TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

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Leading edge extensions over the intakes are gone (the new one has a different geometry and does not feel like it is a continuation of the wing in airflow sense), also blended "wing-body transition" looks better on the mockup. Lack of those made the plane a bit uglier.

But maybe it's because it's a low poly 3d model, used only for the website.. considering mobile devices, etc.


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Hürjet image on lower part is from: https://www.bagimsizhavacilar.com/hurjet-bir-egitim-ucagi-projesinden-daha-fazlasi/
Probably from the mockup.
 
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Planned configurations for Hürjet:
  1. Jet trainer
  2. Conflict preparedness training.
  3. Light attack (Close Air Support)
  4. Aggressor for combat training
  5. Armed and unarmed reconnaissance
  6. Aerobatics
  7. Naval version for A/C carriers.
2- Harbe hazırlığa geçiş eğitimi = Lead-in fighter training (LIFT)
 

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I think instead of trying to 'up-gun' the Hurjet into a fighter, it might be better to keep it as a LIFT. Rather, Turkey could look at using the TR Motor to design and develop a new single-engine medium-weight fighter. Of course, this probably can't be a thing until after the MMU.
A single engine fighter goes without saying once you have the engine.
 

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TUSAŞ Deputy General Director and Ankara Yildirim Beyazit University Faculty Member Prof. Dr. Fahrettin Ozturk announced that TEI and TR Motor developed a national turbofan engine for MMU at Hacettepe Technopolis.
 

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Leading edge extensions over the intakes are gone (the new one has a different geometry and does not feel like it is a continuation of the wing in airflow sense), also blended "wing-body transition" looks better on the mockup. Lack of those made the plane a bit uglier.

But maybe it's because it's a low poly 3d model, used only for the website.. considering mobile devices, etc.


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Hürjet image on lower part is from: https://www.bagimsizhavacilar.com/hurjet-bir-egitim-ucagi-projesinden-daha-fazlasi/
Probably from the mockup.

I think exactly the same, don't trust the web resolution 3D design in the website. I don't think it represents the real design, I think mock up is still legit design and that 3D is just the best (closest) thing they can get for presentation purpose. In the end, you can't create detailed perfect models for web browsers which would run in multiple devices.

TUSAŞ Deputy General Director and Ankara Yildirim Beyazit University Faculty Member Prof. Dr. Fahrettin Ozturk announced that TEI and TR Motor developed a national turbofan engine for MMU at Hacettepe Technopolis.

The only thing I trust in this article is "TEI is working on the engine." Best thing to hear after BMC left TR Motor. I am glad that this BMC jet engine scam ended.
 

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The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.
 

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The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Make a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.

I agree, it must always be inside out modular approach as far as possible to make use of economy of scale and time most diligently....rather than have too many eggs in various baskets.

India learned hard way in end w.r.t Tejas, which should have really been MWF (mk 2 size) from get go....even going on foreign engine choice options as there would be more flexibility when sanctions hit us from US in 90s.

Simple use 1 for this class and use 2 for larger class with eye always on final goal and objectives for the ecosystem resources and time.

In fact even earlier than that was Marut episode, again largely engine related in end....again should have started with engine option first secured and design outwards.
 

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The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.
That 15-16 m plane sounds like an indigenous 4++ gen f16 V80? (F16 length is 15.06m and the wingspan is 9.96m.)
But this is the logical way forward. One engine 2 planes.
Only reservation I would have is the fact that we need light attack planes with Aesa radar soon. Hurjet with a 20000+lbf engine would have given us that, before 2025-26.
 

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I agree, it must always be inside out modular approach as far as possible to make use of economy of scale and time most diligently....rather than have too many eggs in various baskets.

India learned hard way in end w.r.t Tejas, which should have really been MWF (mk 2 size) from get go....even going on foreign engine choice options as there would be more flexibility when sanctions hit us from US in 90s.

Simple use 1 for this class and use 2 for larger class with eye always on final goal and objectives for the ecosystem resources and time.

In fact even earlier than that was Marut episode, again largely engine related in end....again should have started with engine option first secured and design outwards.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is ultimately Turkey's plan, i.e., use the TR Motor engine to design a single-engine fighter. This could potentially tie into their carrier ops aspirations too (though it'd depend on the Turkish Navy's requirements).
 
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The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.
That means going cheap on RnD.
There is also the export market where lesser planes can bring a return. Countries who can not afford a full grown plane can afford a trainer turned fighter. I would adopt that one engine two planes approach a few years ago when the Hürjet was not in its advanced level of progression. However once the Hürjet is ready for production that three planes approach gained weight. An engine that will be made based on the experiences gained in the making of the TFX engine will be an easy job and can happen earlier than the TFX engine. This Hürjet with a custom Turkish engine can be offered like a LHD capable little fighter plane while larger planes can not operate from an LHD. It can be part of our plan to make a carrier out of an LHD to offer it to the export market as a combination. a UAVs + Hürjet and LHD bundle. That same engine can power our UAVs too.
 

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The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.

That 15-16 m plane sounds like an indigenous 4++ gen f16 V80? (F16 length is 15.06m and the wingspan is 9.96m.)
But this is the logical way forward. One engine 2 planes.
Only reservation I would have is the fact that we need light attack planes with Aesa radar soon. Hurjet with a 20000+lbf engine would have given us that, before 2025-26.

I think Hurjet can be used as F5 until we develop the improved version.

Americans did this with F16/F15 combination and it worked well for them. We need a workhorse for the Air Force and i think MMU will be too costly for that and Hürjet most likely be insufficient for the role. Also this way we'll have more use for the national engine and for logistic wise it will be more efficient.
 

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Mr. Ismail Demir: "We recently said that" No country can be excluded from the F-35 program unilaterally ". The last letter from the USA justified us. The dialogue process will begin for a solution. The process will be based on law "
 

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BUHSET Project:
The calendar start date (T0) of the BÜHSET (ICNI) TFX National Combat Aircraft Integrated Communication Navigation Recognition-Promotion (ICNI) Project was accepted as 1 October 2020 and a contract was signed with TUSAŞ on 30.12.2020. In this context, it is aimed to deliver the works up to the Preliminary Design Review (PDR) stage. In addition, work on the Contract Data Request List (CDRL) documents has started.

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Negotiations for the involvement of ASELSAN avionics in the HÜRJET aircraft developed by TAI continued. In this context, orders were received for Internal Communication, ASELSAN Navigation, Airborne Radio and IFF Systems, which are ready-to-shelf products.
 

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Radio Navigation Equipment (RNE) and its subsystems (TACAN / DME / VOR / ILS / ADF), which are currently supplied from abroad for the use of air platforms, are being developed with ASELSAN's own resources and with the subcontractor ESEN, and the Critical Design phase of the project has been completed.
 

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Within the scope of the National Combat Aircraft Program, contract negotiations have been made for Flight Control System Sensors and Helmet Integrated Indicator, and the contracts are expected to be signed and come into effect in 2021.
 

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Within the scope of the contract signed with TAI, studies for the integration of the Miniature Bomb, Intelligent Multi-Relief and Laser Guided Bomb to the National Combat Aircraft have started.
 
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