TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Heartbang]

TR needs to implement US air force's rapid dragon technology ASAP.

 

[Zafer]

As far as i know, you can't. Having a payload capacity is one thing but being able to load oversizde cargo is another. Cargo bay doors and general structure of MRRT is not compatible to load oversized cargo. A330 MRRT's body is configured like its civilian version, there are partitioned in two.(lower and main deck). Also the cargo doors is at the side of the aircraft and both of these limits the oversized cargo loading.

MRRT is good for general and humanitarian cargo flights but it can't replace A400 or the Ukranian alternatives. It will be complement them well though and will be good for alternative troop transfer and tanker duties.(It will be great for our tanker fleet)

You have a point, but then we can come up with a new design that combines best of both worlds.
We will still have to consider engine options and availability though.
I don't think we should be able to carry very heavy single piece payloads like tanks but smaller weight.
It should have more of multi role functions and less of large piece capability.
Like carrying helicopters and drones and smaller infantry vehicles and some artillery but not tanks.

 

[what]

Good God, you're right. Why does Germany need so many planes? Which country are they planning to invade?

Germany highly values logistics.

 

[Huelague]

Germany highly values logistics.

Yes, and second , its a german baby at all.

 

[HTurk]

Germany highly values logistics.

What Germany does is just the other extreme on the scale. Valuing logistics over functioning weapon systems is not by any means more meaningful than what the Russians did.

Cut the order in half and spent the additional funding on a missile defense system.

 

[Huelague]

What Germany does is just the other extreme on the scale. Valuing logistics over functioning weapon systems is not by any means more meaningful than what the Russians did.

Cut the order in half and spent the additional funding on a missile defense system.

No, its a smart move. You can use A400 for civil missions. Try it with a missile system.

 

[HTurk]

No, its a smart move. You can use A400 for civil missions. Try it with a missile system.

No, it's not. Germany does not need so many A400 planes but it urgently needs a missile defense system.

 

[Huelague]

No, it's not. Germany does not need so many A400 planes but it urgently needs a missile defense system.

No, Germany needs nothing of them. For which purpose? Germany is under NATO/USA protection. Thats why NATO/USA pissed of. We can discuss here, if weapons are really needed or not. At the end, 2 mayor arguments of this fleets are. Logistic value and the project as a German one.

 

[TheInsider]

Germany is subsidizing its own product.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511757560763797508

 

[TheInsider]

I hope congress denies the sale.

 

[Manomed]

I hope congress denies the sale.

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[BalkanTurk90]

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If Congress denies that is not big problem for Turkey , i dont understand why at first place Turkiye is buying those extra 40 jeta f16 that will come years ahead like in 2025/6 by then Turkey very easy can Modify Hurjet into 'F16' just new bigger engine and enlarged body .

 

[Heartbang]

If Congress denies that is not big problem for Turkey , i dont understand why at first place Turkiye is buying those extra 40 jeta f16 that will come years ahead like in 2025/6 by then Turkey very easy can Modify Hurjet into 'F16' just new bigger engine and enlarged body .

modifying Hürjets means starting over the certification process. time lost for no reason. unless youre also integrating domestic engine in it, there is no reason to do so.

 

[TheInsider]

We discussed this matter a lot. No new F-16 jets can be delivered before 2027-2028 unless the US agrees to set up a production line at TAI which is highly unlikely for 40 new fighters. There are fewer problems with the modernization of old F-16s. Serial modernization can be done rather quickly at TAI with the modernization kits provided by LM but the modernization and tests of the first prototype have to be done first which will take time. Look at the Greek F-16 modernization process. If we sign the deal in 2023 we can get the first modernized F-16 in 2025 at the earliest. By that time MIUS will be ready for delivery, Turkish national F-16 modernization will be going on for a while, the Hurjet trainer version will be delivered and the armed version will be in the pipeline. The maiden flight of the TF-X will happen. Turkish air-defense missile family including Siper will be delivered in numbers. So there is no merit for this deal to happen except for putting political pressure, consequences of rejection, and leaving the table on the US side.

 

[Hexciter]

Germany have 53 A400s on order while France plans to have 50. France has many overseas territories to cover but why would Germany need so many of them?

Half of them (Germany’s) was on sale already

 

[the]

We discussed this matter a lot. No new F-16 jets can be delivered before 2027-2028 unless the US agrees to set up a production line at TAI which is highly unlikely for 40 new fighters. There are fewer problems with the modernization of old F-16s. Serial modernization can be done rather quickly at TAI with the modernization kits provided by LM but the modernization and tests of the first prototype have to be done first which will take time. Look at the Greek F-16 modernization process. If we sign the deal in 2023 we can get the first modernized F-16 in 2025 at the earliest. By that time MIUS will be ready for delivery, Turkish national F-16 modernization will be going on for a while, the Hurjet trainer version will be delivered and the armed version will be in the pipeline. The maiden flight of the TF-X will happen. Turkish air-defense missile family including Siper will be delivered in numbers. So there is no merit for this deal to happen except for putting political pressure and consequences of rejection and leaving the table on the US side.

At this point only the F-35 would be worthwhile, but that's near impossible.

Ideally, the $1.4bn should be returned and invested into national projects but I thought I read somewhere that the money sent to purchase the F-35s could not be reimbursed i.e. would need to be spent on something else deemed acceptable by US or would simply be held/become idle cash, which is why F-16s became the focal point of disucussions.

 

[Ravenman]

We should have make a deal for the F-15. A fleet with F-15's, F-16's and TFX would be terrifying for our neighbours and rivals.

 

[Ryder]

Give our F35s instead of the F16V.

But both are fine.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We discussed this matter a lot. No new F-16 jets can be delivered before 2027-2028 unless the US agrees to set up a production line at TAI which is highly unlikely for 40 new fighters. There are fewer problems with the modernization of old F-16s. Serial modernization can be done rather quickly at TAI with the modernization kits provided by LM but the modernization and tests of the first prototype have to be done first which will take time. Look at the Greek F-16 modernization process. If we sign the deal in 2023 we can get the first modernized F-16 in 2025 at the earliest. By that time MIUS will be ready for delivery, Turkish national F-16 modernization will be going on for a while, the Hurjet trainer version will be delivered and the armed version will be in the pipeline. The maiden flight of the TF-X will happen. Turkish air-defense missile family including Siper will be delivered in numbers. So there is no merit for this deal to happen except for putting political pressure and consequences of rejection and leaving the table on the US side.

True but let us be a little bit optimistic and think out loud about another alternative:
Tusas has experience in setting out production line for F16 planes.
Tusas can manufacture all the fuselage and most of the plane if not all.
Tusas has local companies that can manufacture most parts.
TEI/GE will manufacture the engine.
It would be at Lockheed Martin’s interest to contract Tusas to produce our F16s and a portion of it’s current order book of F16s in Turkey. That way get Tusas to produce the planes and have them flown to another site, like Italy, to confirm quality etc, and sell them to Turkey under FMS. (Like they did with the Peaxe Onyx program)
That would cut down the timescale drastically and be cost saving on LM’s part.

Just thinking out loud!!