Top 48 air forces in 2020 (based on aircraft quality and quantity)

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i believe it is not right to put ground attack jets, as mostly its chosen of old jets and you can do it way better with drones... the thing it, those who win the air to air battle, actually wins the air power and downs the rest... its not fair to give point to f5 as ground attack jet when single f16 with AESA radar will take almost 10 of them(as many as you can put air to air missiles, from medium range.)
on the other hand, Egypt got their more than 200 f16 but not of them has medium range air to air missiles, which is not really right to put them same as with others.. @500 i really wish you can make a list based on air to air battles..
 

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BTW @500

Curious: What points you assigned to Tejas (if any?), because I don't see it on the points list.
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i believe it is not right to put ground attack jets, as mostly its chosen of old jets and you can do it way better with drones...
Drones have limitations, like small warheads and being slow. Azerbaijani MoD released that Su-25 made 600 sorties in the war. Quite a lot.

the thing it, those who win the air to air battle, actually wins the air power and downs the rest...
Thats why i doubled air to air points.

its not fair to give point to f5 as ground attack jet when single f16 with AESA radar will take almost 10 of them(as many as you can put air to air missiles, from medium range.)
Thats not so easy, plus many quite advanced air forces have these F-5.

on the other hand, Egypt got their more than 200 f16 but not of them has medium range air to air missiles, which is not really right to put them same as with others..
I did downgrade the Egyptian F-16s.

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@500 i really wish you can make a list based on air to air battles..
Can u elaborate?
 

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eat grass every day like mighty Pakistani power
Ehhh what is wrong with eating grass? I eat it everyday. And so do billions of others.

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Ehhh what is wrong with eating grass? I eat it everyday. And so do billions of others.

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The grass that was supposed to be eaten was just good-ol chicken biryani!
 

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1. You again tried to use ad hominems which are unnecessary and drag down the quality of the forum.

Try to address the arguments and ideas rather than the person or individual.

2. You again made unnecessary detours on unrelated topics and came up with useless conclusions.

This thread is about airpower, not about wishful thinking of some CCP bot.

Moreover, rather than some zombie bot in CCP territory, if you like what "professional" sounding think tanks believe, then here's one.


An Aussie think tank.

I am not so easily impressed by "professional" sounding/appearing names as I care more about substance than looks or appearances.

Since the think tank is Aussie, it's fair to say they overrate Aussie national power. Let us exclude Australia from that discussion.

According to their (inaccurate but far more reliable than some CCP-zombie-bot) estimate, these are the most powerful countries of Asia-Pacific region. I have excluded Australia from the list because an Australian think tank is likely to be biased in its favour.

RANK SCORE TREND COUNTRY / TERRITORY


As much as you would like to live in denial, those in the business of studying elements of national power estimate tiny Singapore as ASEAN's most powerful.

Not very flattering for your country, I am afraid.

Also, other smaller countries in ASEAN such as Thailand and Malaysia are said to be more powerful than yours.

Vietnam trails Indonesia but only marginally.

There is no reason to believe Lowy Institute, or any other think tank is the sole arbiter of truth or justice. And definitely not on an issue that is so hard to quantify objectively.

But there is no reason whatsoever to believe Indonesia is the regional big wig, unlike what you would have many members here believe.

Singapore is essentially an American protectorate today, as you rightly explained. They've also cozied up with India, another archenemy of Muslims worldwide. As they have done with Zionist regime/Israel.

Understandably, their evil nature and actions should be revealed to the world. No doubt about that, not one bit.

Still, some undeniable facts can not be changed by wishful thinking.

That Singapore maintains, according to this list, a considerably more powerful air force than any other ASEAN country, also a more powerful navy than any other ASEAN country, and that it does not expand its military might further, visibly, in order not to spark an arms race in the region given the already very significant and visible lead.


Within the wider "Muslim world", it is even harder to see Indonesia as a leader of any sorts. Not when it lacks in financial power, it lacks any definitively attractive ideology, when it lacks soft power, and most importantly, when it lacks any considerable amount of hard power or scientific and technological lead over all other countries in its bloc - the "Muslim world".

3. You should not continue on this path of emotional outbursts and irrelevant detours replete with irrelevant facts and inconsistent logic and argumentation.

No need for any ad hominems.

4. You are free, to explain in great details, how Indonesian air power, naval power, technological marvels, scientific advancements, space programme, nuclear programme lead either the ASEAN region, or the wider "Muslim world", or both.

LOL why dont you put Australia on the list ?? Try to hide how bias they are ?? He he weird that they put Russia under Japan and even India......


This think thank is nobody and even I believe Australia government will not use its analysis about geopolitical weight in the region. They are bias and put all Commenwealth nation in higher place. They made this analysis to put Indonesia influence down as Indonesia is Australia main rival in the region.

You, South Asian Muslim usually put Chinese/CCP in a high position but some how why you say him as CCP bot when he said something that back my claim which is actually inline with all of state actors like US administration and Japan administration treat Indonesia ??? State actors are more responsible in making any judgement over geopolitical weight since they are the actual player and will face real consequence if making any misleading judgement, unlike NGO like Lowy Institute from Australia.

After I give you China views about Indonesia, I give you US administration view about my country here:


U.S.-INDONESIA RELATIONS


Indonesia is a vital partner in the Indo-Pacific Region and U.S.-Indonesia relations have taken on increasing importance. Indonesia is the world’s third largest democracy, largest Muslim-majority country, the seventh-largest economy by purchasing power, and a leader in ASEAN. It possesses the world’s greatest marine biodiversity and its second greatest terrestrial biodiversity. Indonesia also borders the South China Sea, which has the world’s busiest sea lanes — over $5 trillion in cargo and as much as 50 percent of the world’s oil tankers pass through the South China Sea every year.


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China view

The current world structure was basically built with the US as its center. I suppose, in the future world, there might not be any country that can build the world with itself as the core. The world won't be polarized but multipolar: China is growing; Russia remains a strong power; Germany and India are rising; and regional big powers like Indonesia are also getting a bigger role on the international stage.


Recent geopolitics in ASEAN

The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership
Published on 27 May 2019
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The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), is a proposed free trade agreement (FTA) between ASEAN countries and six Asia-Pacific countries. Indonesia is the ASEAN coordinator for RCEP and has led recent negotiations for RCEP. It is hoped to complete the deal this year. RECP is expected to contain a detailed IP chapter, incorporating a TRIPS+ model, that is IP provisions designed to go beyond TRIPS.


Indonesia has taken a leadership role within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in drafting a common outlook on the Indo-Pacific concept. The widening of Indonesia's geostrategic canvas from the Asia–Pacific to the Indo-Pacific is in line with President Joko Widodo's intent to make Indonesia a Global Maritime Fulcrum (GMF). In view of the rivalry between the US and China and the emergence of various Indo-Pacific initiatives from other countries, Indonesia believes that ASEAN must try to maintain its centrality. The draft of Indonesia's perspective for an ASEAN outlook on the Indo-Pacific: towards a peaceful, prosperous, and inclusive region was submitted for considerations by ASEAN, and after 18 months of intensive lobbying by Indonesia the concept was finally adopted at the ASEAN Summit in June 2019. The ASEAN outlook promotes the principles of openness, inclusiveness, transparency, respect for international law and ASEAN centrality in the Indo-Pacific region. It proposes a building-block approach, seeking commonalities between existing regional initiatives in which ASEAN-led mechanisms will act as a fulcrum for both norm-setting and concrete cooperation. Rather than creating a new regional architecture, the East Asia Summit (EAS) is proposed as the platform for advancing the Indo-Pacific discourse and cooperation. Indonesia's ASEAN outlook on the Indo-Pacific marks its renewed foreign policy activism as a middle power and underlines the continuing importance that Indonesia places on ASEAN as the cornerstone of its foreign policy, emphasising ASEAN's centrality as the primary vehicle for managing relations with the major powers in the Indo-Pacific region.


More neutral writer here:


PS: That were achieved during Vietnamese (and previously other ASEAN countries) rotating Chairman period, so despite who will become ASEAN rotating Chairman, Indonesia is still regarded as the most important country within ASEAN that can be seen with recent RCEP negotiation and Indonesia Indo-Pacific proposal that is adopted by ASEAN (This proposal push all ASEAN members to only recognize UNCLOS when it comes to SCS dispute, so it also shows Indonesia is able to overcome China influence within ASEAN from their cozy relationship with Indo-China countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia).

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You also can see peace process in ASEAN like in Philippine-Moro and Cambodia-Vietnam peace agreement where Indonesia is the signatory beside European one and in Thailand-Cambodia conflict Indonesia also become the trusted mediator. Just google.

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The last one, do you know where ASEAN headquarter is ???


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The fleet numbers are from Flight International WAF 2021.

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Air/Ground points:

F-16C = 1/1
F-16A = 0.7/0.8
F-16AM = 1/0.8
F-16A OCU = 1/0.9
F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2
F-15A = 1.2/0.5
F-15C = 1.3/0.5
F-15E = 1.4/1.5
F-15S = 1.3/1.4
F-15SG = 1.5/1.5
F-18A = 1/1.1
F-18C = 1.05/1.15
F-18F = 1.3/1.3
F-2 = 1.3/1.2
F-16AM = 1/08
F-22 = 3/1
F-35A = 2.5/2.5
F-35B = 2.3/2.2
Mirage 2000 = 1/1
Typhoon (MESA radar) = 1.4/1.1
Rafale (PESA radar) = 1.3/1.2
Tornado IDS = 0.5/1.2
Tornado ADV = 1/0.6
F-4 = 0.3/0.6
F-4 Terminator = 0.6/1
Su-27 = 1.2/0.4
Su-27SM = 1.3/0.8
Su-35 = 1.4/1.2
MiG-29 = 0.9/0.5
MiG-29SMT = 1/1
Su-30MKI = 1.3/1.2
Su-30MKK = 1.2/1.2
MiG-21 aka J7 = 0.25/0.35
MiG-27 = 0.2/0.7
JF-17 = 0.9/0.8
AMX = 0.2/0.5
Mirage F.1 = 0.7/0.8
Mirage 3/5 = 0.25/0.35
Jaguar = 0.2/0.6
F-5 = 0.25/0.35
J-20 = 2.7/1
J-10 = 1/1
J-8 = 0.6/0.4
JH-7 = 0.5/1.1
Q-5 = 0.1/0.4
H-6 = 0/2

T-22M3 = 0/3
Tu-95 = 0/6
Tu-160 = 0/8
B-1B = 0/9
B-2A = 0/10
B-52H = 0/6.5

E-3, Phalcon, KJ-2000, Boeing 737 = 8/2
Saab, KJ-200 = 6/1.5
E-2C, ZDK-03 = 4/1

jet, A400 tankers = 2/6
KC-130, H-6 tankers = 1/4

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Fleet numbers:

Australia

66 F-18A
24 F-18F
26 F-35A
6 Boeing 737 AEW&C
6 A-330 tanker

Azerbaijan

10 MiG-29
5 MiG-21
12 Su-25

Algeria

13 MiG-25
32 MiG-29
23 Su-24
57 Su-30MKA
3 Il-78MT

Belarus

4 Su-30
39 MiG-29
68 Su-25

Belgium

51 F-16AM

Brazil

47 F-5E
56 AMX
5 Erieye AEW
2 KC-130H tankers

China

235 J-10
20 J-20
99 Su-30MKK
231 Su-27 and J-11
24 Su-35
96 J-8
388 J-7 (MiG-21)
69 JH-7
118 Q-5
120 H-6 (Tu-16)
4 KJ-2000 AEW
25 KJ-500 and Y-8 AEW
3 IL-78 tanker
10 H-6 tanker

Chile

46 F-16A
13 F-5E
1 797 AEW
2 KC-130 tanker
3 KC-135 tanker

Canada

85 F-18A
2 A-310 tanker
4 KC-130

Denmark

44 F-16AM

Egypt

5 Su-35
24 Rafale
44 MiG-29M
218 F-16C
19 Mirage 2000
13 Alpha Jet
75 Mirage V
7 E-2C AEW

Finland

62 F-18C/D
1 C285 AEW

France

102 Rafale
132 Mirage 2000
4 E-3
14 KC-135
3 A330 tanker
4 A400 tanker

Germany

137 Typhoon
81 Tornado IDS
30 Tornado ECR
3 A310 tanker
4 A400 tanker

Greece

93 F-16C/D
60 F-16C block 52+
42 Mirage 2000
33 F-4E Icarus
4 Erieye AEW

India

242 Su-30MKI
5 Rafale
57 Mirage 2000
65 MiG-29
132 MiG-21Bis
17 Tejas
160 Jaguar
3 Phalcon AEW
2 ERJ-145 AEW
6 IL-78MKI

Indonesia

23 F-16C
10 F-16A
5 Su-27
11 Su-30MK2
23 Hawk 209
15 EMB-314
15 T-50
1 KC-130 tanker

Iran

26 F-14
19 MiG-29
12 Mirage F1
17 F-7
63 F-4E
38 F-5
23 Su-24
6 Boeing 707 tanker

Iraq

34 F-16IQ
21 Su-25
10 L-159

Israel

23 F-35A
25 F-15I
41 F-15 C/D
16 F-15 A/B
99 F-16I
125 F-16C/D
2 G550 AEW
7 KC-707 tanker
4 KC-130 tanker

Italy

13 F-35A
92 Typhoon
59 Tornado IDS
14 Tornado ECR
37 AMX
4 KC-767 tankers
6 KC-130 tankers
2 G550 AEW

Japan

17 F-35A/B
88 F-2
200 F-15C/D
39 F-4E
4 E-767 AEW
17 E-2C AEW
4 KC-767
2 KC-130

Jordan

44 F-16A MLU

Kazakhstan

16 Su-30
20 Su-27
24 MiG-29
20 MiG-31
12 MiG-27
3 MiG-23
13 Su-24
14 Su-25

South Korea

16 F-35A
59 F-15K
123 F-16C/D
44 F-16C block 52+
60 FA-50
71 F-4E
156 F-5E
4 Boeing 737 AEW
4 A330 tanker

North Korea

35 Mig-29
56 Mig-23
26 MiG-21
120 F-7
97 F-6
106 F-5
80 H-5
34 Su-25
18 Su-7

Malaysia

18 Su-30MKM
8 F-18D
13 Hawk 208
4 KC-130 tanker

Netherlands

12 F-35A
57 F-16A OCU
1 KDC-10

Norway

25 F-35
53 F-16AM

Oman

12 Typhoon
23 F-16C
10 Hawk 203

Pakistan

109 JF-17
13 F-16ADF
45 F-16A/B OCU
18 F-16C block 52+
69 Mirage III
90 Mirage V
135 F-7
5 Erieye AEW
4 ZDK-03 AEW
5 Il-76 tanker

Peru

9 MiG-29
12 Mirage 2000
7 Su-25
20 A-37

Poland

48 F-16C block 52+
29 MiG-29
32 Su-22

Russia

131 MiG-31BM
88 Su-35
71 Su-27SM
134 Su-30
20 Su-27
70 MiG-29
52 MiG-29SMT
110 Su-24
125 Su-34
195 Su-25
66 Tu-22M3
42 Tu-95
16 Tu-160
15 A-50 AEW
19 Il-78 tanker

Saudi Arabia

72 Typhoon
74 F-15C/D
70 F-15S
84 F-15SA
81 Tornado IDS
2 Saab 2000 AEW
5 E-3 AEW
7 707 tanker
6 A330 tanker
9 KC-130 tanker

Singapore

40 F-15SG
40 F-16C
20 F-16C block 52+
5 A330 tanker
4 G550 AEW
5 KC-130 tanker

Sweden

94 Gripen
2 Saab 340 AEW
1 KC-130 tanker

Switzerland

30 F/A-18C
36 F-5E

Spain

68 Typhoon
72 F-18A
4 A400 tanker
5 KC-130 tanker

Syria

20 MiG-29
2 MiG-25
87 MiG-23
51 MiG-21
39 Su-22
18 Su-24

Taiwan

55 Mirage 2000
140 F-16AM
129 F-CK-1
26 F-5E
6 E-2C

Thailand

11 JAS 39
14 F-16ADF
39 F-16A OCU
34 F-5
18 Alpha Jet
2 Saab 340 AEW

Turkey

211 F-16 C/D
34 F-16 block 50+
48 F-4 Terminator 2020
4 Boeing 737 AEW
7 KC-135 tanker

UAE

78 F-16E
59 Mirage 2000
2 Saab 340
3 A-330 tanker

UK

15 F-35B
119 Typhoon
3 E-3 AEW
9 A330 tanker

USA

266 A-10
26 AC-130J/U
59 B-1B
19 B-2A
74 B-52H
236 F-15C
219 F-15E
939 F-16C
178 F-22
116 F-35A
31 E-3 AEW
396 KC-135 tanker
58 KDC-10 tanker
36 KC-46 tanker
65 MC-130 tanker

Ukraine

24 MiG-29
32 Su-27
12 Su-24
13 Su-25

Uzbekistan

26 Su-27
39 MiG-29
20 Su-25

Vietnam

35 Su-30
11 Su-27
34 Su-22

Venezuela

22 Su-30MK
20 F-16A
6 F-5A
1 707 tanker


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Final points:

1) USA - 14028
2) Russia - 3468
3) China - 3383
4) India - 1708
5) Saudi Arabia - 1647
6) Japan - 1406
7) Israel - 1352
8) South Korea - 1346
9) France - 1078
10) Turkey - 1049

11) Taiwan - 983
12) Egypt - 949
13) Pakistan - 933
14) Germany - 850
15) Italy - 771
16) Greece - 726
17) UK - 710
18) Australia - 661
19) Spain - 558
20) UAE - 530

21) Singapore - 520
22) North Korea - 378
23) Algeria - 370
24) Norway - 341
25) Iran - 325
26) Canada - 308
27) Sweden - 306
28) Syria - 297
29) Netherlands - 265
30) Kazakhstan - 258

31) Poland - 246
32) Thailand - 247
33) Finland - 215
34) Vietnam - 184
35) Uzbekistan - 181
36) Indonesia - 181
37) Ukraine - 171
38) Brazil - 170
39) Belarus - 166
40) Chile - 161

41) Belgium - 143
42) Switzerland - 141
43) Venezuela - 140
44) Denmark -128
45) Jordan - 128
46) Malaysia - 125
47) Oman - 121
48) Iraq - 116
49) Peru - 67

Do you really think Thailand Airforce is better than Indonesia Air Force ? As far as I know most of their F 16 dont have BVR capability while Indonesia have 26 F 16 with BVR capability (AIM-120 C 7) and also 16 Su 27/30.

Our 10 F 16 A/B has been undergoing refurbished and upgrade in Madiun, East Java, and three of them have been able to fire AIM 120 C 7.


 

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Do you really think Thailand Airforce is better than Indonesia Air Force ? As far as I know most of their F 16 dont have BVR capability while Indonesia have 26 F 16 with BVR capability (AIM-120 C 7) and also 16 Su 27/30.

Our 10 F 16 A/B has been undergoing refurbished and upgrade in Madiun, East Java, and three of them have been able to fire AIM 120 C 7.



Their F16 doing MLU far earlier than us and had already incorporated Dash helmet
 

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Btw if the MoD planning going smoothly there is 48 Rafale, 15 Typhoon and 11 Su 35 will joint the Air Force in the next five to ten years. As they had set budget for 11 Su 35 this year and possibly set contract for Rafale on the end of 2020, this will tremendously increased Indonesia Air Force capability signicantly. And there is plan for 32 light fighter (candidate is T/A 50 golden Eagle) and AEW Aircraft possibly wedgetail along with A330 MRTT.
 

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Btw if the MoD planning going smoothly there is 48 Rafale, 15 Typhoon and 11 Su 35 will joint the Air Force in the next five to ten years. As they had set budget for 11 Su 35 this year and possibly set contract for Rafale on the end of 2020, this will tremendously increased Indonesia Air Force capability signicantly. And there is plan for 32 light fighter (candidate is T/A 50 golden Eagle) and AEW Aircraft possibly wedgetail along with A330 MRTT.
So that down payment is for Su 35 ?
 

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Greeks believe Turkish pilots are mostly Pakistani 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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So what ? You know money is everything, we had the money and sure we don't need to eat grass every day like mighty Pakistani power

That is a highly contentious and I might even say, erroneous philosophy of yours.

No country actually believes in that philosophy.

They can not, by definition.

The very definition of sovereignty requires the ability to defend a state's borders against external aggression.

Many countries in Asia that were considered rich by European imperial powers were plundered all the same. Subsequently, they were colonized.

Let us not devalue the work of @500 by chatting about irrelevant topics.
 

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