TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Khagan1923]

"Turkish Aerospace "very close" to announcing second international customer for KAAN after Indonesia - CEO at Paris Air Show. Says issues such as F-35 'kill switch' debate, availability, price, tech transfer, MRO, etc all play to KAAN's strengths"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934906417128911021

I might be mistaken but this is a new model, no?
Seems they finally decided to get rid of the old one.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@TheInsider
Any hints here that you can provide?

 

[TheInsider]

@TheInsider
Any hints here that you can provide?

I heard Saudis are one step ahead, and they want up to 100 Kaans, but those negotiations are like football transfers.

News started to circulate, i think the engine team reached a big milestone and possible customers are mostly convinced about the engine.

 

[Baryshx]

All Arab leaders and governments are easily bought. They are Jewish, British, and American agents and lackeys who have no sense of patriotism or national pride. We must not give away our national values, such as Kaan, to the Arabs.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Israel will never allow Middle Eastern countries other than itself to have F-35s. In this regard, it is quite possible that KAAN will see serious demand in the Gulf market. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, must be eagerly waiting to have KAANs because they will not be able to buy F-35s due to pressure from Israel.

The Saudis in particular must be very eager for KAAN.

 

[Philip the Arab]

All Arab leaders and governments are easily bought. They are Jewish, British, and American agents and lackeys who have no sense of patriotism or national pride. We must not give away our national values, such as Kaan, to the Arabs.

Good thing the Turkish government doesn’t think emotionally like you.

Turkey can actually make a bloc dependent on it if it plays its cards right.

 

[Baryshx]

Good thing the Turkish government doesn’t think emotionally like you.

Turkey can actually make a bloc dependent on it if it plays its cards right.

Emotional? Essentially, our government thinks emotionally. Countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia have openly supported Fetö and other religious organizations, attempting to destroy the Turkish Republic and its government. Yes, I am very emotional. Normally, we should destroy these countries.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Emotional? Essentially, our government thinks emotionally. Countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia have openly supported Fetö and other religious organizations, attempting to destroy the Turkish Republic and its government. Yes, I am very emotional. Normally, we should destroy these countries.

Export version should be fine, I guess.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Emotional? Essentially, our government thinks emotionally. Countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia have openly supported Fetö and other religious organizations, attempting to destroy the Turkish Republic and its government. Yes, I am very emotional. Normally, we should destroy these countries.

Do you not understand that geopolitics are extremely complicated? West Asia is even more complicated, and you must play your cards right in order to come on top.

Huge fault of the Iranians was making enemies and frenemies with everyone in the region, and leaving them isolated.

@Angry Turk !!! is completely right, and exporting will increase Turkish R&D and lower the unit cost of the KAAN allowing Turkey to buy more, and have cheaper maintenance. It doesn't have to be as good as the Turkish version, but it will still outclass any 4th or 4++ gen fighter.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

This will depend on the next administration.

I'm sure UAE and Qatar could receive KAAN. But if CHP or their allies take the seat KSA would likely need to make some concessions and reassurances before a deal is made. Reason being that KSA played a big role in the rise of AKP and Islamist groups in Türkiye. This goes back decades and has set back the nation quite a bit. There would be some reluctance to arm them despite their new image.

Although there's some conflicting interests with UAE and alleged support for FETÖ, this is much more recent and less deep rooted.

I'd actually say that the rebrand of Saudi Arabia and UAEs good PR may actually result in close cooperation between them and a CHP-led Türkiye. But with KSA, this would take some time to rebuild trust. This would frighten both Iran and Israel, unless they're willing to cooperate, time will tell.


I think we could see KAAN sold to an assortment of middle eastern countries. The biggest hurdle would be Israeli opposition to this. They definitely wouldn't want any of their neighbors to have KAAN.

 

[Barry]

Feel like KAAN is something you'd want to keep native unless you had better tech and specs coming out that made 3rd nations knowing the ins and outs of your jet a moot point?

Plus who knows how the next traitors in government will roadblock Turkish military development and technological independence. Surprised we got this far with diet-Iranian leadership the last 20 years.

 

[Zafer]

 

[Huelague]

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Ukraine is also interested ?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

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Kazakhstan is a maybe, we'll see

 

[Zafer]

Ukraine is also interested ?

Ukraine and Kazaktsan maybe interested but should we be selling them as they are in choke-hold of Russia. However things can change in a decade, so there is some small likelihood but I wouldn't consider it a given just now.

 

[Zafer]

Once in production and deliveries start the issue of safeguarding Kaan technology will need to be addressed. We know F35 had some stipulations to protect its technology. So Kaan should make some stipulations too; like probably personnel to deal with Kaan must be carefully screened and other similar precautions. I would give Kaan some self awareness that will help monitor what is happening to it and report to monitors.

 

[Zafer]

Stealth fighter aircraft nations with the latest generation they may be eyeing

 

[uçuyorum]

As strategic an asset as Kaan is, think like this, we still have F16 and F4. These are planes others have and know everything about. And are now outdated. F35 is also a plane others have and know a lot about, but if we had access to it we wouldn't have too many worries about the defense of our skies for most cases. So like, since we had no worries relying on such planes til yesterday, is others having access to Kaan going to be such a big worry now?

When we get Kaan it will be a massive upgrade, selling it to several others won't be that bad, countries around us already have access to Rafale, Eurofighter, F15 etc, which are superior to unupgraded F16. if they buy Kaan from us it creates some level of dependency on us as a bonus. And Kaan will likely be better for having sold more. They could eventually buy J35, Su57 or F35, would that be better?

 

[TheInsider]

FCAS will die. Germany and Spain will leave the program, and France will continue FCAS alone. Germany wants %50-50 partnership while France wants Germany to be a sidekick. I won't be surprised if Spain gets Kaan after Hurjet. GCAP will also see major delays. The US will offer Japan F-55 and F-47.

 

[chibiyabi]

Even if we put aside the issue of spying between the two countries, are you in a position to know how Indonesian politicians perceive the KF-X/IF-X program?
Furthermore, it is extremely offensive to blame South Korea for the sinking of your 40-year-old 209-class submarine in 2021, which underwent an overhaul in 2012.
I even saw news reports that the submarine had not been submerged since 2018 and that the accident occurred after it was submerged in 2021.
If South Korea was involved in that accident, there should be more credible evidence to support that claim. At the very least, an official investigation report should be presented. Otherwise, it would be an insult to the crew members of your country who are still resting at the bottom of the sea.

what happen in indo defence show clear sign regarding indo procurement weapon from SoKor, what ever reason behind that..

don't forgot about 3 chang bo go class.. not old as that germany made, but its also cant submerge