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[boredaf]

Was it not Ukraine instead ?

Yeah, Israel barely uses artillery in their massacre, but people don't let facts get in the way of their agendas, do they? Like for example US paying for those artillery shells and production lines, as they literally bought them.

Or the fact that we hit terrorists in Syria even after US shot down one of our drones. And even before that we hit the targets we thought we need to when we wanted to, if we really did what US wanted to we would've been out of Syria and Iraq completely.

Or the fact that if we got nothing out of Finland and Sweden's NATO membership it is the fault of our own government instead of any other. Even though we did get several embargoes lifted, F-16 and munition/spare parts/upgrade deal approved and now Germany approved munition and spare part/upgrade package sales.

Or the fact that Turkey was removed from the F-35 program while Trump was president and joined the program while Bush was president (production started in 2006 or 2007).

 

[Fatman17]

113 Filo "Gazelle (Ceylan)" (TuAF)

 

[Yasar_TR]

Eurofighter alımında Türkiye'ye yeşil ışık

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için 40 adet Eurofighter Typoon savaş uçağı alımında Almanya engeli kalkıyor. Satış için uzun süredir engel koyan Almanya, teknik görüşmelerin başlamasına onay verdi. Eurofihter konsorsiyumunu oluşturan İngiltere, İtalya, İspanya ve Almanya'dan teknik bir heyet Türkiye'ye...

www.ntv.com.tr

If this news piece is correct, we are in line to purchase 40 Typhoon fighters with 24 asap and a further 16 to follow, after news of Germany lifting it’s opposition to the sale.
Already the consortium representatives of the 4 countries are in Türkiye, discussing the nitty gritty of the purchase deal for the next 3 weeks.

 

[Khagan1923]

Eurofighter alımında Türkiye'ye yeşil ışık

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için 40 adet Eurofighter Typoon savaş uçağı alımında Almanya engeli kalkıyor. Satış için uzun süredir engel koyan Almanya, teknik görüşmelerin başlamasına onay verdi. Eurofihter konsorsiyumunu oluşturan İngiltere, İtalya, İspanya ve Almanya'dan teknik bir heyet Türkiye'ye...

www.ntv.com.tr

If this news piece is correct, we are in line to purchase 40 Typhoon fighters with 24 asap and a further 16 to follow, after news of Germany lifting it’s opposition to the sale.
Already the consortium representatives of the 4 countries are in Türkiye, discussing the nitty gritty of the purchase deal for the next 3 weeks.


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+ to this even though for many it seems impossible people shouldn't be surpised to see a order be placed for F-35s in the near future....

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP is as the Air Force wants the Tranche 5 configuration and acc. to the last credible rumours that was also what the brits were offering unless there is a way to upgrade jets to Tranche 5 later on...

Though I haven't been able to find any information on what Tranche 5 even entails.

 

[boredaf]

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP

Well... since ASAP mean as soon as possible, we'll get them as soon as possible, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be soon.

However, I wonder if we might also get some earlier version two seater trainers if there were any among the ones UK was looking to sell. Getting those in early might be logical if this sale is to go through.

 

[Strong AI]

Looks like this was not only Blabla.

We may see the Eurofighter in Turkey soon.

 

[Samba]

May this be connected with new law proposal for defense tax?

 

[Sanchez]

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP is as the Air Force wants the Tranche 5 configuration and acc. to the last credible rumours that was also what the brits were offering unless there is a way to upgrade jets to Tranche 5 later on...

There's currently no Tranche 5. Current production aircraft for Germany is the Quadriga, the T4 model. If Turkey signs, it might be the first T5 customer.

Numbers are interesting. I think "ASAP" here could mean close to 5 years.

Quoting my post from august.

One thing to add, If Turkey is able to place an order for EF Tranche 5, which is not yet an active phase, it would also be a carrot for UK and German governments, because costs would decrease. But Turkey being the launch customer for T5, also would mean greater Turkish political interest in the project, which I doubt the same governments would like very much. As Turkey won't be a part of the consortium, noone would want to give some part of the reins to Turkey over the future of the project. For F-35, US was the only voice that mattered, for EF, it's 4 countries. Even if they lower their procurement of the aircraft, they won't want to relinquish control over their baby.

 

[Zafer]

There's currently no Tranche 5. Current production aircraft for Germany is the Quadriga, the T4 model. If Turkey signs, it might be the first T5 customer.

Numbers are interesting. I think "ASAP" here could mean close to 5 years.

Quoting my post from august.

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

 

[boredaf]

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

How many times...

IF we are lucky beyond belief and there are no setbacks or complications and IF TEI/TAI aren't exaggerating/overselling their product, we MIGHT get TF35K ready for test flights in Kaan in 2028. At that point, I have to point this out, it would be part of the aerospace history as it would probably be the fastest jet engine ever to get from design to test flight phase.

Even then, we would probably still be a year or two away from having Kaan ready to fly with two working and fully tested TF35K. THEN, we would have to produce both Kaan and TF35K in numbers high enough, which will also take few years, again, if there are no complications.

Some bloody realism mate, please. Despite what armchair generals might think, people in charge of our actual air force and military in general probably have a better understanding of what we need and when we can get it.

 

[Oublious]

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

If everything goes well first test will start in 2030 begin, how long will the test last?

 

[what]

Good news. A decent stop gap solution if the price is right

 

[Azeri441]

is the F-16V deal still going through if the Eurofighter deal goes through as well?

 

[Zafer]

We are talking about something that is totally up to Turkish engineers performance and the leadership that leads them. Hard work and more resource allocation can speed things up by a good margin. While this is a fact getting in costly long term engagements is only political and not rational. It is only a matter of a 1 year timeframe before unmanned jets prove their worth. With the first Turkish made turbofan engine being available for integration it is only a year before we start retiring older planes and giving weight to the robotic planes. What is this rush to engage long term with people who have conflicts of interest with us. It is only asking for trouble and nothing else. We have already the $1.45bn investment that we are yet to recover and they still want to engage more with the other hand of the same body.

 

[Sanchez]

if the price is right

Pretty sure EF-2000 is the most expensive jet we can buy, but you make do.

 

[Baklava Consumer]

Will they not buy the 40 F16V from USA? Will they make a switch to 40 Eurofighter T4?

 

[Zoth]

Will they not buy the 40 F16V from USA? Will they make a switch to 40 Eurofighter T4?

Eurofighter acquisition is totally seperate of F16V package deal, one doesn't cancel the other one. In fact, the f16 package is more important because it contains jet engines which Turkey needs both for Kaan and Hurjet and hudreds of missiles.

 

[Sanchez]

the f16 package is more important because it contains jet engines which Turkey needs both for Kaan and Hurjet

It does not. DSCA readout only includes F110s for the F-16s, nothing else.

"forty-eight (48) F110-GE-129D engines (40 installed, 8 spares)"

Türkiye – F-16 Aircraft Acquisition and Modernization | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

You can remove articles from the packages announced to the congress, but you can't add articles.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Eurofighter acquisition is totally seperate of F16V package deal, one doesn't cancel the other one. In fact, the f16 package is more important because it contains jet engines which Turkey needs both for Kaan and Hurjet and hudreds of missiles.

The 23billion dollar package does not include the engines for KAAN. Nor does it include the F404 engines for Hurjet.

Türkiye – F-16 Aircraft Acquisition and Modernization | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

They include 48 F110GE129D engines (the last 30 planes we bought in 2010 had F110GE129B engines)
The KAAN jet uses F110GE129E engine which is optimised for twin engine usage and are the same engines on the F15EX jets.

Eurofighter deal will be for the latest version of this plane according to the statement given by Turkish MOD. The latest version is most probably the Tranche 5 which uses the British Leonardo UK designed ECRS MK2 hybrid Aesa radar (with both GaAs and GaN T/R modules)