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Turkey can not be blamed, Greece refused to talk about ther maximalist claims. And this is the result of Greece and not Turkey. If you ask every Greece person they will claim ther right of EEZ. Stupidy among Turks thinking that Greece will come to a rational answer if we give our rights for part. You did see ther claims against Libya and dumg Egyptians.
Why does Turkey not have responsibilities when it violates the airspace of Greece every time with overflights of fighter jets over the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean? Turkey is the one that violates Greece's right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. And I am not talking about the Aegean, where the extension of the 12 nautical miles closes freeway corridors, but about the south of Crete, where you voluntarily implemented a Memorandum with Libya, with which it does not even border! You brazenly and voluntarily, without asking us who really border with Libya, that the Turkish Exclusive Economic Zone will border the Libyan Exclusive Economic Zone and in fact 6 nautical miles off the coast of Crete! Greece has the right whenever it wants to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, it is something that the Law of the Sea says and which even you apply to your territorial waters! Turkey does not accept Greece doing something that it implements in its own territorial waters, we are talking about the epitome of absurdity! Really, by what right did you set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete through this intergovernmental agreement with Libya? Do you not know that Greece has the right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? To see who has the "maximalist views".
 
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Why does Turkey not have responsibilities when it violates the airspace of Greece every time with overflights of fighter jets over the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean? Turkey is the one that violates Greece's right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. And I am not talking about the Aegean, where the extension of the 12 nautical miles closes freeway corridors, but about the south of Crete, where you voluntarily implemented a Memorandum with Libya, with which it does not even border! You brazenly and voluntarily, without asking us who really border with Libya, that the Turkish Exclusive Economic Zone will border the Libyan Exclusive Economic Zone and in fact 6 nautical miles off the coast of Crete! Greece has the right whenever it wants to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, it is something that the Law of the Sea says and which even you apply to your territorial waters! Turkey does not accept Greece doing something that it implements in its own territorial waters, we are talking about the epitome of absurdity! Really, by what right did you set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete through this intergovernmental agreement with Libya? Do you not know that Greece has the right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? To see who has the "maximalist views".
Does greece border Egypt? no
 

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Why does Turkey not have responsibilities when it violates the airspace of Greece every time with overflights of fighter jets over the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean? Turkey is the one that violates Greece's right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. And I am not talking about the Aegean, where the extension of the 12 nautical miles closes freeway corridors, but about the south of Crete, where you voluntarily implemented a Memorandum with Libya, with which it does not even border! You brazenly and voluntarily, without asking us who really border with Libya, that the Turkish Exclusive Economic Zone will border the Libyan Exclusive Economic Zone and in fact 6 nautical miles off the coast of Crete! Greece has the right whenever it wants to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, it is something that the Law of the Sea says and which even you apply to your territorial waters! Turkey does not accept Greece doing something that it implements in its own territorial waters, we are talking about the epitome of absurdity! Really, by what right did you set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete through this intergovernmental agreement with Libya? Do you not know that Greece has the right to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? To see who has the "maximalist views".


Island do not have EEZ, specially you claim can not be juridically substantiated. 12 miles water irrelevant in this case, you can open another treahd about it.


 

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Does greece border Egypt? no
Of course, Greece borders Egypt. The same goes for Libya where it borders us. I am waiting for you to prove to me that Turkey borders Libya in order to make transnational agreements .....!
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Island do not have EEZ, specially you claim can not be juridically substantiated. 12 miles water irrelevant in this case, you can open another treahd about it.


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Why does Turkey not have responsibilities when it violates the airspace of Greece every time with overflights of fighter jets over the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean?
There is a NATO's LANDCOM - İzmir base whose responsibility is also investigating violations between Greece and Turkey.
Unless NATO confirms, we can't believe baseless claims.

In order to prevent accusations from Greek side , Turkey allowed NATO to monitor Egean airspace even in own mainland.

 

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There is a NATO's LANDCOM - İzmir base whose responsibility is also investigating violations between Greece and Turkey.
Unless NATO confirms, we can't believe baseless claims.

In order to prevent accusations from Greek side , Turkey allowed NATO to monitor Egean airspace even in own mainland.
NATO does not recognize borders between its two member states, it considers them a "single space". So do not expect NATO to observe something that does not interest it at all.
 
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NATO does not recognize borders between its two member states, it considers them a "single space". So do not expect NATO to observe something that does not interest it at all.
I don't expect, LANDCOM just registers all air and sea traffic as its responsibility.

NATO is not blind organization, it does recognizes and identifies all borders.
 

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I don't expect, LANDCOM just registers all air and sea traffic as its responsibility.

NATO is not blind organization, it does recognizes and identifies all borders.
When i say that NATO does not recognize borders between two member states, i mean in terms of airspace.
 
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When i say that NATO does not recognize borders between two member states, i mean in terms of airspace.
So you could ask NATO to reveal all flights of TAF over the Egean Sea( however there is nothing to hide all information is open to members), thus you could prove your claims with allied evidence which Türkiye couldnt refuse.
 

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So you could ask NATO to reveal all flights of TAF over the Egean Sea( however there is nothing to hide all information is open to members), thus you could prove your claims with allied evidence which Türkiye couldnt refuse.
According to the announcements of the Greek Armed Forces, these violations by Turkish fighter jets are an almost daily phenomenon. NATO does not want to play the role of arbitrator because it does not care.
 
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According to the announcements of the Greek Armed Forces, these violations by Turkish fighter jets are an almost daily phenomenon. NATO does not want to play the role of arbitrator because it does not care.
Greece is also NATO member and you have authority to access all NATO database. Please show us NATO's air traffic records.
 

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Don't do this😎 all Eastern Egean islands belong to Turkish territorial continental shelf. C'mon i can reach to Samos by swimming.

Edit: not just by swimming also by walking:)
I just quoted the facts that confirm that i am right and your compatriot is wrong. Is it my fault that you are wrong? I also did not talk about the islands of the Eastern Aegean but about Crete because i can understand and accept the fact that the extension of territorial waters to 12 nautical miles can not exist in the Aegean as it closes the free passage of third countries. I gave the example of the Philippines to prove to Oublious that the islands, which can host life, have an Exclusive Economic Zone and their territorial waters can be extended to 12 nautical miles. The fact that the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean are very close to the coasts of Asia Minor suggests that some islands belong to its geographical underwater extension but this does not give you the right to set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete with the Memorandum you signed with Libya. Greece has the right at any time to extend its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles, at least south of Crete.
 
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I just quoted the facts that confirm that i am right and your compatriot is wrong. Is it my fault that you are wrong? I also did not talk about the islands of the Eastern Aegean but about Crete because i can understand and accept the fact that the extension of territorial waters to 12 nautical miles can not exist in the Aegean as it closes the free passage of third countries. I gave the example of the Philippines to prove to Oublious that the islands, which can host life, have an Exclusive Economic Zone and their territorial waters can be extended to 12 nautical miles. The fact that the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean are very close to the coasts of Asia Minor suggests that some islands belong to its geographical underwater extension but this does not give you the right to set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete with the Memorandum you signed with Libya. Greece has the right at any time to extend its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles, at least south of Crete.
İ quit but my last word:
The Egean Sea belongs to fishes.

If some countries try to occupy international waters, Turkish Navy is ready.
 

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İ quit but my last word:
The Egean Sea belongs to fishes.

If some countries try to occupy international waters, Turkish Navy is ready.
The Aegean Sea does not belong only to its fishes but also to the permanent residents that surround it! These people have rights in this sea.
As for international waters, i answered you clearly that in the Aegean Sea they should not disappear because the free passage of many third countries is prevented. I am not irrational, i understand the arguments where they have a seriousness and the non-extension of the territorial waters to 12 nautical miles in the area of the Aegean Sea is a serious opinion that i agree with. But you can not blame Greece when you make interstate agreements with Libya where it does not border! Is the fact that the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey in the south of Crete reaches 6 nautical miles from the coast is not a violation of the sovereign rights of Greece? So how will Greece extend its territorial waters south of Crete to 12 nautical miles when you have demarcated the Exclusive Economic Zone to 6 nautical miles? If you respected the Law of the Sea, the distance of the Turkey-Libya Memorandum would be at least 12 nautical miles from the coast of Crete. Turkey has never been a country of dialogue, it has always been pirated and this move confirms that.
 
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Turkey has never been a country of dialogue,
Don't dare insulting Türkiye , İmaging it unpeaceful hostile country.

Remember you and your country wants to expand its territory not Turkey!!!!

you yourself hasn't brought any positive arguments besides accusing and shouting slogans.

As your PM said, i repeat"The Egean Sea belongs to fishes!"
 

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Don't dare insulting Türkiye , İmaging it unpeaceful hostile country.

Remember you and your country wants to expand its territory not Turkey!!!!

you yourself hasn't brought any positive arguments besides accusing and shouting slogans.

As your PM said, i repeat"The Egean Sea belongs to fishes!"
It is not my fault if Turkey takes unilateral action in the south of Crete by making a memorandum with Libya. Greece has never asked for territories of third countries, others are the ones claiming the islands of the Eastern Aegean! Various Turkish geopolitical analysts and officials often come out and say that "Greece stole islands from Turkey". The former Prime Minister of Greece Alexis Tsipras said the specific phrase you mention. Just because he said that does not mean it is true.
 
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It is not my fault if Turkey takes unilateral action in the south of Crete by making a memorandum with Libya. Greece has never asked for territories of third countries, others are the ones claiming the islands of the Eastern Aegean! Various Turkish geopolitical analysts and officials often come out and say that "Greece stole islands from Turkey". The former Prime Minister of Greece Alexis Tsipras said the specific phrase you mention. Just because he said that does not mean it is true.
Hmm send your navy to those waters then If you really believe Its yours?
 

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Hmm send your navy to those waters then If you really believe Its yours?
Normally, all the naval units of Turkey that violated the 6 nautical miles of the territorial waters of Greece should be targeted and neutralized. I do not know if the Greek Navy is there, but it certainly should be. Is this how your country got to know you? To use the logic "what can be claimed on the basis of power is mine". Why does the Turkish-Libyan Memorandum show the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey at 6 nautical miles off the coast of Crete? By what logic do you do this when you know that there is the possibility of extending the territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? If this is not a violation of sovereignty then what is? And then you talk about maximalist positions in Greece!
 

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