TR Turkic- Military culture thread

[Manomed]

Abdullah calling secularism obsolete while thinking persian and arabic culture is turks original culture I can just say muslim and non turk moment

 

[Ardabas34]

I don't necessarily disagree with the core of the sentiment but the problem is that certain, ahem, "hardliners" consider literally anything "westernization" even something as simple as believing that education and critical thinking should not be marred by religious dogma or that women should be permitted a degree of freedom and safety from physical abuse.

Thats the punchline of the joke, I am afraid.
Oh they will tell you about scientists who died 1000 years ago.

The biggest brainfuck I have ever experienced was that in a youtube video, when a historian said European enlightenment didnt happen because of Christianity but despite Christianity, this bigot in the comment section said yeah Christianity isnt compatible with science, good thing our lovely religion Islam is!

 

[Ryder]

Thats the punchline of the joke, I am afraid.
Oh they will tell you about scientists who died 1000 years ago.

The biggest brainfuck I have ever experienced was that in a youtube video, when a historian said European enlightenment didnt happen because of Christianity but despite Christianity, this bigot in the comment section said yeah Christianity isnt compatible with science, good thing our lovely religion Islam is!

Islam and Christianity are not Anti science. But Modern Science and the Abrahamic religions contradict each other.

Muslims and Christians saw science as a way to prove God existed. I dont believe the dark ages myth a lot of historians no longer believe in the "dark ages".

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Abdullah calling secularism obsolete while thinking persian and arabic culture is turks original culture I can just say muslim and non turk moment

His talking about kemalism.

 

[Manomed]

Islam and Christianity are not Anti science. But Modern Science and the Abrahamic religions contradict each other.

Muslims and Christians saw science as a way to prove God existed. I dont believe the dark ages myth a lot of historians no longer believe in the "dark ages".



His talking about kemalism.

Kemalism is still better than arabs desert religion

 

[Ryder]

People dont realise this but the Seljuks destroyed the Mutazlite doctrine as they saw themselves as the champions of Sunni Islam. Mutaziltes were seen as the creed of reason and logic but they did oppress and get people killed for not believing in their doctrine.

Kemalism is still better than arabs desert religion

Islam is stronger than Kemalism. Has always been. Kemalism has never destroyed Islam. Is Kemalism even followed properly nowadays barely actually. You are talking about a ideology that was born in the 1920s vs a religion that was already 1000 years old. Turkey also placed a lot of restrictions on the religion still came back. It cant be denied that Islam has been in Anatolia for centuries that it cant wiped out overnight. Chp even today moved on from kemalism and has become more social democrat.

Islam has a strong foundation. But its in decline.

Islam or any other religion wont able to survive capitalism, science and technology. Its a global trend.

As christianity has empty churches, Islam is also ending up the same.

Globalisation might be the most critised thing on the planet but it cant be stopped. Globalisation has been happening for centuries. Then you have demographics altering countries as they become more cosmopolitan.

Only way to escape it unless you close yourself in some island like the Senitiel Islanders lol

 

[Ryder]

Why does modern Science contradict Islam and Christianity.

One believe Science should be used to prove the existence of God and exalt his name while Modern Science is all about challenging everything including proving that there is no God.

Religions, cultures and civilisations conducted science there own way.

For some it might be reason and for the others its about God. Or the other just sees science as a way to better something like mankind, his community or the world.

People seem to throw that Islam and Christianity hate or contradict science. Not true they had their own forms of conducting science.

Just because we run on modern science does not mean the old is trash.

 

[Ryder]

Erdogan wanted a pious generation but instead that backfired.

Because of a global trend. People are leaving religion.

You cant combat progress like capitalism, modern science and technology.

Karl Marx supported the North during the American civil war and outlined his reasons for it.

-South was more conservative
-South was more feudal like
-South was more behind than the North.

By believing the North will win. This will allow the South to progress.

Karl Marx believed that progress created the conditions for a communist revolution.

Im not making this shit up people.

Former communist countries might going for a religious revival but I pointed above that revival will fall off soon.

 

[Ryder]

Islamists lost the culture war and also the political war of the modern world.

They know it. Everytime they came into power they promised to do away with the old secular dictatorships only to become a Islamist dictatorship example is Iran and Afghanistan.

Also corruption becomes rife along with economic issues. Tbey get brought down then comes the Secular overlords who continue where they left off. Because corruption is a great thing.

Now on topic.

The Timurid army faces the elephants of the Delhi Sultanate.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1437516151135916035

Turkmens gave the Russians their run for their money. Turkmens gave the Russians some stinging defeats that it got heard across the world.

@asena_great

 

[Ryder]

Battle of Myriokephalon​

The Seljuks destroy a Byzantine/Crusader coalition. This victory confirmed that the Turks wont be going anywhere in Anatolia and are now the new players of the region.

 

[Ryder]

The Battle of Sakarya of 1921.

Turning point of the Greco-Turkish war of the Turkish independance war.

Turkish victory led to the Greeks to lose the intiative which led to their withdrawal and subsequent counter attack from the Turkish army led by Ataturk would lead to Greece losing all of its gains in Western Anatolia.

During its retreat Greek forces deployed sorch earth tactics by burning down vilages and poisoning wells to stop the rapid advance of the Turkish army.

Armenian and Greek militias were also employed to do this. Thats why culprits of burning Izmir are the Armenians or the Greeks.

Izmir was a prize that the Turks wanted. Makes no sense for them to burn down a prized possesion.

 

[Ryder]

Ghaznavid Empire was the first of the Turks and the Muslims to use elephants in their armies.

There is also debates whether the White Huns used them first before the Ghaznavids.

White Huns were basically a mix of Proto Turks, Proto Mongols and Iranian nomads. I do believe they are Turkic or maybe a mix.

War elephant was like the tank of ita time but it also had a lot of drawbacks. Lets all be honest imagine a elephant charging you has to be the stuff of nightmares. They are also loud imagine the horror.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442045724120666112

Funny how the Turks in the past had no problem in saying Allah or Tanri.

If a Turk says Allah dont get triggered and if a Turk prefers saying Tanri dont get triggered.

Tanri and Allah all means God at the end of the day.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440541369072713733

Yavuz Sultan Selim sent soldiers and military advisors to help Babur in his conquests.

This move set the stage for Ottoman-Mughal relations.

Interesting especially how Babur was a descendant of Timur for sure some Ottomans got triggered by Yavuz's move. As it said geopolitics means you put feelings aside.

 

[Ardabas34]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440541369072713733

Yavuz Sultan Selim sent soldiers and military advisors to help Babur in his conquests.

This move set the stage for Ottoman-Mughal relations.

Interesting especially how Babur was a descendant of Timur for sure some Ottomans got triggered by Yavuz's move. As it said geopolitics means you put feelings aside.

Selim I actually first supported Baburs rival Ubeidullah because Shah Ismail supported Babur with his elite cavalry Qizilbash. Actually Safavid-Babur alliance dated all the way back to Central Asia. After seeing Babur is going to be successful regardless, Selim I got scared India will be under Safavid influence so he changed his policy towards Babur and tried to be friendly with him and sent him cannoneers and musketeers.
So Babur enjoyed the cream of two Turkic empires militaries: elite Qizilbash cavalry of the Safavids, musketeers and cannoneers of Ottomans.

What is interesting was one of the name of the military advisors Selim sent.

Ustad Ali Quli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ryder]

Selim I actually first supported Baburs rival Ubeidullah because Shah Ismail supported Babur with his elite cavalry Qizilbash. Actually Safavid-Babur alliance dated all the way back to Central Asia. After seeing Babur is going to be successful regardless, Selim I got scared India will be under Safavid influence so he changed his policy towards Babur and tried to be friendly with him and sent him cannoneers and musketeers.
So Babur enjoyed the cream of two Turkic empires militaries: elite Qizilbash cavalry of the Safavids, musketeers and cannoneers of Ottomans.

What is interesting was one of the name of the military advisors Selim sent.

Ustad Ali Quli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Uzbek Khans which the Ottomans supported were descended from Genghis Khan.

The Safavids and Babur defeating the Uzbeks led to a uturn with the Ottomans. Yavuz and Babur had hostile relations until Yavuz made amends due to Babur and the Safavids being close you know it worked against them if this happened as you said India would be under Safavid influence.

Ottomans knew how to come to terms with reality especially at the time.

I think Turkey needs to stop backing losing horses like MB of Egypt or Hamas. It damages us in the long term.

 

[Ardabas34]

Ottomans knew how to come to terms with reality especially at the time.

I think Turkey needs to stop backing losing horses like MB of Egypt or Hamas. It damages us in the long term.

Yeah, that has been a nice paralel to todays politics.

 

[Ryder]

Yeah, that has been a nice paralel to todays politics.

Some times things dont go our way.

Even our ancestors knew when to stop.

They knew how to play the game of chess.

 

[Manomed]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442045724120666112

Funny how the Turks in the past had no problem in saying Allah or Tanri.

If a Turk says Allah dont get triggered and if a Turk prefers saying Tanri dont get triggered.

Tanri and Allah all means God at the end of the day.

Early ottomans banners had the tengri symbol on them

Tengrian crescent. Crescent does not come from islam in our culture we were using crescents before turks became muslims.

 

[Ryder]

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Tengrian crescent. Crescent does not come from islam in our culture we were using crescents before turks became muslims.

Crescent has never been an Islamic symbol. Mainly Christians or the West that associates the Crescent with Islam. Islam has no official symbol.

Also many cultures also used the cresecent.