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[uçuyorum]

The new legislation being talked about for additional funding of defence spendings also kind of confirms this, it means a sudden new purchase is around

 

[Zafer]

The new legislation being talked about for additional funding of defence spendings also kind of confirms this, it means a sudden new purchase is around

It says defence industry and not defence procurement, reporting may be inaccurate though.

 

[Zafer]

No, it can't. Saying you can speed things up with hard work is like saying all you need is a firm handshake to get a job. And, it is very insulting to suggest that people working on TF35K aren't working hard enough. Shame on you.

And throwing money at it can only help up to point because the bottleneck in this process isn't just the money. Our expertise on engines, especially an engine like TF35K, is limited which also limits the personnel that can reliably and expertly work on it. Throw all our military budget on it, if we don't have enough qualified people that can work on the engine, it wouldn't change a thing.


Let me correct you there. We are a year or two away from TF6K start its flight tests which will take maybe a year or two as well; then, if there are not setbacks it'll enter LRIP. Also, pretty much this whole process will have to start again with TF10K, which is the engine that could make KE on par with fighter jets, which is not a guaranteed at all.


Who are you to say that? Do you know why the air force wants F-16s and EFs? What their plans and expectations are? Do you have the sensitive information they would have on the projects going on right now? What makes your version of events, an outsiders point of view, makes rational while decisions made by people with actual knowledge are irrational?

I think this has to be said, blind faith and support is not patriotism, its nationalism and that is what caused the fall of great many empires. A country turning into rapid yes men only creates complacency and down the road, ruin. Real patriotism is knowing the shortfalls of your country and wanting to fix them, not turning a blind eye to them.

Same thing applies to all of our projects as well. Yes, we have many amazing projects and many success stories, but that doesn't mean we don't need anything from any other country and can take care of ourselves completely. I hope it'll be the case one day, but it isn't right now. We need engines for multiple projects, we need ejection seat for all our planes, we need upgrade packages and munitions and yes, we clearly also need jets.

On top of that, we have to be able to acknowledge that not everything we make or are going to make will be the top of its class every time, which is a behaviour I've seen time and again as well. We don't need everything to be the best in the world, we need them to fulfil the criteria set by our military, pass their tests and work reliably.

As I said before, we need to plant our feet firmly on the ground and get our heads out of the clouds. We have to know what our capabilities and more importantly, our limitations are and instead of stretching ourselves too thin or falling for our own story of our greatness, make logical decisions even if they might seem less than ideal.

All your arguments suggest we shovel money into mouths of the enemy. Those weapon makers are to stand in front of us as enemies. And those weapons can only be used against their enemies and not ours.

Hard work for an organization means putting more man hours and resources on projects and not necessarily making engineers work long hours. It means buying computers that do a better job, employing supporting scientific disciplines to speed up analysis and tests. Ordering components to multiple makers to make sure a faster procurement is provided. It is planning in a manner where no time is lost waiting for components from a single source to arrive. It is starting the ejecting seat development earlier rather than later. Training more people to find out gems among them. It means doing what you would be expected to do over the years in a shorter time.

Save you blabber to who will buy it, shame on you underestimating Türkiye, we keep moving faster than you wish.