TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[RMZN]

yeah ofc he's not lying. there's a mixup somewhere in the chain.

what baffled me was the lack of fact checking of the defence publications. like how can you believe that this is the second prototype? why doesn't anyone raise any questions? aren't you supposed to know a little bit better than the usual, clueless spectators?

what a gullible bunch. it speaks volumes for the state of journalism in this country.

well it was a before unseen photo and it was first posted as a pixelated "leaked image" shot via phone.

 

[Strong AI]

What did they smoke?

In the second prototype of KAAN, it was observed that there were significant design changes compared to the first prototype, particularly with the reduction of the aircraft's nose section.

İşte KAAN savaş uçağının ikinci prototipi! | SavunmaSanayiST

KAAN savaş uçağının ikinci prototipi, ilk kez görüntülendi. Milli savaş uçağının yeni prototipinde, önemli tasarımsal değişikliklerin olduğu gözlemlendi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Huelague]

how to make sense of this hot mess? all of the defence publications jumped on it and shared it as the new prototype(including DefenceTurk). none of them questions the absurdity and serve it as it is from the horse's mouth. some(Tolga Özbek) are even scolding his followers, saying "do you think Haluk Görgün is lying"?

Not lying, but maybe misinterpreting.

 

[hugh]

This is from Dec 20th,2024

and this is today(not even a month later)

so at this rate, we're on track to deliver 20 KAANs this year, two years before the original schedule!

 

[Oublious]

This is from Dec 20th,2024

and this is today(not even a month later)

so at this rate, we're on track to deliver 20 KAANs this year, two years before the original schedule!

maybe that was the 5th prototype?

 

[Turkic]

maybe that was the 5th prototype?

I was going to laugh in first but this may have some logic tho. They're showing a photo saying it's P1 but most of us think it's most probably not. So there is something wrong here. Same could be for the photo from the production lane. It was told to be P1 but it may be P2 or P3 just as you say.

The first thing I noticed was not the signature on it. It was IRST and EOTS just as @KAAN noticed. It was clearly told the P1 will have these. Sure there's something weird but the question is at what point ?

 

[Samba]

The photo has a printer fighter which is not expected nor acceptable for a prototype.

P1 p2 are being produced and this was stated many times before. Haluk Gorgun states that it is P1 but maybe he wants to express that p1 is close state of being completed for further tests.

 

[Oublious]

Our second Kaan....

 

[hugh]

Our second Kaan....

it is not the second KAAN. please have some common sense. A month ago Haluk Görgün shared the bulkheads of the aircraft and in the same tweet he explicitly said it's the second prototype.

we've been over this. there is a misunderstanding. what you see on that photo is the first prototype. 100%

 

[Oublious]

it is not the second KAAN. please have some common sense. A month ago Haluk Görgün shared the bulkheads of the aircraft and in the same tweet he explicitly said it's the second prototype.

we've been over this. there is a misunderstanding. what you see on that photo is the first prototype. 100%

He says second fighters in the video. Didn't see the tweet what you are writing about. We should ask people where it is or find the complete video of this meeting.

 

[hugh]

He says second fighters in the video. Didn't saw the tweet what you are writing about, we should ask people who wher ther or find the complete video off this meeting.

"2025 yılı sonunda ilk uçuşunu gerçekleştirecek ikinci prototipimizin üretim ve montaj faaliyetlerini yerinde inceledik."

Translation: "We examined the production and assembly activities of our second prototype, which will make its first flight at the end of 2025."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870038708079964305

 

[Huelague]

KAAN - II , 6. Gen. Fighter Jet.

 

[Huelague]

What do you think about a retractable and flexible rudder? I mean the vertical stabilizers, where they can be but from a horizontal position in to a vertical position. I saw this in an animation video of a Japanese 6.gen fighter jet.

 

[uçuyorum]

What do you think about a retractable and flexible rudder? I mean the vertical stabilizers, where they can be but from a horizontal position in to a vertical position. I saw this in an animation video of a Japanese 6.gen fighter jet.

Lots of mechanical complexity and will probably increase the radar reflectivity if anything at the joint

 

[Huelague]

Lots of mechanical complexity and will probably increase the radar reflectivity if anything at the joint

A retractable rudder has the purpose to minimize the RCS. But yes, the mechanical is complex. Where we lack a little bit…

 

[IC3M@N FX]

A serious question, how likely is it that Turkey will participate in the Tempest project after completion of the TAI KAAN project (serial machine), say in 5-6 years. E.g. preliminary talks in 2-3 years to join the Tempest project and run it parallel as a future investment + technology transfer.
In addition, a production line for parts would give us a second mainstay.
Call me crazy, but I keep hearing that the UK and Italy are seeking closer cooperation with Turkey.
Somehow I get the feeling that they could be taking a multi-pronged approach. Turkey will always strive for independence and develop its own fighter aircraft, but it will also look for synergies to keep its own product at the cutting edge of technology.

Both Italy with Leonardo and the UK with BAE have signalled their intention to work together on various projects, e.g. Baykar through Italy and BAE with Turkey Eurofighter and other Projects.

 

[Huelague]

A serious question, how likely is it that Turkey will participate in the Tempest project after completion of the TAI KAAN project (serial machine), say in 5-6 years. E.g. preliminary talks in 2-3 years to join the Tempest project and run it parallel as a future investment + technology transfer.
In addition, a production line for parts would give us a second mainstay.
Call me crazy, but I keep hearing that the UK and Italy are seeking closer cooperation with Turkey.
Somehow I get the feeling that they could be taking a multi-pronged approach. Turkey will always strive for independence and develop its own fighter aircraft, but it will also look for synergies to keep its own product at the cutting edge of technology.

It’s very likely, as far as our conditions will be accepted, full ToT. But hard conditions are expected, workshare, participation, penalty payments, aso. They know, we are able to produce the fighter on our own. No need for silly games or in vain trying to stop our progress. They don’t need an additional contracting party. If you can’t fight your opponent, lead them or make him partner. Beside of this, we have all the necessary personnel’s and infrastructure to do this participation.
GB, Japan, Italy and Sweden, all of them have aviation facilities and much experience in this sector. If Türkiye can join this project, the end product can be so marvelously, that even I can get a harder

 

[Sanchez]

after completion of the TAI KAAN project

Kaan will not be "completed" in the next 20 years. "Full" version is expected about 10 years later, design improvements will keep on coming for at least 15-20 more years after that.

GCAP is a multi nation program, and now a joint venture between the three countries like Eurofighter is. We wouldn't own the IP and wouldn't be a part of the R&D, there are already thousands of people working on it. We could be a second rate participant in the program if they decide to enlarge it, or a user.

 

[Hannibal]

They may have changed the position of the vertical stabilizers. Because height has dropped by almost 1 meter. The vertical stabilizers on the engine humps made the Kaan very tall. Either they made the Kaan slimmer (which I doubt) or they changed the position of the vstabs to make the Kaan shorter.

It's now very similar to F-22 Dimensions, almost identical wingspan, and height. But the Kaan is longer.

Hopefully they make it even smaller, to allow navy carrier operations in the future.

 

[2033]

A serious question, how likely is it that Turkey will participate in the Tempest project after completion of the TAI KAAN project (serial machine), say in 5-6 years. E.g. preliminary talks in 2-3 years to join the Tempest project and run it parallel as a future investment + technology transfer.
In addition, a production line for parts would give us a second mainstay.
Call me crazy, but I keep hearing that the UK and Italy are seeking closer cooperation with Turkey.
Somehow I get the feeling that they could be taking a multi-pronged approach. Turkey will always strive for independence and develop its own fighter aircraft, but it will also look for synergies to keep its own product at the cutting edge of technology.

Both Italy with Leonardo and the UK with BAE have signalled their intention to work together on various projects, e.g. Baykar through Italy and BAE with Turkey Eurofighter and other Projects.

In such technological partnerships, how is technology shared? For example, does one country develop the radar, another the engine, and another the cockpit? While it may not be exactly like this, is there a similar division? Because if I am developing the radar, why would I share its technology with the other partners? Each country likely contributes to the aircraft in the area they are strong in, but they might not gain access to the technologies developed by others. I actually think joint ventures dont involve deep technology sharing.