TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

Looks matured.

Radom

 

[Pilatino]

We Should Stop Calling KAAN a “5th Generation” Fighter

We really need to drop the “5th generation” label when talking about KAAN, because it actually undersells the entire system. The term locks KAAN into an F-22/F-35 comparison cycle that doesn’t reflect what Türkiye is building today.

KAAN is not a standalone fighter — it’s the core of a next-generation air dominance ecosystem that includes Kızılelma, Anka-3, Super Şimşek, advanced EW suites, national AESA radar, AI-enabled mission systems, and Loyal Wingman operations that most “6th gen” programs have not even demonstrated yet.

By calling it “5th gen,” we unintentionally play into the PR narrative of FCAS/GCAP, letting them brand their PowerPoint concepts as “6th gen” while our actual flying platforms are framed as “one step behind.”

KAAN is much closer to what the next generation of air combat looks like — networked, AI-native, unmanned–manned synergistic, and designed for systems warfare, not just kinematic superiority.

This is why we should simply call it what it is:

KAAN — Türkiye’s Next-Generation Air Dominance System.

Not 5th gen.
Not 4.75 gen.
Just next generation, because that’s exactly what it is.

 

[Merzifonlu]

By calling it “5th gen,” we unintentionally play into the PR narrative of FCAS/GCAP, letting them brand their PowerPoint concepts as “6th gen” while our actual flying platforms are framed as “one step behind.”

Let everyone think Kaan is "one step behind". It's actually much better for us.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We Should Stop Calling KAAN a “5th Generation” Fighter

We should first come down to Earth and not allow what we are building to go to our heads. Proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Let us first get this bird to fly with all possible bells and whistles we can furnish it with.
We don’t even have a final prototype that can fly. All we are talking about is what it is going to be. Let us realise it first and let the final product speak for it self.
Great achievement that Kaan flew twice, for a country that did not have the technology to build a jet fighter a couple of decades ago. But let us first, realise everything we are planning to do. Then start discussing what generation plane we are building. Every technical innovation you are mentioning here can be retrofitted to any 5th generation plane. That doesn’t make that plane a generation above the rest. It is a generation ahead if what it has can not be retrofitted to the previous version.

 

[Pilatino]

We should first come down to Earth and not allow what we are building to go to our heads. Proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Let us first get this bird to fly with all possible bells and whistles we can furnish it with.
We don’t even have a final prototype that can fly. All we are talking about is what it is going to be. Let us realise it first and let the final product speak for it self.
Great achievement that Kaan flew twice, for a country that did not have the technology to build a jet fighter a couple of decades ago. But let us first, realise everything we are planning to do. Then start discussing what generation plane we are building. Every technical innovation you are mentioning here can be retrofitted to any 5th generation plane. That doesn’t make that plane a generation above the rest. It is a generation ahead if what it has can not be retrofitted to the previous version.

You’re right that we shouldn’t get carried away KAAN still has to fly in its final form and prove everything in practice. No disagreement there.

But my point isn’t “KAAN is already 6th gen.”
The issue is that calling it “5th generation” limits the program before it even matures, while FCAS/GCAP freely call themselves “6th gen” without a single prototype in the air.

The “generation” system is mostly a marketing framework, not strict engineering.
KAAN’s architecture like native MUM-T design, stealth shaping, high-power avionics, ecosystem integration with Kızılelma/Anka-3 is built in from day one. These aren’t simple retrofits.

So yes, let the final aircraft speak for itself. However, we also don’t need to box it into a term that undersells what Türkiye is actually trying to build.
That’s why calling it simply “next generation” is more accurate and avoids giving rivals a free PR advantage.

 

[Sanchez]

The “generation” system is mostly a marketing framework, not strict engineering

It isn't, but it was also never was a set list. It frames American fighter aircraft since 60s, that's it.

Calling Kaan a Next Gen fighter is suitable. It doesn't matter if it's in service or not, it's a next gen fighter in development. If it's cancelled tomorrow, it will be a cancelled next gen fighter. It's current development stage has no bearing on its generation or the future capabilities set for it when it enters service.

 

[Pilatino]

Optimism is good but lets do a reality check.
Fact is that the KAAN is nothing yet,it has flown for 15 minutes twice with an ''inferior'' foreign engine.
You cannot call the KAAN 5th gen with the F110 engine which is another fact.
As @Yasar_TR abi already stated,before we have an actual combat ready KAAN fighter jet performing like a next gen(5th gen) supposed to be performing we cannot call it anything.

I repeat, my point isn’t about today’s status.
It’s about how we frame the program as it develops.

KAAN's generation should defined by its final architecture and its rivals' claims, not the temporary test engine.

F-22 and F-35 prototypes also flew early with foreign or downgraded engines, incomplete avionics, and missing systems — yet nobody said “they are nothing yet, so they are not 5th gen.”

Prototype stages are always incomplete by definition.

What matters is:

stealth shaping and internal bays

native MUM-T design

high-power avionics architecture

low-observable materials

sensor fusion

the ecosystem it will operate in (Kızılelma, Anka-3, etc.)


These are built-in.
Engines and missing systems are temporary and will be replaced during testing phases.

So no, KAAN isn’t 5th gen today.
But locking it into a lesser label just because it is still in the prototype phase is also misleading.

The simplest and most accurate approach is:

Shall we let it mature, and call it “next generation” until it reaches full capability.

This avoids overhyping, avoids underselling, and keeps expectations realistic at the same time without making mistakes that can work against us.

 

[2033]

When I think of the sixth generation, the first things that come to mind are the tailless design and the “adaptive cycle engine.”

Kaan will undoubtedly be the fifth generation, but some of its features may be from the sixth generation.

 

[Merzifonlu]

It is a generation ahead if what it has can not be retrofitted to the previous version.

Structurally, it sports a tailless design and a highly stealthy airframe, features that weren’t possible in earlier generations. Beyond that, there’s nothing the 6th generation offers that the 5th couldn’t, including variable-cycle engines. Another big plus of tailless design is the altitude edge. With the fuselage made almost entirely from a single-piece delta wing, it produces tremendous lift.