At some point, stealth loses its importance. Let's say F-35 sees KE at 20km and KE sees F-35 at 10km. The fighter with 360-degree IR detection and tracking will have the upper hand.
KE vs F35 makes as much sense as Kaan vs F35
Stealth seems to be the determining factor, see first shoot first. Question is how stealth is KE and how stealth will be Kaan (assuming that 0.01 RCS is a real value for F35, cos honestly we do not know the real RCS of F35 neither)
In which way? Agility, mobility , manoeuvre, speed, reaction..?F16 beats F35 in dogfight
Point of having new and capable 4th, or rather 4.5, gen planes is not to have them go against 5th gen planes. 5th gen planes are expensive to produce AND to fly, that's why even US and China is still buying/producing 4th gen planes. When US air force asked the Congress for permission to retire 150 aircraft, neither F-16s nor F-15s were included in that list. You don't need to use an F-35/J-20 for every mission, sometimes an F-15 or J-10 does the job just fine. Why put extra hours on the engine and the frame unnecessarily, and for a high price? Smaller nations that barely have an air force worth mentioning might transition all the way to 5th gen but for nations that have to have a big air force for diverse missions it is neither economical nor logical.A 4th gen fighter jet stands no chance against 5th gen.
Hürjet is a year or two away from starting its production as a trainer. There isn't even a proper light attack configuration yet, let alone a naval version. It isn't even a naval aircraft, there are multiple parts/systems that would have to be changed for it to be one. And TCG Anadolu itself would have to go through major changes to be able to use Hürjet, hell as it is, it won't even be able to use KE.One should not rely on others and not spend a cent more in the USA & Europe. Instead, use the money you would pay for the Eurofighter/F-16 to invest directly in the Hürjet & F-16 Özgur I & II and accelerate them to the absolute maximum.
So that everything is completed in 2-3 years at the latest and all Turkish F-16s are upgraded to the equivalent of Block 70.
And 10 additional Hürjets will be available as Block 0 for TCG Anadolu.
Then 10 more Hürjets every year, and we would have a buffer until KAAN arrives.
Then neither Greece nor Saudi Arabia & Co would have a certain head start.
The KAAN project can then be completed in parallel without any pressure, and at least 3-4 prototypes can be produced by 2029 to correct all errors. The first Block 0 could then be produced directly with its own engine in 2030.
Until then, there would also be the opportunity to make minor design changes to the aircraft, and additionally to get an improved version of MURAD AESA radar as version 2.0, and improved AVIONIK and the radar-absorbing coating/painting from the findings of the Anka 3/Kizilelma and F-16 Özgur and Hürjet.
Yes I guess so, not my opinion but that of an experienced US pilot.In which way? Agility, mobility , manoeuvre, speed, reaction..?
Point of having new and capable 4th, or rather 4.5, gen planes is not to have them go against 5th gen planes. 5th gen planes are expensive to produce AND to fly, that's why even US and China is still buying/producing 4th gen planes. When US air force asked the Congress for permission to retire 150 aircraft, neither F-16s nor F-15s were included in that list. You don't need to use an F-35/J-20 for every mission, sometimes an F-15 or J-10 does the job just fine. Why put extra hours on the engine and the frame unnecessarily, and for a high price? Smaller nations that barely have an air force worth mentioning might transition all the way to 5th gen but for nations that have to have a big air force for diverse missions it is neither economical nor logical.
F35 doesn't even have a useable cannon so ( B and C don't have ir and A has defective cannon) so obviously F16 is gonna be the better dogfighter. But it really doesn't mean anything in practice when you get shot down from 100km.
I am little bit sceptical about that. I think its more the pilot than the jet itself who makes the different. F-16 is a 50! years old jet. They know all their ins and outs. In contrast to the F-35.Yes I guess so, not my opinion but that of an experienced US pilot.
Greece, Iran, Armenia..if these are possible enemies in the future, dogfights are very likely.Besides dogfights nowadays only occur during training with "friendly" forces. When was the last time a fighter jet was downed in a dogfight?
It's not just about F-16 vs F-35, though. There are also land-based early warning radars + passive radars + AWACS etc. Therefore, you cannot create a picture on an issue that concerns Turkey by ignoring the effectiveness of other components of the war. It is also very important which radar is on the F-16s. Apg-86? Or is there AESA radar? Even these details make the F-35 outshine its clear lead.American pilot about F16 vs F35
He basically says F16 beats F35 in dogfight, but from distance F16 has no chance. A 4th gen fighter jet stands no chance against 5th gen. that's why I am vehemently opposed against purchase of Eurofighter (pure crap)
4th gen fighter stands no chance against F35
But what about Kizilelma vs F35? I really would like to hear stealth assessments from Baykar, how stealth is Kizilelma?
Greece, Iran, Armenia..if these are possible enemies in the future, dogfights are very likely.
I know, that you know details on both incidents. Syria is broke and one Russian jet kill, doesnt count much. Lets take a (full out) war with Greece. Imagine the hundreds of fighter jet. Than the sight range of the enemy on both sides. The moment where both sides have their jets in the sky, they are in sight range for both. Sooner or later, it will come to a dogfight.Don't think so, Turkiye shot in the last 10 years 1 Russian and 2 Syrian craft, none of them by dogfight
Absolutely won't be anything like thisI know, that you know details on both incidents. Syria is broke and one Russian jet kill, doesnt count much. Lets take a (full out) war with Greece. Imagine the hundreds of fighter jet. Than the sight range of the enemy on both sides. The moment where both sides have their jets in the sky, they are in sight range for both. Sooner or later, it will come to a dogfight.