TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Lool]

There s one thing that is most disturbing about the latest meeting between Trump and RTE.
When asked about if F35 planes will be delivered to Turkey and Caatsa sanctions will be lifted, Trump said “First, Mr Erdogan needs to do something for me. Then we will see”

This means that there is a difficult decision to be made by RTE. And the lifting of Caatsa etc will depend on the outcome of that decision.

If we were to elaborate and extrapolate from similar events:

1. US has asked Japan and South Korea to invest in USA so that they will get favourable customs duty tariffs. For the two nations this is in excess of 900 billion dollars. In fact recently they have been asked to make this as an upfront cash payment. Has he asked RTE for something similar?

2. Is it something to do with rich Rare-Earth ore we have in Eskisehir?

3. Has he been asked to give large concessions in Syria?

4. Has he been asked to relinquish S400 in one way or another? Has he been asked to stop all oil and gas trade with Russia?

5. Is Baykar’s potential investment in US, part of point 1?

Something smells real dirty and fishy with all this at the aftermath of the meeting at White House.

Only time will tell tbh

However, and this is just my opinion, I believe that if the condition to cancel CAATSA is either one of points no. 2,3,&5 then I would prefer Turkey to remain under CAATSA sanctions for 5 years more rather than laying down the seeds that will 100% destroy the country in the future.

Its not like Turkey will go to war with either Greece or Israel in the near future! Moreover, if there is anything that we have learned from the recent conflicts such as the Ukrainian-Russian war and the Israeli bloodbath in Iran, then current warfare isnt only dependent on fighter jets; you need to have strong EW capabilities, robust AD systems, and proper internal security

Turkey is one of the leading countries in EW capabilities, Turkey already nationalised most of the critical AD systems, including missiles reaching 150 km and radars reportedly reaching 400-500km. Turkey is also a leading player in drone warfare with stealth drones like Anka 3 and Kizilelma and Turkey has Kargu loitering munitions as well. Finally, MIT is not too shaby to allow an internal attack/public chaos as long as the SDF doesnt announce their independence in their Syria

Finally, with the firing of TEI TF-6000, it is only a matter of a couple of years till Turkey reaches the TEI TF-10000 and TF-35000. The fact that Turkey managed to fire and sustain the operation of a Turbofan engine means that Turkey have crossed the most difficult path for engine production. Thus, suffering for 2-3 more years for the greater benefit of the nation is a no brainer. Just watch what will happen when the Altay with the domestic powerpack rolls out next year; the Germans will regret the day they ever embargoed Turkey and the same will occur with the US albeit a bit later

I also want to mention that Hakan Fidan clearly said that if Turkey didnt get the engine from the US, then it will look for other suppliers and f**k the US.

 

[Strong AI]

In theory, wouldn't be the thrust of EJ200 engines enough for a pure A-A bread KAAN? And isn't it the most urgently needed role right now? Of course an integration of EJ200 in KAAN is a different story.

 

[Yasar_TR]

In theory, wouldn't be the thrust of EJ200 engines enough for a pure A-A bread KAAN? And isn't it the most urgently needed role right now? Of course an integration of EJ200 in KAAN is a different story.

Unfortunately no.

EJ200 engine develops 13500lbf dry and 20200 wet thrust.
Even in war thrust settings which can not be sustained for too long, it can only manage 15500lbf dry and 23000lbf wet thrust.

For a smaller TFX, RR had offered to redevelop EJ230 engine further to give 17500lbf dry and 27000lbf wet thrust. But at the time, this was not acceptable to us as the plane was being redesigned to get bigger.

For A-A missions you will need high thrust levels. Especially if you have to avoid incoming missiles. Both dry thrust and the wet thrust will have to be commensurate with the size of the plane to achieve required agility.


EDIT

KAAN with f110 engines can not supercruise. Its maximum speed is 1.8 Mach.
A similar sized F22 with F119 engines can supercruise at 1.8 Mach and can achieve top speed of 2.25Mach.
Powerful engine is king in the air for fighter planes. That is why we really want the TF35000 engines.

 

[Iskander]

I'm just happy to see the progress on the new prototype (the new CEO seems more professional and trustworthy imo; would be also nice if we could hear something about the RCS facility and the testbed). Also we don't really know the details of the discussions and what they will entail. Trump might whip some congressmen for all we know, although it's not that likely. But time will tell. Fidan's press conference contained great insights for the average akp voter if they had ears to hear. You can't have a fully indigenous defense industry. That's a ridiculous goal to have, to isolate yourself from R&D expenditure of much bigger economies.

It's clear that only a few large countries have a fully national defense industry. But we see what's happening around F-35 deliveries. Moreover, it's not just about this or the KAAN engine. There's been much discussion here, so I won't repeat what's already been said.
The point is that Turkey shouldn't subordinate its foreign policy to the whims of more powerful countries, even if they're its allies. We remember the embargo imposed by one of its allies 50 years ago, at the height of the military operation in Cyprus. Ten years ago, Turkey, after the downing of a Russian bomber, found itself in a vulnerable position again.
I watched a film about the Turkish national car, the "Devrim." The engine stalled, and they abandoned it. (That damn engine again.) So they shouldn't have stopped at anything...
In the end, everything worked out with TOGG.
Why should, say, Turkic countries constantly beg the Russians for weapons? Look where our Kazakh brothers have been expecting danger for the last 150 years? Exclusively from the north! From Russia. And now look at who the Kazakhs are constantly forced to buy weapons from? From Russia! This is absurd!
Unfortunately, it's not just the Kazakhs who find themselves in this absurd situation. We are all in this dire straits.
Turkey now has the opportunity to break out of this vicious cycle and give us a chance to defend ourselves from our eternal enemy.
Before the industrial age, we possessed superior weapons for centuries.
Turkey must not become disheartened and stop halfway, as happened with Devrim. Someday it will have to carry out its own "revolution." You have suffered setbacks in the past, but today you are very close to your goal, and I have reason to believe that the current generation will be able to achieve it.

 

[begturan]

There are reports that the engines needed for Kaan prototypes have arrived. Since a total of six prototypes will be produced, we could have 12 engines in stock. Furthermore, if we use the spare engines we have for the F16s, there's a possibility of adding a squadron of Kaan fighter jets to the inventory while the TF35000 engine is developed. What are your thoughts on this possibility?

 

[Yasar_TR]

There are reports that the engines needed for Kaan prototypes have arrived. Since a total of six prototypes will be produced, we could have 12 engines in stock. Furthermore, if we use the spare engines we have for the F16s, there's a possibility of adding a squadron of Kaan fighter jets to the inventory while the TF35000 engine is developed. What are your thoughts on this possibility?

Good news if at least the engines for the prototypes are here.
f16 engines are for f16s. You can’t use them on any other plane.
F16 uses F110GE129B and set up for single engine use.

Kaan uses F110GE129E and set up for twin engine use. It is the same engine used in F15EX.

 

[begturan]

Good news if at least the engines for the prototypes are here.
f16 engines are for f16s. You can’t use them on any other plane.
F16 uses F110GE129B and set up for single engine use.

Kaan uses F110GE129E and set up for twin engine use. It is the same engine used in F15EX.

The F110-GE-129 engine used in the F16 block50s and the engine used in Kaan are the same model, if it is possible to use it in Kaan by changing the FADEC software settings and there is no political obstacle, this path can be followed.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The F110-GE-129 engine used in the F16 block50s and the engine used in Kaan are the same model, if it is possible to use it in Kaan by changing the FADEC software settings and there is no political obstacle, this path can be followed.

No they are not. The latest f16 engines we have got for our f16s are f110GE129B . It is set up for single engine use.

Turkish Air Force Continues F-16 Operation With GE F110 Power | GE Aerospace News

EVENDALE, Ohio -- The Turkish Air Force (TuAF) has ordered F110-GE-129B engines to power its 30 new Lockheed Martin F-16E/F aircraft. Value of the order, including 42 engines and

www.geaerospace.com

 

[begturan]

President of Defense Industries (SSB) Haluk Görgün announced:

All engines required for the KAAN prototype aircraft have been procured and delivered to Turkey. Production of our prototype aircraft continues at full speed.

KAAN ve yerli motor çalışmaları plana uygun ilerliyor

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı (SSB) Haluk Görgün, Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN ve yerli motor geliştirme çalışmalarının planlandığı gibi ilerlediğini, KAAN'ın geleceğinin hiçbir şekilde tek bir ülkenin motoruna bağlı olmadığını belirtti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[begturan]

No they are not. The latest f16 engines we have got for our f16s are f110GE129B . It is set up for single engine use.

Turkish Air Force Continues F-16 Operation With GE F110 Power | GE Aerospace News

EVENDALE, Ohio -- The Turkish Air Force (TuAF) has ordered F110-GE-129B engines to power its 30 new Lockheed Martin F-16E/F aircraft. Value of the order, including 42 engines and

www.geaerospace.com

I got it so there is no way to intagrete them into Kaan.