TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

What do these people smoke?

And after all that? The UK and EU still hold veto power over exports once the indigenous engine is integrated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2060803430034137476

I presume that 1,000+ hours of prototype testing will be programmed. Testing will take until near 2030, won't it? If (IF,IF,IF..) TF35000 could enter production from 2032 could there be less than a 5 year delay between F110-powered prototypes finishing testing and TF35000 KAAN production starting?

Anyway, the KAAN schedule is not as critical as it was with Typhoon coming, is it?

 

[Strong AI]

I presume that 1,000+ hours of prototype testing will be programmed. Testing will take until near 2030, won't it? If (IF,IF,IF..) TF35000 could enter production from 2032 could there be less than a 5 year delay between F110-powered prototypes finishing testing and TF35000 KAAN production starting?

Anyway, the KAAN schedule is not so critical with Typhoon coming, is it?

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And after all that? The UK and EU still hold veto power over exports once the indigenous engine is integrated.

 

[Sanchez]

Bot account using Chatgtp to get impressions from other bots so he can get his 50 dollar payout from his daddy Elon. 50 bucks in some parts of this world a comparable to a monthly salary.

Exactly this; noone intelligent follows mario nawfal of all people. there are not "real" people.

 

[Spitfire9]

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That is usually the case if foreign components are included, isn't it? I'm not sure that Martin Baker, for example, can agree to supply ejection seats with no export restriction. I think the UK government decides which countries can receive aircraft with MB ejection seats fitted.

 

[Pokemonte13]

That is usually the case if foreign components are included, isn't it? I'm not sure that Martin Baker, for example, can agree to supply ejection seats with no export restriction. I think the UK government decides which countries can receive aircraft with MB ejection seats fitted.

Its true but they would then just make their own seat so not really worth it. The only critical component is the engine and even if its not delivered they would just continue developing it so the airframes that would come with domestic engines would not lack anything.

 

[Spitfire9]

Its true but they would then just make their own seat so not really worth it. The only critical component is the engine and even if its not delivered they would just continue developing it so the airframes that would come with domestic engines would not lack anything.

I would think that Turkiye could develop an ejection seat. One that performed as well as an MB seat and failed as seldom as an MB seat? Not for a very long time.

But sure, it can be argued that if ejection survivability is 80% or 90% as probable with a Turkish seat compared with an MB seat, that is good enough.

 

[Zafer]

I presume that 1,000+ hours of prototype testing will be programmed. Testing will take until near 2030, won't it? If (IF,IF,IF..) TF35000 could enter production from 2032 could there be less than a 5 year delay between F110-powered prototypes finishing testing and TF35000 KAAN production starting?

Anyway, the KAAN schedule is not as critical as it was with Typhoon coming, is it?

If production F110 engines do not get delivered in time the TF35k engines can be employed on a fast track and there would not be any delay in Kaan production. If the F110 engines get delivered then TF35k engine can wait until 2029-2030 to be used in flight tests and 2031 in production of later block Kaan batches.

A lower performing ejection seat is still good at 80-90 % survival rate. Kaan is a twin engine after all and has autopilot to enhance safety on top of it which includes ground collision detection and all. The plane's survival capacity can compensate for the seat's 10-20% lack of ability compared to competition.

 

[Pokemonte13]

there is no Fast tracking anything if f110 are not delivered than there will be no deliveries until TF35K is ready for service which will not happen before 2033 if not later. The timeline as it stands now is already very optimistic we haven't even ignited the engine yet i would be more than thrilled if they can get it ready until 2034.

 

[Spitfire9]

If production F110 engines do not get delivered in time the TF35k engines can be employed on a fast track and there would not be any delay in Kaan production. If the F110 engines get delivered then TF35k engine can wait until 2029-2030 to be used in flight tests and 2031 in production of later block Kaan batches.

A lower performing ejection seat is still good at 80-90 % survival rate. Kaan is a twin engine after all and has autopilot to enhance safety on top of it which includes ground collision detection and all. The plane's survival capacity can compensate for the seat's 10-20% lack of ability compared to competition.

Flying KAAN with uncertified engines would make it an experimental aircraft, not a production aircraft, wouldn't it? I don't know but I would would think KAAN would definitely not ready for air force service.

 

[Zafer]

Flying KAAN with uncertified engines would make it an experimental aircraft, not a production aircraft, wouldn't it? I don't know but I would would think KAAN would definitely not ready for air force service.

It is a fighter engine you don't need certification for it. When the air force thinks the plane checks all the boxes for metrics that are important to them that is certification enough. Even the FAA of USA had left the certification of Boeing 737 max passenger plane to the Being company ironically.

 

[Pokemonte13]

It is a fighter engine you don't need certifiation for it.

true you dont need civilian certification like with TS1400 but it still needs to fulfill the requirements and acceptance test of the TurAf and they wont use the engine unless its finished and safe.

 

[Zafer]

true you dont need civilian certification like with TS1400 but it still needs to fulfill the requirements and acceptance test of the TurAf and they wont use the engine unless its finished and safe.

Of course, they can possibly delegate some of the test work to TAI test pilots too.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2061104907042582995

Chance that it go end like FCAS?

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2061104907042582995

Chance that it go end like FCAS?

The source is bloody Torygraph, those twats would say anything to make Labour look bad. This isn't worth taking seriously.

 

[Sanchez]

The source is bloody Torygraph, those twats would say anything to make Labour look bad. This isn't worth taking seriously.

This is what some Brit pundits have been saying today indeed, but British procurement and development issues are pretty much endemic. Would you be surprised? I wouldn't. But we need to say, this is not UK stopping development or anything like that; it's them confirming they are not expecting deliveries of the jets until late 2030s.

Kaan still remains the only ball in the game, it'll start eating into other pies from 2030s if we can handle it.

 

[YeşilVatan]

This is what some Brit pundits have been saying today indeed, but British procurement and development issues are pretty much endemic. Would you be surprised? I wouldn't. But we need to say, this is not UK stopping development or anything like that; it's them confirming they are not expecting deliveries of the jets until late 2030s.

Kaan still remains the only ball in the game, it'll start eating into other pies from 2030s if we can handle it.

I think Koreans should be counted but they have a subsystem dependency problem (engines afaik). They don't really seem to mind though.

 

[Saithan]

I do not agree that KAAN is going to eat into any pies. EF is still there and still a good jet. If they manage to upgrade it as planned it will still be able to do what it needs to.

Also keep in mind how battlefields have changed, so as long as EF can deliver stormshadow safely and other munition, it'll do just fine.

Mass production of drones and taking out critical infrastructure per what's going on or seen from Iran-Israel-US, Russia -Ukraine war is going to be the main issue.