TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[mTT]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

 

[Burberryswine]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

Damn they even blurred out the serial number of the aircraft from the looks of it, it might be a Block 50+ somehow or possibly an Ozgur aircraft, also I think re-start of tests for the SOM-J could mean something as you guys know these missiles were made to be used in the F35s and this sudden re-appreance of SOM-J might mean there is hope.

 

[RMZN]

I saw a tweet saying its a B40

 

[Yasar_TR]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

It is good to see finally, the tests are being performed for our “only” air launched stealth construction cruise missile that can hit moving sea targets.
The heavy manoeuvring executed, shows that it has good and effective data link to course-correct whilst in flight.
I hope we will see the SOM-C, doing the same soon.

SOM-J has undergone a lot of updates and new developments since the first version that was being integrated to our, never realised F35 jets. The range is no longer what it used to be. It is stated as 275km now. Heavy usage of composite materials have made it lighter. New domestic turbojet engine is used to propel it.

Roketsan - SOM-J Stand-Off Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

 

[Spitfire9]

Hopefully if the talks go well next month in White House

Several countries that are allied to the US (or perhaps more correctly that were allied to the US) are now trying to distance themselves from the US in terms of weapons procurement. Why would Turkiye want F-35 from an unpredictable, unreliable supplier?

 

[Spitfire9]

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy.

Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public likes democracy. It does not like states that lock up journalists, either. Difficult to know but it is not impossible that Brits will choose to support the people of Turkey demonstrating against Erdogan's attack on democracy. Those Brits may press the UK government to suspend arms supply to Turkiye. I don't know how the German public will see things.

The new UK government is re-assessing UK defence needs. In view of the unfriendly words and actions of the new US president (eg attacking Canada, which shares its king with the UK), the UK may order more Eurofighters rather than more F-35. That would give the UK Eurofighter assembly plant work for years and make a Turkish order less important.

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

 

[Fatman17]

Türkiye Conducts First Test-Firing of SOM-J Cruise Missile

Source: Naval News
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[godel44]

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy.

Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public likes democracy. It does not like states that lock up journalists, either. Difficult to know but it is not impossible that Brits will choose to support the people of Turkey demonstrating against Erdogan's attack on democracy. Those Brits may press the UK government to suspend arms supply to Turkiye. I don't know how the German public will see things.

The new UK government is re-assessing UK defence needs. In view of the unfriendly words and actions of the new US president (eg attacking Canada, which shares its king with the UK), the UK may order more Eurofighters rather than more F-35. That would give the UK Eurofighter assembly plant work for years and make a Turkish order less important.

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

You have just answered the question in your previous post with this one. Turkey doesn't have reliable allies to choose from.

 

[Ryder]

The disturbing behaviour by the Turkish president is a blatant attack on democracy. If the leader of a democratic state prevents candidates from standing for election by locking them up or disqualifying them, that is an attack on democracy.

Unfortunately for the Turkish air force the UK public likes democracy. It does not like states that lock up journalists, either. Difficult to know but it is not impossible that Brits will choose to support the people of Turkey demonstrating against Erdogan's attack on democracy. Those Brits may press the UK government to suspend arms supply to Turkiye. I don't know how the German public will see things.

The new UK government is re-assessing UK defence needs. In view of the unfriendly words and actions of the new US president (eg attacking Canada, which shares its king with the UK), the UK may order more Eurofighters rather than more F-35. That would give the UK Eurofighter assembly plant work for years and make a Turkish order less important.

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

UK and the USA have no problem with Gaza getting glassed and 50K people getting obliterated.

But somehow you people have the audacity to cry Democracy and Human rights.

Its even more hilarious how Westerners and Europeans tie Weapon sales to human rights.

They kill people you really think a bomb chooses who it targets?

 

[TR_123456]

What is certain is that by locking up the democratically elected mayor of Istanbul Erdogan has made it less likely that Turkiye will be receiving Eurofighter.

You are wrong,because of the US' stance Türkiye becomes important for some European countries.
Namely the UK,Italy and Spain since France and Germany arent taken serious with their suggestions.
France offered a nuclear umbrella but none of the EU countries reacted,the EU talks about a European army but no real action taken.
Germany with its 100 billion Euros investment in its military didnt sound to convincing to the rest.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Spitfire9]

UK and the USA have no problem with Gaza getting glassed and 50K people getting obliterated.

But somehow you people have the audacity to cry Democracy and Human rights.

I agree that Israel appears to be seen as a special case by many countries, allowed to commit whatever war crimes it chooses. I find it shameful that the UK does not stand against this behaviour more actively.

I object to my country being involved in arms supply to Israel due to its abuses of human rights. I also object to my country being involved in arms supply to regimes intent on denying their citizens the rights that typify a democracy including the freedom of citizens to choose their political representatives, the freedom of citizens to express dissent etc. Erdogan appears intent on stamping out functioning democracy in Turkiye. Yes, I am opposed to the appalling actions of Israel in Gaza. I am also opposed to the appalling actions of Erdogan in Turkiye.

 

[Spitfire9]

You are wrong,because of the US' stance Türkiye becomes important for some European countries.

I said that what is happening inside Turkiye makes the supply of Eurofighter less likely. Do you think that the supply of Eurofighter to Turkiye is as likely as it was before Erdogan locked up the mayor of Istanbul?

Funny how a university qualification awarded some time ago was suddenly 'withdrawn'. They must have suddenly decided to remark his papers and after all these years decided his qualification had been mistakenly awarded to him, mustn't they? That was the qualification required to stand for election to be president, wasn't it? What a coincidence!

President Erdogan is making himself look like a would be tin pot dictator who wants to preside over a democracy in name but a tin pot dictatorship in reality.

 

[Zoth]

I agree that Israel appears to be seen as a special case by many countries, allowed to commit whatever war crimes it chooses. I find it shameful that the UK does not stand against this behaviour more actively.

I object to my country being involved in arms supply to Israel due to its abuses of human rights. I also object to my country being involved in arms supply to regimes intent on denying their citizens the rights that typify a democracy including the freedom of citizens to choose their political representatives, the freedom of citizens to express dissent etc. Erdogan appears intent on stamping out functioning democracy in Turkiye. Yes, I am opposed to the appalling actions of Israel in Gaza. I am also opposed to the appalling actions of Erdogan in Turkiye.

oh come on mate, democracy this democracy that, it's an old trend, thanks to Europe and the USA the word democracy lost it's meaning a long time ago. We see how democracy works in European countries when some countries remove and arrest a possible winning candidate just because they are close to right wing.

 

[Yasar_TR]

oh come on mate, democracy this democracy that, it's an old trend, thanks to Europe and the USA the word democracy lost it's meaning a long time ago. We see how democracy works in European countries when some countries remove and arrest a possible winning candidate just because they are close to right wing.

In true sense of democracy no such thing should be allowed to occur. Can you give an example in Western Europe where it has taken place please?

As members of public and humanity, we need a point of reference to measure how just the world we live in is. Democracy is that point of reference. Whether it is used properly or not, it is the reference point we need.

Apart from Russia where the President becomes prime minister and transfers all presidential powers to himself prior to being elected; then next term, transfers them back again when he is president. (Also presumably heavy manipulation of vote counting taking place.)
Apart from Azerbaijan, where power is transferred from father to son.

In Western Europe, there is no democracy that would allow anything similar to what is happening in Turkey. Irrespective of the Western Europeans’ two faced and one sided diplomacy, when it comes to democratic principles, they are firmly in place.

Just check the level of perception of corruption index and see where Turkey is. 107th amongst 180 countries.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024/index/tur

Sorry to have digressed from the thread topic; But @Spitfire9 has a valid point here. If those two faced westerners are really democratic, we may have a problem in our hands when it comes to Typhoon purchase.
If Turkey’s value for them as a major army against Russia is not more important than their democracy, we may have a prickly road in front of us.

 

[Spitfire9]

oh come on mate, democracy this democracy that, it's an old trend, thanks to Europe and the USA the word democracy lost it's meaning a long time ago. We see how democracy works in European countries when some countries remove and arrest a possible winning candidate just because they are close to right wing.

You have your views on democracy. I have my mine, which I have shared with my prime minister regarding the supply of Eurofighter to Turkiye.

I will credit the Turkish political leadership with one thing - Turkish forces have clearly not been authorised to use lethal force against the thousands in the streets expressing their opposition to Erdogan's attack on their democracy. I hope UK forces will be as restrained in dealing with demonstrators in the streets should the UK PM imprison his principal political rival.

 

[Zoth]

You have your views on democracy. I have my mine, which I have shared with my prime minister regarding the supply of Eurofighter to Turkiye.

I will credit the Turkish political leadership with one thing - Turkish forces have clearly not been authorised to use lethal force against the thousands in the streets expressing their opposition to Erdogan's attack on their democracy. I hope UK forces will be as restrained in dealing with demonstrators in the streets should the UK PM imprison his principal political rival.

And i again i'm repeating what i said, those words have no meanings because they are not honest in goverment levels, i don't doubt you have honest views while stating those as a person about democracy, but certain countries can't talk about democracy one day and stage a coup in a random country the next day. I'm in no way in support of what is happening in Turkey nor do i like Erdogan due to my ideological views, but the hypocrisy is out there.

 

[TR_123456]

I said that what is happening inside Turkiye makes the supply of Eurofighter less likely. Do you think that the supply of Eurofighter to Turkiye is as likely as it was before Erdogan locked up the mayor of Istanbul?

Funny how a university qualification awarded some time ago was suddenly 'withdrawn'. They must have suddenly decided to remark his papers and after all these years decided his qualification had been mistakenly awarded to him, mustn't they? That was the qualification required to stand for election to be president, wasn't it? What a coincidence!

President Erdogan is making himself look like a would be tin pot dictator who wants to preside over a democracy in name but a tin pot dictatorship in reality.

In a threat(Russia,economy) situations they dont give a fuck about democracy,dictatorship,human rights etc.
Take Saudi Arabia,UAE etc as examples.

 

[Turkic]

I'd like to add that it's not just about diploma. Please deeply search for why those people were arrested. Keywords: terrorism, financing