Turkish American relationship

[Akhtar]

Well, this could be the start of more moves to tear apart some of these factions like Sultan Murad. If America does have ties with Jolani, they would probably want a HTS takeover

 

[Huelague]

Remember.
Biden: "I want a "peaceful" regime change in Turkey."

 

[Ryder]

Greek, Armenian and Jewish lobbies are really doing a lot of damage. Not to mention the fetocus and their lobbying.

 

[Ryder]

We sure do suck at lobbying.

As long as we dont keep these American politicians in our pockets its going to get worse.

 

[Saithan]

If you have a solid economy and trade surplus like China. Then you can pretty much ignore what they do. But when your economy is in the gutter. That’s when western so called alloes intensifies kicking Turkey.

 

[Ryder]

Well, this could be the start of more moves to tear apart some of these factions like Sultan Murad. If America does have ties with Jolani, they would probably want a HTS takeover

Thats even worse as HTS also uses child soldiers too.

You can say a lot of the groups in Syria use child soldiers including the ypg/pkk.

This whole thing is political even if Sultan Murad used child soldiers I doubt these child soldiers got transfered to Libya.

Child soldiers are not really reliable especially if they are being transfered to another country far away from home. Usa inventing fiction and lies once again.

Im waiting for what American fanboys and Natocu fanboys are going to say about this are they going to blame Turkiye again like they always do.

 

[mulj]

Thats even worse as HTS also uses child soldiers too.

You can say a lot of the groups in Syria use child soldiers including the ypg/pkk.

This whole thing is political even if Sultan Murad used child soldiers I doubt these child soldiers got transfered to Libya.

Child soldiers are not really reliable especially if they are being transfered to another country far away from home. Usa inventing fiction and lies once again.

Im waiting for what American fanboys and Natocu fanboys are going to say about this are they going to blame Turkiye again like they always do.

you are right but only ypg use force conscription of child soldiers by available proof and information that is huge difference.

 

[Ryder]

you are right but only ypg use force conscription of child soldiers by available proof and information that is huge difference.

Many factors onto why child soldiers are used especially in African civil wars.

Groups or militias dont believe in geneva conventions they recruit anybody hence why they use children.

But remember this regardless of groups or even nations. Child soldiers will never be used as frontline troops or used spearheading the attack. They are unreliable hence why they are used as reserves or backline troops as years past their experience along with age make them fighters that can be used.

Unless your nation is on its last legs that you have to sacrifice everything as we seen at the end of Ww2 as the Germans had to use old people, mentally ill people, children and women to fight off the Soviet invasion of Germany because there is no men to fight as soldiers.

 

[mulj]

Many factors onto why child soldiers are used especially in African civil wars.

Groups or militias dont believe in geneva conventions they recruit anybody hence why they use children.

But remember this regardless of groups or even nations. Child soldiers will never be used as frontline troops or used spearheads in a attack. They are unreliable hence why they are used as reserves or backline troops as years past their experience along with age make them fighters that can be used.

i know, whole concept of child soldier is dubious, as combatant force useless as you said but what is especially heinous with ypg recruiting is not that, they are trying to get grip on many souls available for their brain washing propaganda, that is their primary motive not combating.

 

[Ryder]

i know, whole concept of child soldier is dubious, as combatant force useless as you said but what is especially heinous with ypg recruiting is not that, they are trying to get grip on many souls available for their brain washing propaganda, that is their primary motive not combating.

Indeed they are training them to be fighters and terrorists when they grow.

Isis did the same thing by recruiting children when they grow up they are going to be blood thirsty killing machines.

Children in the 1700s even the 1800s were used as scouts or drummer boys.

Kids being used in war is nothing new but their roles were limited for centuries.

In the battle of Gallipoli there is myths that the Ottomans used children which is bs majority of soldiers were adults. Same in ww1 majority were adults even if some kids sneaked in they usually got sent home. Only use for a child is delivering messages or grenades. In gallipoli we did use child messengers or to deliver grenades but we did not use them for fighting.

Children and Women are not reliable soldiers.

But an adult women is more reliable then a kid if you going to get into a frontline.

For centuries adult men have always been the cream of the crop when it came to fighting wars. Kids and women are not built to fight.

I know people are going to call me a sexist ahole for this. I dont care most of the elite soldiers are all men.

Men are built for war while women are built for support roles hence their roles as nurses.

 

[Akhtar]

Thats even worse as HTS also uses child soldiers too.

You can say a lot of the groups in Syria use child soldiers including the ypg/pkk.

This whole thing is political even if Sultan Murad used child soldiers I doubt these child soldiers got transfered to Libya.

Child soldiers are not really reliable especially if they are being transfered to another country far away from home. Usa inventing fiction and lies once again.

Im waiting for what American fanboys and Natocu fanboys are going to say about this are they going to blame Turkiye again like they always do.

Yeah all sides use lots of child soldiers - the main issue is in North East the UN is working with PYD to minimize it. Even if it is not effective, it's a signed pledge by them with UN access. In the SNA there is no such program or anything running and they block UN access to inspect the areas and factions.

Not only that, SNA groups also use the Turkish flag, the USA does not have the close relationship with YPG that Turkey does with these SNA groups it pays. We restructure these groups and our deputy governors appoint their leaders.

It just looks bad, I don't know why they can't just behave and let the UN in, the human rights reports from these factions are already bad, now this.

 

[mulj]

Yeah all sides use lots of child soldiers - the main issue is in North East the UN is working with PYD to minimize it. Even if it is not effective, it's a signed pledge by them with UN access. In the SNA there is no such program or anything running and they block UN access to inspect the areas and factions.

Not only that, SNA groups also use the Turkish flag, the USA does not have the close relationship with YPG that Turkey does with these SNA groups it pays. We restructure these groups and our deputy governors appoint their leaders.

It just looks bad, I don't know why they can't just behave and let the UN in, the human rights reports from these factions are already bad, now this.

which un? were was it in last 10 years when regime made all known and unknown crimes towards rebel population, do not be silly. child soldiers in rebel areas is out of the existence needs, on the other side ypt pampered west puppets do it due ideological agenda.

 

[Huelague]

We sure do suck at lobbying.

As long as we dont keep these American politicians in our pockets its going to get worse.

Lobbying needs political and economic influence.

 

[Xenon54]

They don't export them everywhere and the UN is allowed access to their areas with NGO's to prevent child recruitment. Which "looks good". Officially, HTS says we don't recruit children, YPG says we don't recruit children.

SNA parades their child fighters at their headquarters on tiktok without repercussion, no UN access there to stop it. I don't think they ever officially said they don't recruit children either.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335258727050584064

And not only that, our dear AKP think tank also passed information on child soldier recruitment by accident:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410708836588077056

Dude you are actually defending US and its hypocracy here, unbelievable.

 

[Akhtar]

Dude you are actually defending US and its hypocracy here, unbelievable.

There's a lot of differences in the relationship between US + YPG/PKK and Turkey + SNA.

World is a rules based order run by the US, it was a really dumb decision to send mercenaries or not clamp down on violations or put in a transparent program like the UN is doing in north east to prevent this. Even just for media. Even worse letting them use the Turkish flag. The US plays Russia and China like this, why did Erdogan think he was smarter?

The restrictions of being on that list are again related to weapons also military/security assistance and training:

"Governments placed on this list are subject to restrictions, according to the State Department report, on certain security assistance and commercial licensing of military equipment"

US adds Turkey to list of countries implicated in use of child soldiers | CNN

The US added Turkey to a list of countries that are implicated in the use of child soldiers over the past year, placing a NATO ally for the first time in such a list, in a move that is likely to further complicate the already fraught ties between Ankara and Washington.

www.cnn.com

America have manuevred Turkey into going to Afghanistan. Turkey needs US financial support militarily and security assistance. Now the US can only offer that with a presidential waver. US will want something in return again. Whatever Biden promised Erdogan in that closed room meeting could be void by this.

A few years ago there was a lot of talk of the relationship between US and Turkey becoming transactional, as Turkey would play both east and west. Here is the transaction.

Add the CAATSA sanctions, Erdogan has a real hard time ahead of him.

Largely avoidable. The longer these factions have free reign for all their violations the worse it will be, how do you demobilize these guys when an agreement with Russia is reached? They have made Turkey look bad enough as it is.

The coming burden will be immense in DDR (Disarmament, Demobilization, and Reintegration).

 

[Akhtar]

Also, this is what the American CSPA covers:

The CSPA prohibits listed governments in the following US programmes: International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, Excess Defence Articles, and Peacekeeping Operations. Some programmes undertaken pursuant to the Peacekeeping Operations authority are exempted.

The CSPA also prohibits the issuance of licences for direct commercial sales of military equipment to such governments.

Beginning October 1, 2021, and effective throughout fiscal year 2022, these restrictions will apply to the listed countries, except those who receive a presidential waiver, applicable exception, or reinstatement of assistance pursuant to the terms of the CSPA.

The determination to include a government in the CSPA list is informed by a range of sources, including first-hand observation by US government personnel and research and credible reporting from various UN entities, international organisations, local and international NGOs, and international and domestic media outlets.

 

[Glass🚬]

I wouldnt even comment on their accusations, just let em bark

Turkey strongly criticized on Friday "unfounded" assumptions in the US State Department's recently published 2021 Trafficking in Persons report.

Turkey blasts US report on Trafficking in Persons

Recent State Dept. report lists Turkey among countries allegedly using child soldiers in armed conflicts - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Akhtar]

I wouldnt even comment on their accusations, just let em bark

SETA reported on it themselves by accident, all sides use child soldiers - the point I was making is these SNA, we are being billed for what they are doing

 

[Glass🚬]

SETA reported on it themselves by accident, all sides use child soldiers - the point I was making is these SNA, we are being billed for what they are doing

Its the americans doing american things, not surprising actually and you are not "We" and We are not getting billed lol

 

[Akhtar]

Its the americans doing american things, not surprising actually and you are not "We" and We are not getting billed lol

I'm saying this was avoidable and yes, we are getting billed.

It is very difficult to be removed from that list.

According to the U.S. State Department, nearly all of the foreign aid designated for Turkey is for military use. So that's all void now without a waiver.