TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Lool]

There s one thing that is most disturbing about the latest meeting between Trump and RTE.
When asked about if F35 planes will be delivered to Turkey and Caatsa sanctions will be lifted, Trump said “First, Mr Erdogan needs to do something for me. Then we will see”

This means that there is a difficult decision to be made by RTE. And the lifting of Caatsa etc will depend on the outcome of that decision.

If we were to elaborate and extrapolate from similar events:

1. US has asked Japan and South Korea to invest in USA so that they will get favourable customs duty tariffs. For the two nations this is in excess of 900 billion dollars. In fact recently they have been asked to make this as an upfront cash payment. Has he asked RTE for something similar?

2. Is it something to do with rich Rare-Earth ore we have in Eskisehir?

3. Has he been asked to give large concessions in Syria?

4. Has he been asked to relinquish S400 in one way or another? Has he been asked to stop all oil and gas trade with Russia?

5. Is Baykar’s potential investment in US, part of point 1?

Something smells real dirty and fishy with all this at the aftermath of the meeting at White House.

Only time will tell tbh

However, and this is just my opinion, I believe that if the condition to cancel CAATSA is either one of points no. 2,3,&5 then I would prefer Turkey to remain under CAATSA sanctions for 5 years more rather than laying down the seeds that will 100% destroy the country in the future.

Its not like Turkey will go to war with either Greece or Israel in the near future! Moreover, if there is anything that we have learned from the recent conflicts such as the Ukrainian-Russian war and the Israeli bloodbath in Iran, then current warfare isnt only dependent on fighter jets; you need to have strong EW capabilities, robust AD systems, and proper internal security

Turkey is one of the leading countries in EW capabilities, Turkey already nationalised most of the critical AD systems, including missiles reaching 150 km and radars reportedly reaching 400-500km. Turkey is also a leading player in drone warfare with stealth drones like Anka 3 and Kizilelma and Turkey has Kargu loitering munitions as well. Finally, MIT is not too shaby to allow an internal attack/public chaos as long as the SDF doesnt announce their independence in their Syria

Finally, with the firing of TEI TF-6000, it is only a matter of a couple of years till Turkey reaches the TEI TF-10000 and TF-35000. The fact that Turkey managed to fire and sustain the operation of a Turbofan engine means that Turkey have crossed the most difficult path for engine production. Thus, suffering for 2-3 more years for the greater benefit of the nation is a no brainer. Just watch what will happen when the Altay with the domestic powerpack rolls out next year; the Germans will regret the day they ever embargoed Turkey and the same will occur with the US albeit a bit later

I also want to mention that Hakan Fidan clearly said that if Turkey didnt get the engine from the US, then it will look for other suppliers and f**k the US.

 

[Strong AI]

In theory, wouldn't be the thrust of EJ200 engines enough for a pure A-A bread KAAN? And isn't it the most urgently needed role right now? Of course an integration of EJ200 in KAAN is a different story.

 

[Yasar_TR]

In theory, wouldn't be the thrust of EJ200 engines enough for a pure A-A bread KAAN? And isn't it the most urgently needed role right now? Of course an integration of EJ200 in KAAN is a different story.

Unfortunately no.

EJ200 engine develops 13500lbf dry and 20200 wet thrust.
Even in war thrust settings which can not be sustained for too long, it can only manage 15500lbf dry and 23000lbf wet thrust.

For a smaller TFX, RR had offered to redevelop EJ230 engine further to give 17500lbf dry and 27000lbf wet thrust. But at the time, this was not acceptable to us as the plane was being redesigned to get bigger.

For A-A missions you will need high thrust levels. Especially if you have to avoid incoming missiles. Both dry thrust and the wet thrust will have to be commensurate with the size of the plane to achieve required agility.


EDIT

KAAN with f110 engines can not supercruise. Its maximum speed is 1.8 Mach.
A similar sized F22 with F119 engines can supercruise at 1.8 Mach and can achieve top speed of 2.25Mach.
Powerful engine is king in the air for fighter planes. That is why we really want the TF35000 engines.