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There is no evidence either way, nothing concrete, but her publicised remarks were remarkably ethno-nationalist, remarkably in line with the prejudices behind the massacres. At this moment, even after the deplorable occurrence of the coup, I am a Suu Kyi sceptic.
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ASEAN states split over Myanmar military coup
(UPDATED) The Philippines changes tune to express concern over the issue with Singapore, Indonesia, and Malaysia – while Cambodia and Thailand assert that the military coup in Myanmar is an internal matter
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ASEAN states split over Myanmar military coup
FEB 1, 2021 6:27 PM PHTSOFIA TOMACRUZ
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(UPDATED) The Philippines changes tune to express concern over the issue with Singapore, Indonesia, and Malaysia – while Cambodia and Thailand assert that the military coup in Myanmar is an internal matter
As crisis unfolds in Myanmar, member-states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) found themselves divided over the Myanmar military’s seizure of power on Monday, February 1.
Their differences in opinion have seen member-states either express concern, adopt a hands off approach, or refrain from issuing any statement on the Myanmar military’s actions.
In the Philippines, Foreign Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr said the country would “watch and see for ourselves” how the situation develops in Myanmar after its military detained its civilian leader Aung San Suu Kyi, along with other top officials of the ruling National League for Democracy party.
Locsin then said the military’s takeover of its government was not a coup, likening it to a “chess move” that may have been carried in the interest of protecting democracy in the country.
“Let’s hope it is for her (Aung San Suu Kyi) and her democratic project’s protection; it's happened; the military can also close ranks for that,” he said.
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Cambodian leader Hun Sen, meanwhile, referred to Myanmar’s military coup as "internal affairs" of the country, declining to make further comments.
“Cambodia does not comment on the internal affairs of any country at all, either within the ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) framework or any other country,” he said.
Cambodia’s stand was similar to that of Thailand, where Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan said the military takeover in Myanmar was an “internal matter” of the country.
Aside from Myanmar, the Philippines, Cambodia, and Thailand share a history of military coups in their respective countries throughout the past decades, as each state struggled to institute democratic forms of government.
'Serious concern'
On the other hand, ASEAN member-states Singapore, Indonesia, and Malaysia expressed concern over the military takeover, calling for restraint and a peaceful resolution to the unfolding coup.A day later on Tuesday, February 2, the Philippines – which is the oldest democracy in the region – changed tunes on the issue and said it viewed the military takeover of Myanmar’s government with “deep concern.”
“The Philippine government is following with deep concern the developing situation in Myanmar, and is especially concerned with the safety of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi,” the Department of Foreign Affairs said in a statement."
This falls in line with Singapore, which expressed "grave concern" over the situation in Myanmar.
“Singapore expresses grave concern about the latest situation in Myanmar. We are monitoring the situation closely and hope all parties involved will exercise restraint, maintain dialogue, and work towards a positive and peaceful outcome,” Singapore’s foreign ministry said in a statement.
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Malaysia echoed Singapore, saying it viewed latest developments in Myanmar with “serious concern.” It urged Myanmar’s military to “give utmost priority” to ensuring peace and order and urged all parties to uphold the rule of law.
“Malaysia supports the continuation of discussion among Myanmar’s leaders to avoid adverse consequences to the people and state of Myanmar, especially in the current, difficult COVID-19 pandemic situation,” Malaysia's foreign ministry said.
Indonesia, meanwhile, expressed concern over the situation in Myanmar and said parties should uphold the “principles of democracy and constitutional government.”
“Indonesia urges all parties in Myanmar to exercise self-restraint and put forth dialogue in finding solutions to challenges so as not to exacerbate the condition,” it said in a statement.
Meanwhile, Vietnam, Brunei, and Laos have yet to issue formal statements on the Myanmar military seizure of power in the country.
This is not the first time ASEAN has had to confront affairs concerning Myanmar.
Rights groups earlier criticized the regional bloc for failing to effectively address Myanmar’s Rohingya crisis, where state forces deployed a deadly crackdown on Rohingya Muslims. The United Nations later described as the military’s campaign against the Rohingya as a “textbook example of ethnic cleansing.”
ASEAN states have often been challenged in addressing allegations of human rights violations in its member-states, as the group upholds principles of mutual non-interference and consensus-based decision making as core values of the regional group. – with reports from Reuters/Rappler.com
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Indonesia is noted for its absence in at least
1. The Rohingya issue
2. The 2021 coup in Myanmar
If Indonesia were indeed the regional leader as member @Indos would have us believe, could he try to explain the above occurrences?
Moreover, the article by author Ms Sofia Tomacruz indicates that Singapore's "balancing act" diplomacy has been "echoed"/imitated by Malaysian, Filipino and Indonesian foreign affairs ministry following suit.
The other regimes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia - often considered to be excessively China-friendly or within the Chinese orbit - expressed a more muted response.
However, what is well known and backed by ample evidence, is the lack of Indonesian hard power, lack of Indonesian geopolitical power, lack of Indonesian diplomatic influence and this coup in Myanmar reaffirms these well known facts.
Lowy Institute's ranking of national power for the Asia Pacific region seems to be quite accurate and backed by verifiable data, after all.
power.lowyinstitute.org
It is incredible how a country that is about 50 times more populous and about 2,500 times as big in area as Singapore turns out to be militarily less powerful, technologically, industrially, scientifically, economically and diplomatically less sophisticated and geopolitically less influential.
1. The Rohingya issue
2. The 2021 coup in Myanmar
If Indonesia were indeed the regional leader as member @Indos would have us believe, could he try to explain the above occurrences?
Moreover, the article by author Ms Sofia Tomacruz indicates that Singapore's "balancing act" diplomacy has been "echoed"/imitated by Malaysian, Filipino and Indonesian foreign affairs ministry following suit.
The other regimes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia - often considered to be excessively China-friendly or within the Chinese orbit - expressed a more muted response.
However, what is well known and backed by ample evidence, is the lack of Indonesian hard power, lack of Indonesian geopolitical power, lack of Indonesian diplomatic influence and this coup in Myanmar reaffirms these well known facts.
Lowy Institute's ranking of national power for the Asia Pacific region seems to be quite accurate and backed by verifiable data, after all.
Map - Lowy Institute Asia Power Index
Map the distribution of power across 27 countries in the Asia-Pacific with @LowyInstitute Asia Power Index
It is incredible how a country that is about 50 times more populous and about 2,500 times as big in area as Singapore turns out to be militarily less powerful, technologically, industrially, scientifically, economically and diplomatically less sophisticated and geopolitically less influential.
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Indonesia is noted for its absence in at least
1. The Rohingya issue
2. The 2021 coup in Myanmar
If Indonesia were indeed the regional leader as member @Indos would have us believe, could he try to explain the above occurrences?
Moreover, the article by author Ms Sofia Tomacruz indicates that Singapore's "balancing act" diplomacy has been "echoed"/imitated by Malaysian, Filipino and Indonesian foreign affairs ministry following suit.
The other regimes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia - often considered to be excessively China-friendly or within the Chinese orbit - expressed a more muted response.
However, what is well known and backed by ample evidence, is the lack of Indonesian hard power, lack of Indonesian geopolitical power, lack of Indonesian diplomatic influence and this coup in Myanmar reaffirms these well known facts.
Lowy Institute's ranking of national power for the Asia Pacific region seems to be quite accurate and backed by verifiable data, after all.
Map - Lowy Institute Asia Power Index
Map the distribution of power across 27 countries in the Asia-Pacific with @LowyInstitute Asia Power Index
It is incredible how a country that is about 50 times more populous and about 2,500 times as big in area as Singapore turns out to be militarily less powerful, technologically, industrially, scientifically, economically and diplomatically less sophisticated and geopolitically less influential.
There is ASEAN non-interference principle.
This is from real power, not nobody think thank comes from Indonesian rival, Australia, that you like to post every time every where where no body put weight on their assessment
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@Indos bro, what's with the name calling? Warning with no points.
Indonesia is noted for its absence in at least
1. The Rohingya issue
2. The 2021 coup in Myanmar
If Indonesia were indeed the regional leader as member @Indos would have us believe, could he try to explain the above occurrences?
Moreover, the article by author Ms Sofia Tomacruz indicates that Singapore's "balancing act" diplomacy has been "echoed"/imitated by Malaysian, Filipino and Indonesian foreign affairs ministry following suit.
The other regimes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia - often considered to be excessively China-friendly or within the Chinese orbit - expressed a more muted response.
However, what is well known and backed by ample evidence, is the lack of Indonesian hard power, lack of Indonesian geopolitical power, lack of Indonesian diplomatic influence and this coup in Myanmar reaffirms these well known facts.
Lowy Institute's ranking of national power for the Asia Pacific region seems to be quite accurate and backed by verifiable data, after all.
Map - Lowy Institute Asia Power Index
Map the distribution of power across 27 countries in the Asia-Pacific with @LowyInstitute Asia Power Index
It is incredible how a country that is about 50 times more populous and about 2,500 times as big in area as Singapore turns out to be militarily less powerful, technologically, industrially, scientifically, economically and diplomatically less sophisticated and geopolitically less influential.
Saying Indonesia is abstain in Rohingya issue and Myanmar coup shows you like to lie instead of making honest judgment. Go search Google dude.
LOL when Singapore rush to make statement, it doesnt necessary say it is the leader LOL. The tone of the statement is in accordance with ASEAN principle and many who understand the region better would already predict that kind of tone will be made by all ASEAN democratic nations, regardless who will speak it the first. Even China which has greater influence over Myanmar doesnt say anything rough as well. Indonesia made statement hours later and which is accordance with ASEAN principle as well.
Singapore rely water supply from Malaysia to keep living, lol your kind of thinking stated even Malaysia is less influential than Singapore because they made statement couple hours late than Singapore. Sorry, What kind of logic is that ? Singapore even cannot live without Malaysia water supply.
Here to make you understand the situation :
Aung San su kyi is making a peace agreement with Chinese ethnic rebel in Myanmar while Myanmar military prefer military solution which is against China interest. So we can see even China make soft comment over the coup despite that mentioned situation. We cannot interfere into some one else country domestic politics too much.
There is reason of why South East Asian countries can live peaceful to each other, unlike what happen in Middle East and South Asia. In the past Indonesia tried to invade Malaysia+Singapore which then those nations get help from British, Australia, and New Zealand armed force. We made war in the past because the strongest one, Indonesia, like to do interference.
Today ASEAN prefer to improve their economic and make less noise about each other domestic politics. Do you ever read any comment about Indonesia invasion of East Timor, East Timor occupation, Aceh rebellion war, and Indonesian army conduct in Papua province from Singapore ??? They dont dare make any statement on that, even one of Indonesian navy vessel named with the one who bombed Singapore in the past and they cannot make any thing over that LOL
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It was referred as junta in some sources thus it was confusing me.
Junta usually refers to a small group of low rank people -disabling higher ranks and occupying their power, thus i assumed it could be US.
Turns out to be an actual coup which involved high rank officers, no other chances else than being China.
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Contrary to that Chinese guy twitter who cannot understand Indonesian language, that aerobic dance is actually a political statement from that girl. So she was indeed understand the situation behind her back.
This is to understand the political statement behind the song.
whole ASEAN is pretty much absence in myanmar 2021 coup problem.Indonesia is noted for its absence in at least
1. The Rohingya issue
2. The 2021 coup in Myanmar
If Indonesia were indeed the regional leader as member @Indos would have us believe, could he try to explain the above occurrences?
Moreover, the article by author Ms Sofia Tomacruz indicates that Singapore's "balancing act" diplomacy has been "echoed"/imitated by Malaysian, Filipino and Indonesian foreign affairs ministry following suit.
The other regimes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia - often considered to be excessively China-friendly or within the Chinese orbit - expressed a more muted response.
However, what is well known and backed by ample evidence, is the lack of Indonesian hard power, lack of Indonesian geopolitical power, lack of Indonesian diplomatic influence and this coup in Myanmar reaffirms these well known facts.
Lowy Institute's ranking of national power for the Asia Pacific region seems to be quite accurate and backed by verifiable data, after all.
Map - Lowy Institute Asia Power Index
Map the distribution of power across 27 countries in the Asia-Pacific with @LowyInstitute Asia Power Index
It is incredible how a country that is about 50 times more populous and about 2,500 times as big in area as Singapore turns out to be militarily less powerful, technologically, industrially, scientifically, economically and diplomatically less sophisticated and geopolitically less influential.
from your statement about rohingya issue , already tell us how much clueless you are , we got a fu*kton of rohingya refugee here , they're only complaining is because they are too demanding (even when local already help them) asking for better living while acting like a parasite in other countries, and their main destination was malaysia and australia, yet they got rejected and sent back to sea when they got caught with both country maritime/border authority.
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It was referred as junta in some sources thus it was confusing me.
Junta usually refers to a small group of low rank people -disabling higher ranks and occupying their power, thus i assumed it could be US.
Turns out to be an actual coup which involved high rank officers, no other chances else than being China.
Junta to me just means a military leadership politically.... i.e a bunch sharing power rather than just one guy (dictator).
Like the argentine generals etc, that was a junta too (coz they ruled together, taking turns as the "face")
I forgot what the Ne win one (first coup) in Burma was called...but it was a junta that lasted till about mid 80s when bunch of student protests and mass protests brought it to end (and replaced with another junta in the end that promised to bring elections for constitution formation but then reneged on it after the 1990s result). SLORC was this version 2.
So it has been a junta from about 1962 to 2011. 2011 till now was a quasi democracy, but now its back to full junta.
Aung San Suu Kyi got too many seats in the 2020 election then the generals would have liked given she was promising to bring down their (military) reserved seats from 25% to 15% too (and eventually phase it out all together).
The head honcho of junta (now running the show completely) was also unsure if she would defend him (as an individual) in say an international war crime trial (as his term would be coming to an end and he could be open to prosecution).... as her support so far to military (w.r.t say the rohingya atrocities) has been more collective based as a whole.
With (increasingly assertive) PRC as their major benefactor....junta basically see this as a solid move for them....they have used aung san suu kyi for 2 main things:
- ending the internal civil wars with shan and kachin (and others)
- helping defend them internationally amidst the international criticism on rohingya genocide
Now they see no reason to continue tolerating her, given she is doing well electorally and is a forseeable threat to their power status quo...and privilege they have in current constitution.
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One of the pillars of ASEAN foreign policy is noninterference in the internal affairs of member states. However, if Indonesia is indeed the regional leader in ASEAN as member @Indos would have us believe, all other ASEAN members should follow Indonesia's lead and thus, Indonesia could have used its supposed geopolitical influence to alter the events in Myanmar to its liking.
Facts, however, tend to disagree with member @Indos.
On the two occasions cited, and in many others I have not yet cited, Indonesian influence is noted for its absence.
There is also no need to use curse words, such as fu*kton, out of nowhere and for no good reason whatsoever.
The number of Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh, or in Pakistan which is not a member of ASEAN and quite geographically distant from Myanmar, exceeds the number of Rohingya refugees in Indonesia by a comfortable margin.
However, nowhere did I discuss the number of Rohingya refugees until you brought that issue up, unnecessarily.
Indonesia is noted for its absence, on at least two serious occassions in Myanmar. That defeats the claims by member @Indos about Indonesia's supposed leadership role within ASEAN.
Facts, however, tend to disagree with member @Indos.
On the two occasions cited, and in many others I have not yet cited, Indonesian influence is noted for its absence.
There is also no need to use curse words, such as fu*kton, out of nowhere and for no good reason whatsoever.
The number of Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh, or in Pakistan which is not a member of ASEAN and quite geographically distant from Myanmar, exceeds the number of Rohingya refugees in Indonesia by a comfortable margin.
However, nowhere did I discuss the number of Rohingya refugees until you brought that issue up, unnecessarily.
Indonesia is noted for its absence, on at least two serious occassions in Myanmar. That defeats the claims by member @Indos about Indonesia's supposed leadership role within ASEAN.
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This is ridiculous on so many levels, I don't know where to start.
Let's try, nonetheless.
1. Do not make false accusations.
You should not accuse me of lying without evidence.
Indonesia is indeed absent from the two occasions cited as Indonesia has been seen, rightly so, to be unable to exert any influence on Myanmar.
How did @Webslave make you a "think tank analyst"?
Your statement finishes and ends with LOL and adds no statement of any value whatsoever.
Moreover, like most of your other commentary and predictions, the one about Indonesian supposed geopolitical influence has turned out to be false, too.
Those who understand the region better than you, and that includes me as well as all the policymakers in the region and beyond as well as academics who study the region, all agree that Indonesia is not the leader in the region.
The Lowy Institute's ranking of national power in the Asia Pacific region amply demonstrates that. The ranking is backed by verifiable facts and open data. The methodology is transparent and although, the methodology may be questioned, the facts and the data are verifiable and not subject to criticisms or doubts.
This, once again, shows your poor grasp of regional affairs.
Of course, China enjoys greater influence with the junta in Myanmar compared to the democratically elected leader.
This is as true in Myanmar as it is in neighbouring Thailand or Cambodia or Lao.
Or in Chinese neighbours Pakistan or North Korea.
Your repeated usage of LOL, quite unnecessarily and without good effect, makes me question the wisdom of @Webslave's decision to award you with a "virtual think tank title". Not that such virtual think tank titles mean much.
What does water supply have to do with regional influence?
Singapore, as a resource starved island, that has turned into the region's richest and one of the world's richest countries, far ahead of its resource rich neighbour Indonesia is an example for many poor, developing, resource poor, tiny islands around the world.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the same cannot be said about Indonesia.
I doubt that is the case. They have plenty of water nearby, they are an Island. Desalination and water purification is not exactly an arcane science and Singapore - as expected - leads Indonesia in that sector, too.
You may also be glad to know that Singapore has helped such other countries as China, India, Vietnam and your Indonesia with such and other infrastructure projects in the past.
Chinese leadership is more agreeable to a coup because that would mean the leadership in Myanmar would be more pliant to Chinese interests. The Chinese government cared little when ethnic Chinese suffered in Indonesia in 1998. And likewise, their foreign policy is not subject to the sufferings or gains of ethnic Chinese in overseas territories.
Their policies reflect the desires of the CCP to further the interests of the PRC alone, not overseas ethnic Chinese living elsewhere and who have taken up citizenships of other countries (or maybe the descendants of ethnic Chinese in foreign countries).
Singapore came into existence as a country in 1965. The Konfrontasi, between Indonesia and Malaysia, began in 1962 and ended in 1966 with a decisive Indonesian defeat.
There was no Indonesian declaration of war against the Republic of Singapore, that came into existence only in 1965.
Indonesian declaration of war was only against the then newly formed federation of Malaysia.
Yet, you accused me of lying, wrongly, as usual, in this very post of yours.
You should learn to take a look at a mirror and consult some reliable history books to salvage your reputation, if you had any.
Indonesia lost the Konfrontasi because Indonesia was weak, not strong.
Yes, Singapore actively aided Australia in the independence of East Timor from Indonesia. So did other Western allies of Australia.
They managed to only hang Mr Usman Harun, instead.
To me, and I reckon most members and lurkers alike, Singaporean action of hanging Mr Usman & Mr Harun is a far more decisive act, than Indonesian decision to name its naval ship the way it wants.
Let's try, nonetheless.
1. Do not make false accusations.
You should not accuse me of lying without evidence.
Indonesia is indeed absent from the two occasions cited as Indonesia has been seen, rightly so, to be unable to exert any influence on Myanmar.
How did @Webslave make you a "think tank analyst"?
Your statement finishes and ends with LOL and adds no statement of any value whatsoever.
Moreover, like most of your other commentary and predictions, the one about Indonesian supposed geopolitical influence has turned out to be false, too.
Those who understand the region better than you, and that includes me as well as all the policymakers in the region and beyond as well as academics who study the region, all agree that Indonesia is not the leader in the region.
The Lowy Institute's ranking of national power in the Asia Pacific region amply demonstrates that. The ranking is backed by verifiable facts and open data. The methodology is transparent and although, the methodology may be questioned, the facts and the data are verifiable and not subject to criticisms or doubts.
This, once again, shows your poor grasp of regional affairs.
Of course, China enjoys greater influence with the junta in Myanmar compared to the democratically elected leader.
This is as true in Myanmar as it is in neighbouring Thailand or Cambodia or Lao.
Or in Chinese neighbours Pakistan or North Korea.
Your repeated usage of LOL, quite unnecessarily and without good effect, makes me question the wisdom of @Webslave's decision to award you with a "virtual think tank title". Not that such virtual think tank titles mean much.
What does water supply have to do with regional influence?
Singapore, as a resource starved island, that has turned into the region's richest and one of the world's richest countries, far ahead of its resource rich neighbour Indonesia is an example for many poor, developing, resource poor, tiny islands around the world.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the same cannot be said about Indonesia.
I doubt that is the case. They have plenty of water nearby, they are an Island. Desalination and water purification is not exactly an arcane science and Singapore - as expected - leads Indonesia in that sector, too.
You may also be glad to know that Singapore has helped such other countries as China, India, Vietnam and your Indonesia with such and other infrastructure projects in the past.
Chinese leadership is more agreeable to a coup because that would mean the leadership in Myanmar would be more pliant to Chinese interests. The Chinese government cared little when ethnic Chinese suffered in Indonesia in 1998. And likewise, their foreign policy is not subject to the sufferings or gains of ethnic Chinese in overseas territories.
Their policies reflect the desires of the CCP to further the interests of the PRC alone, not overseas ethnic Chinese living elsewhere and who have taken up citizenships of other countries (or maybe the descendants of ethnic Chinese in foreign countries).
Singapore came into existence as a country in 1965. The Konfrontasi, between Indonesia and Malaysia, began in 1962 and ended in 1966 with a decisive Indonesian defeat.
There was no Indonesian declaration of war against the Republic of Singapore, that came into existence only in 1965.
Indonesian declaration of war was only against the then newly formed federation of Malaysia.
Yet, you accused me of lying, wrongly, as usual, in this very post of yours.
You should learn to take a look at a mirror and consult some reliable history books to salvage your reputation, if you had any.
Indonesia lost the Konfrontasi because Indonesia was weak, not strong.
Yes, Singapore actively aided Australia in the independence of East Timor from Indonesia. So did other Western allies of Australia.
They managed to only hang Mr Usman Harun, instead.
To me, and I reckon most members and lurkers alike, Singaporean action of hanging Mr Usman & Mr Harun is a far more decisive act, than Indonesian decision to name its naval ship the way it wants.
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Those are words.
Empty words.
Even those empty words describe Indonesia as "a" leader in ASEAN, not "the" leader in ASEAN. I hope it is easy to distinguish between the two.
The USA, was and is a much closer ally of Australia than it has ever been or will ever be to Indonesia.
If you reject Australian think tank's report which is backed by verifiable data on account of supposed rivalry with Indonesia, you have no grounds to trust any US reports either on the same grounds.
Empty words.
Even those empty words describe Indonesia as "a" leader in ASEAN, not "the" leader in ASEAN. I hope it is easy to distinguish between the two.
The USA, was and is a much closer ally of Australia than it has ever been or will ever be to Indonesia.
If you reject Australian think tank's report which is backed by verifiable data on account of supposed rivalry with Indonesia, you have no grounds to trust any US reports either on the same grounds.
There is ASEAN non-interference principle.
This is from real power, not nobody think thank comes from Indonesian rival, Australia, that you like to post every time every where where no body put weight on their assessment
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Indonesia is a vital partner in the Indo-Pacific Region and U.S.-Indonesia relations have taken on increasing importance. Indonesia is the world’s third largest democracy, largest Muslim-majority country, the seventh-largest economy by purchasing power, and a leader in ASEAN.
U.S. Relations With Indonesia - United States Department of State
More information about Indonesia is available on the Indonesia country page and from other Department of State publications and other sources listed at the end of this fact sheet. U.S.-INDONESIA RELATIONS Indonesia is a vital partner in the Indo-Pacific Region, and U.S.-Indonesia relations have...
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That particular corvette, because of its name, is forbidden access in Singapore territorial waters,it can't sail in any Singaporean port nor can it train alongside Singaporean vessels.
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Mr Usman and Mr Harun were hanged by Singapore.
Indonesian response: Christen a naval ship after them.
It should be clear which of these two actions is more decisive.
Indonesian response: Christen a naval ship after them.
It should be clear which of these two actions is more decisive.
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I think she was under extreme pressure and was threatened by the brass which left her no choice but keep quiet regarding the massacre.
Now even that hasn't saved her skin. She might as well have done something at the time.
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Where is Singapore here ?
Do you think it makes the ship get difficulty to sail around the neighborhood ?
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This is what Lee Kuan Yew did to Usman Harun
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Lobi Maaf Lee Kuan Yew Lewat Tabur Bunga di Makam Usman Harun
Publik Indonesia di masa itu marah. Eksekusi hukuman gantung pada Serda Usman dan Kopral Harun yang mengebom pusat bisnis Singapura tetap dilakukan. Presiden Soeharto sudah meminta sekretaris militer Tjokropranolo melobi Singapura.
