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[mTT]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

 

[Burberryswine]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

Damn they even blurred out the serial number of the aircraft from the looks of it, it might be a Block 50+ somehow or possibly an Ozgur aircraft, also I think re-start of tests for the SOM-J could mean something as you guys know these missiles were made to be used in the F35s and this sudden re-appreance of SOM-J might mean there is hope.

 

[RMZN]

I saw a tweet saying its a B40

 

[Yasar_TR]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

It is good to see finally, the tests are being performed for our “only” air launched stealth construction cruise missile that can hit moving sea targets.
The heavy manoeuvring executed, shows that it has good and effective data link to course-correct whilst in flight.
I hope we will see the SOM-C, doing the same soon.

SOM-J has undergone a lot of updates and new developments since the first version that was being integrated to our, never realised F35 jets. The range is no longer what it used to be. It is stated as 275km now. Heavy usage of composite materials have made it lighter. New domestic turbojet engine is used to propel it.

Roketsan - SOM-J Stand-Off Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

 

[Spitfire9]

Hopefully if the talks go well next month in White House

Several countries that are allied to the US (or perhaps more correctly that were allied to the US) are now trying to distance themselves from the US in terms of weapons procurement. Why would Turkiye want F-35 from an unpredictable, unreliable supplier?

 

[Spitfire9]

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy.

Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public likes democracy. It does not like states that lock up journalists, either. Difficult to know but it is not impossible that Brits will choose to support the people of Turkey demonstrating against Erdogan's attack on democracy. Those Brits may press the UK government to suspend arms supply to Turkiye. I don't know how the German public will see things.

The new UK government is re-assessing UK defence needs. In view of the unfriendly words and actions of the new US president (eg attacking Canada, which shares its king with the UK), the UK may order more Eurofighters rather than more F-35. That would give the UK Eurofighter assembly plant work for years and make a Turkish order less important.

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

 

[Fatman17]

Türkiye Conducts First Test-Firing of SOM-J Cruise Missile

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[godel44]

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy.

Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public likes democracy. It does not like states that lock up journalists, either. Difficult to know but it is not impossible that Brits will choose to support the people of Turkey demonstrating against Erdogan's attack on democracy. Those Brits may press the UK government to suspend arms supply to Turkiye. I don't know how the German public will see things.

The new UK government is re-assessing UK defence needs. In view of the unfriendly words and actions of the new US president (eg attacking Canada, which shares its king with the UK), the UK may order more Eurofighters rather than more F-35. That would give the UK Eurofighter assembly plant work for years and make a Turkish order less important.

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

You have just answered the question in your previous post with this one. Turkey doesn't have reliable allies to choose from.

 

[TR_123456]

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

You are wrong,because of the US' stance Türkiye becomes important for some European countries.
Namely the UK,Italy and Spain since France and Germany arent taken serious with their suggestions.
France offered a nuclear umbrella but none of the EU countries reacted,the EU talks about a European army but no real action taken.
Germany with its 100 billion Euros investment in its military didnt sound to convincing to the rest.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Spitfire9]

You are wrong,because of the US' stance Türkiye becomes important for some European countries.

I said that what is happening inside Turkiye makes the supply of Eurofighter less likely. Do you think that the supply of Eurofighter to Turkiye is as likely as it was before Erdogan locked up the mayor of Istanbul?

Funny how a university qualification awarded some time ago was suddenly 'withdrawn'. They must have suddenly decided to remark his papers and after all these years decided his qualification had been mistakenly awarded to him, mustn't they? That was the qualification required to stand for election to be president, wasn't it? What a coincidence!

President Erdogan is making himself look like a would be tin pot dictator who wants to preside over a democracy in name but a tin pot dictatorship in reality.

 

[Spitfire9]

I see Eurofighter supply to Turkiye (assuming that Turkiye actually agrees terms for a deal) as a contest between one faction wanting to benefit the European MIC and another wanting to defend democracy in Europe.

Out of curiosity, is Eurofighter of interest simply to counter Greece's Rafale? Is there any other threat requiring TuAF to field something superior to F-16?

 

[Ripley]

With all due respect to everyone of you, guys this is still Turkish Air Force thread. We got a very lively politics thread, too

 

[Hannibal]

I see Eurofighter supply to Turkiye (assuming that Turkiye actually agrees terms for a deal) as a contest between one faction wanting to benefit the European MIC and another wanting to defend democracy in Europe.

Out of curiosity, is Eurofighter of interest simply to counter Greece's Rafale? Is there any other threat requiring TuAF to field something superior to F-16?

I would much prefer F-35 over Eurofighter, F-35 can easily counter Rafale. But the likelihood of us getting F-35 is slim. Israeli lobby wouldn’t allow it. The reason they are getting eurofighter is for diversification of fighters and access to meteor missile.

 

[Spitfire9]

With all due respect to everyone of you, guys this is still Turkish Air Force thread. We got a very lively politics thread, too

Sorry, did not see that anywhere.

 

[Spitfire9]

I would much prefer F-35 over Eurofighter, F-35 can easily counter Rafale. But the likelihood of us getting F-35 is slim. Israeli lobby wouldn’t allow it. The reason they are getting eurofighter is for diversification of fighters and access to meteor missile.

I don't quite follow the comment on an Israeli veto on F-35. If they have one, how come Turkiye joined the F-35 programme in the first place? If Eurofighter's main attraction is Meteor but a deal is not arranged, would Gripen E be of interest (if Sweden would supply)?

 

[Ripley]

Sorry, did not see that anywhere.

No worries my friend

Politics

Turkey doesn't need to actively fuck such countries to be taken seriously. It bothers them more when they are ignored, everyone knows that Greece are absolute cowards who hide behind other countries and they know that best themselves. Countries that really have capacity and are powerful don't...

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[Saithan]

I think we should wait and see. I think the economic woes Türkiye is in is going to hit those new fighterjets hard. I am pretty sure that many of these defense projects are going to slow down a lot. Without an economy no serial production.

 

[Yasar_TR]

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Imprisoning Istanbul mayor and it’s ramifications for defence industry

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy. Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public...

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