TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Huelague]

Again, how many weapons can TFX carry in his weapon bays?

 

[TR_123456]

Again, how many weapons can TFX carry in his weapon bays?

Looks like 8 missiles.

 

[tayyare]

Looks like 8 missiles.
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I imagine it would be similar to F22 with 2 Sidewinder + 6 AMRAAM equivalent, but do we have any confirmations?

 

[TR_123456]

I imagine it would be similar to F22 with 2 Sidewinder + 6 AMRAAM equivalent, but do we have any confirmations?

Confirmation comes with first roll out,before that anything can change.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Most importantly according to Gürcan Okumuş, It will be able to house SOM-J inside the internal weapons bays.

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[Zapper]

Looks like 8 missiles.
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How many can fit in the internal weapons bay and how many external hardpoints?

 

[TR_123456]

How many can fit in the internal weapons bay and how many external hardpoints?

Probably 8 missiles internal and 6 external hardpoints.

 

[AzeriTank]

How many can fit in the internal weapons bay and how many external hardpoints?

it designed to be fitted with ramjet powered air to air missiles too like the Turkish version called Gokhan, which will be tested this year.

 

[Zapper]

Probably 8 missiles internal and 6 external hardpoints.

8 internal is pretty big number. Even the J-20 being one of the largest 5th gen fighter can only accommodate 4 AAMs (PL series) in it's internal weapons bay with another 4 external hardpoints

The length and wingspan of J-20 & TFX are identical though TFX is taller while J-20 has more wing area. Do you think TFX will have double racked missiles to fit 8x given it's height? but if that's the case, the bulkier body might possible compromise stealth to some extent

 

[Nilgiri]

8 internal is pretty big number. Even the J-20 being one of the largest 5th gen fighter can only accommodate 4 AAMs (PL series) in it's internal weapons bay with another 4 external hardpoints

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The length and wingspan of J-20 & TFX are identical though TFX is taller while J-20 has more wing area. Do you think TFX will have double racked missiles to fit 8x given it's height? but if that's the case, the bulkier body might possible compromise stealth to some extent

J-20 has 4 (main bay) + another 2 (one on each side in the rotation dolley thing they have there in that side volume) = 6 "internal"

The extra 2 in side are IIRC shorter range AAM.

But there is talk that J-20 can stagger 6 in the main bay if they incorporate another mechanism for it. so 6 + 2, similar to F-22.

TF-X will definitely want to have 8 (similar 6 + 2) at its current volumetric concept.

 

[Huelague]

Looks like 8 missiles.
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I thing more on 6 AAM. What about the weapon load capacity?

 

[Barry]

with that volume my nickname for the plane sticks tbh

 

[TR_123456]

8 internal is pretty big number. Even the J-20 being one of the largest 5th gen fighter can only accommodate 4 AAMs (PL series) in it's internal weapons bay with another 4 external hardpoints

View attachment 38730

The length and wingspan of J-20 & TFX are identical though TFX is taller while J-20 has more wing area. Do you think TFX will have double racked missiles to fit 8x given it's height? but if that's the case, the bulkier body might possible compromise stealth to some extent

Has to be double racked but the body doesnt look bulky enough.
We need to wait for 2023 to see what it will be.

 

[TR_123456]

I thing more on 6 AAM. What about the weapon load capacity?

Overall no concrete data yet.

 

[Zapper]

J-20 has 4 (main bay) + another 2 (one on each side in the rotation dolley thing they have there in that side volume) = 6 "internal"

The extra 2 in side are IIRC shorter range AAM.

But there is talk that J-20 can stagger 6 in the main bay if they incorporate another mechanism for it. so 6 + 2, similar to F-22.

TF-X will definitely want to have 8 (similar 6 + 2) at its current volumetric concept.

6 seems feasible but 8 is hard to fit horizontally next to each other unless vertically stacked which will result in a bulkier undercarriage

AMCA's IWB is shown in the below picture

 

[Yasar_TR]

TFX internal bays’ original size may have not allowed many missiles. In fact even SOM-J would not be accommodated. But Tubitak Sage MD has stated clearly that the SOM-J will be carried inside. That is a big missile. So the internal bays’ design must have changed. Until March 2023, we can only speculate.
Also you can’t really compare PL15 with Aim-120 amraam. PL15 is a 4m long 20cm diameter missile, where as amraam is 3.7m long and 18cm diameter.
Also if we are thinking of a meteor like ramjet missile, then Meteor is even very slightly smaller than amraam. So, it should fit in to the same bays.
What is most interesting is that , TUSAS’s site states that:
“Precise and accurate weapon firing from internal weapon bays at high/supersonic speed”
That is something F35 pilot has to think twice, as supersonic speeds damage the plane’s coating and the plane cannot open doors above 1.2 Mach at altitude. Plus at or below 25000ft it has to slow down drastically before opening bay doors due to over heating.
We also need to remember that all our dimensions and weapon platforms have to be in line with NATO standards for interoperability.

 

[Lonewolf]

TFX internal bays’ original size may have not allowed many missiles. In fact even SOM-J would not be accommodated. But Tubitak Sage MD has stated clearly that the SOM-J will be carried inside. That is a big missile. So the internal bays’ design must have changed. Until March 2023, we can only speculate.
Also you can’t really compare PL15 with Aim-120 amraam. PL15 is a 4m long 20cm diameter missile, where as amraam is 3.7m long and 18cm diameter.
Also if we are thinking of a meteor like ramjet missile, then Meteor is even very slightly smaller than amraam. So, it should fit in to the same bays.
What is most interesting is that , TUSAS’s site states that:
“Precise and accurate weapon firing from internal weapon bays at high/supersonic speed”
That is something F35 pilot has to think twice, as supersonic speeds damage the plane’s coating and the plane cannot open doors above 1.2 Mach at altitude. Plus at or below 25000ft it has to slow down drastically before opening bay doors due to over heating.
We also need to remember that all our dimensions and weapon platforms have to be in line with NATO standards for interoperability.

F 35 was designed to release missile at mach 1.5+ ,but all these restrictions arise during flight testing , but f 35 's coat is quite maintenance intensive so that can be a factor .

Any ground based firing of gokhan missile ? Any model ?

 

[Anmdt]

They still haven't told much or anything about MUMT capability of Hurjet or TF-X, it is expectable for TF-X (due to the wingman concept) but MUMT can also be useful for ground strikes or using UAVs as forward sensors for operational planning. That will for sure raise the chances of Hurjet in exports;

A light combat aircraft that can up-link with UAVs to monitor the ground with SAR / EO / IR payload, or use some IRST to scan and acquire a simple aerial image before arriving at the location.

 

[Yasar_TR]

F 35 was designed to release missile at mach 1.5+ ,but all these restrictions arise during flight testing , but f 35 's coat is quite maintenance intensive so that can be a factor .

Any ground based firing of gokhan missile ? Any model ?

Re: f35
As well as increasing the RCS of the plane while opening weapon bay doors (apparently for over 4 seconds) , when the plane is at 25000ft or lower there is significant overheating problem of the surfaces If the plane has flown for more than 10 minutes at that altitude, which hinders the operation of weapon bay doors.
Re: Gökhan
According to Tubitak MD there were well over 200 firing tests carried out last year. From little bit of news that trickles out to the media, we know that they are producing a liquid fuel powered ramjet. He has said that Ramjet is almost ready and they have turned their attention to the development of the scramjet. The missile is going to be a liquid fuel powered (most likely Gel Based) ramjet.