 18, 2028. An airplane is like a living creature, neither easy nor difficult. We found and brought together people to do it, then we set up the necessary infrastructures, and then we do it like a normal business. It is not a miraculous job, but it requires labor-intensive, idea-intensive work, tears and sweat.
Defense Turkey: You mentioned the jet powered UAV at the previous TEKNOFEST. Can we get information about the latest situation?
Temel KOTİL: As TUSAŞ, we have work to do, but we are currently focused on March 18, 2023. Our primary goals are to run MMU engines, Hürjet flights, and ATAK-2 flights. These are indispensable for us right now; other projects after that. Because 18 months are left, now we are counting the months.
Defense Turkey: Gökbey has started flights now. When will deliveries begin?
Temel KOTİL: Deliveries will start next year, I hope. After that, we will start mass production and start exporting to all other forces and abroad. He's gone from the nest now.
Defense Turkey: Will there be Aksungur deliveries to the navy this year?
Temel KOTİL: Yes, all of them are given. We have two planes in the air at TEKNOFEST right now. One came from Ankara and the other from Antalya. Aksungur can stay in the air for up to 50 hours.
Defense Turkey: Temel, do you have a new export good news for this year?
Temel KOTİL: We already say what we do. We sent ANKAs to Tunisia. Philippines' ATAKs are being made. We explain the exports as we make them.
TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel KOTİL: Bizim İçin TEKNOFEST’in En Önemli Tarafı Gençlerimizle Doğrudan Görüşme İmkânı Buluyoruz
İstanbul`da ATATÜRK Havalimanı’nda gerçekleştirilen TEKNOFEST’i 21 etkinliğinde, Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii A.Ş. (TUSAŞ) Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel KOTİL ile TEKNOFEST ve TUSAŞ`ın devam eden projeleri hakkında kısa bir söyleşi gerçekleştirdik.
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Turkeys next-gen national combat aircraft MMU in Turkish, also known as TF-X is a single-seat, twin-engine all-weather multi-role fighter developed by Turkish aerospace (TUSAS) with technological assistance from bae systems. The MMU/TF-X will replace the f-4e 2020 phantom and f-16c/d fighting falcon aircraft currently in service during the first quarter of the 2030s. The cost for the prototype is estimated at us$120m but each series-production MMU/TF-X is targeted to cost $80m.
Featuring stealth and supercruise capabilities and to be equipped with domestically-developed systems and sensors, the MMU/TF-X will be a 5th generation indigenous air superiority fighter with secondary ground-attack capability. The MMU/TF-X prototype will be in block-0 (4+ generation aircraft) configuration and is expected to be rolled out in 2023 (planned for March 18, 2023), when turkey will celebrate its 100th anniversary of the founding of the republic. Following ground tests that are scheduled to start sometime in 2024 and to last around two years, the maiden flight will be performed in December 2026. MMU/TF-X delivery to the TurAF will commence in 2029 and the first aircraft expected to enter TurAF service in 2029 will be in Block-i configuration. The TurAF is expected to declare initial operational capability (IOC) with block-i MMU/TF-X in 2031. According to the programme schedule, TUSAS will start MMU/TF-X Block-iI (in full 5th generation fighter configuration) deliveries in 2031and following their entrance into TurAF service, full operational capability (FOC) will be declared by the end of 2032.
Featuring stealth and supercruise capabilities and to be equipped with domestically-developed systems and sensors, the MMU/TF-X will be a 5th generation indigenous air superiority fighter with secondary ground-attack capability. The MMU/TF-X prototype will be in block-0 (4+ generation aircraft) configuration and is expected to be rolled out in 2023 (planned for March 18, 2023), when turkey will celebrate its 100th anniversary of the founding of the republic. Following ground tests that are scheduled to start sometime in 2024 and to last around two years, the maiden flight will be performed in December 2026. MMU/TF-X delivery to the TurAF will commence in 2029 and the first aircraft expected to enter TurAF service in 2029 will be in Block-i configuration. The TurAF is expected to declare initial operational capability (IOC) with block-i MMU/TF-X in 2031. According to the programme schedule, TUSAS will start MMU/TF-X Block-iI (in full 5th generation fighter configuration) deliveries in 2031and following their entrance into TurAF service, full operational capability (FOC) will be declared by the end of 2032.
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How likely is a participation of Poland on TFX?
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‘Much more on the way’ in Turkey-Poland defense cooperation
Cooperation in defense and trade with Poland that has become the first NATO or European Union member state to acquire drones from Turkey will continue at a...
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When TFX rolls out and when it performs first flight a lot of countries will want to buy it...How likely is a participation of Poland on TFX?
‘Much more on the way’ in Turkey-Poland defense cooperation
Cooperation in defense and trade with Poland that has become the first NATO or European Union member state to acquire drones from Turkey will continue at a...
