TR Turkish Electronic Warfare Systems

[Burberryswine]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2104551872333783214

Def some new stuff at the back as u can see it has changed a lot.

 

[Sanchez]

Def some new stuff at the back as u can see it has changed a lot.

Same aircraft. That rearfacing boom is really out there. I believe that place usually stores the APU but behind it now is a huge housing.

 

[Saithan]

It hopefully hasn't gotten its final paintjob.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

It hopefully hasn't gotten its final paintjob.

I kinda dig the green primer paint

I hope the final coat is matte

 

[Sanchez]

TAI GM: "Qualification flights for two aircraft in the SOJ project are ongoing. Testing is proceeding at a brisk pace on the two aircraft—one equipped with mission systems and the other with exterior modifications completed.

In collaboration with ASELSAN and the SSB, we aim to deliver the two aircraft next year."

TAI GM says only two aircraft are being near ready at this stage. There is a huge delay, but in contrast to the last image we saw of TC-SJB, program is being changed considerably with more capabilities being added. It remains to be seen how great of an idea is it that a program delayed this much is being changed at this stage, but we will see.

Same aircraft. That rearfacing boom is really out there. I believe that place usually stores the APU but behind it now is a huge housing.

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[Saithan]

TAI GM: "Qualification flights for two aircraft in the SOJ project are ongoing. Testing is proceeding at a brisk pace on the two aircraft—one equipped with mission systems and the other with exterior modifications completed.

In collaboration with ASELSAN and the SSB, we aim to deliver the two aircraft next year."

TAI GM says only two aircraft are being near ready at this stage. There is a huge delay, but in contrast to the last image we saw of TC-SJB, program is being changed considerably with more capabilities being added. It remains to be seen how great of an idea is it that a program delayed this much is being changed at this stage, but we will see.

Maybe we should divert all resources to sensor programs, we're good at those

 

[boredaf]

We need to start out entire defence industry leaders and military decision makers on Ritalin, because at this point I am almost absolutely sure they all have attention deficit disorder. No focus, jumping from project to project, changing requirements or adding stuff constantly instead of just finishing one and going about with serial production, even just LRIP.

 

[TR_123456]

We need to start out entire defence industry leaders and military decision makers on Ritalin, because at this point I am almost absolutely sure they all have attention deficit disorder. No focus, jumping from project to project, changing requirements or adding stuff constantly instead of just finishing one and going about with serial production, even just LRIP.

Whats Ritalin,some sort of English food we normal people cant digest?

 

[Bogeyman]

We need to start out entire defence industry leaders and military decision makers on Ritalin, because at this point I am almost absolutely sure they all have attention deficit disorder. No focus, jumping from project to project, changing requirements or adding stuff constantly instead of just finishing one and going about with serial production, even just LRIP.

Ritalin is a prescription psychostimulant medication that acts on the central nervous system; its active ingredient is methylphenidate.

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): It is used to increase attention span and reduce impulsivity in children aged 6 and older, adolescents, and adults. It is dispensed only by specialist physicians via a special controlled-substance prescription (red prescription).

 

[boredaf]

Ritalin is a prescription psychostimulant medication that acts on the central nervous system; its active ingredient is methylphenidate.

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): It is used to increase attention span and reduce impulsivity in children aged 6 and older, adolescents, and adults. It is dispensed only by specialist physicians via a special controlled-substance prescription (red prescription).

You should've tagged the old man @TR_123456 here mate, he needs the education we could also take our slippers off and say "no new project for you before you finish the one in front of you" that generally worked when I was a lad.

 

[Samba]

You should've tagged the old man @TR_123456 here mate, he needs the education we could also take our slippers off and say "no new project for you before you finish the one in front of you" that generally worked when I was a lad.

You summarized theory of constraints very well

 

[Sanchez]

You summarized theory of constraints very well

Or more correctly scope creep. I can hardly fault the user in this case, as HAVASOJ was delayed a lot and threat analysis probably proved over the years that the original design was no longer enough. but again, we have no idea what that rearfacing housing contains or if anything else was changed with the design.

 

[Samba]

TAI along with many other Turkish defence industry companies ha e assumed alot of responsibility recent years, mainly last decade. And these responsibilities are not just producing are high quality products in huge numbers but developing state of the art technologies and products. Even though we have had some experience, we still lacked so many integral components and knowledge for such R&D.

Along with such undertaking, we are pushed alot with urgent needs emanating from politics around our geography.

We have come a long way and delivered incredible results. Yes have setbacks but these are understandable. I am not so happy with unmet deadlines but I think it is because they cannot foresee such issues such process are new to us.

Compared to last decade, I am very happy and honored with what we have achieved. I also am very eager to see SOJ and KAAN fly as early as possible, however these things take time....

 

[nick.f76]

Το απόλυτο όπλο παρεμβολών της Άγκυρας βγαίνει στο Αιγαίο!

Η Άγκυρα θέλει να ελέγξει ολόκληρο το Αιγαίο ηλεκτρομαγνητικά αλλά θα μείνει με την όρεξη

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The Hellenic Air Force (HAF) will now have to face a new threat from Turkish stand-off jamming aircraft, such as the Turkish HAVA SOJ, which is currently undergoing testing.

The first Turkish Air Force Hava SOJ long-range jamming aircraft is currently undergoing system integration—now complete—with flight tests scheduled for the coming months.

The HAVA SOJ program (based on modified Bombardier Global 6000 aircraft) is at an advanced stage of flight testing. Ankara plans to field the first aircraft, thereby creating a new strategic challenge.

The Turkish HAVA SOJ (based on the Bombardier Global 6000 airframe) will operate in the Aegean from a safe stand-off distance, emitting powerful jamming signals, while its shoot-down or neutralization by the Greek side will rely on specific operational countermeasures.

Neutralizing or shooting down a HAVA SOJ aircraft (Bombardier Global 6000)—which operates at a safe "stand-off" distance while emitting powerful jamming signals—poses a complex challenge for Greek air defense in the Aegean theater of operations.

Due to the extensive range of its systems (reaching or exceeding 500 km), the aircraft can protect Turkish forces while flying deep within Turkish airspace.

Greek response against the HAVA SOJ using long-range (stand-off & BVR) weaponry
Since the Turkish HAVA SOJ electronic warfare aircraft will not enter the engagement range of Greek air defenses, the Hellenic Air Force can target it using Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, such as the Meteor.

Carried by Greek Rafale fighters, these missiles feature a range exceeding 100–150 km and a ramjet engine, making it extremely difficult for a sluggish aircraft (of the business jet type) to escape.

The use of air defense systems such as the Patriot PAC-3—or, in the future, Aster 30 missiles (deployed from FDI Belharra frigates)—provides the capability for area denial (A2/AD) and the engagement of aerial targets at long ranges.

Furthermore, the radars of the Greek F-16 Vipers (APG-83) and Rafales (RBE2) possess exceptional resistance to electronic countermeasures (ECCM). They have the ability to "burn through" jamming by focusing narrow, powerful beams of energy toward the source of the interference.

The Rafale aircraft utilize the FSO (Front Sector Optronics) system to detect targets via infrared (IR) and optical signatures without emitting a radar signal, thereby completely bypassing electronic jamming.

At the same time, Greek ESM systems can use the HAVA SOJ's own jamming signal to triangulate and pinpoint its exact location (Home-on-Jam).


Network-centric warfare and data links (Link 16)
Neutralizing the aircraft relies on establishing a common operational picture that cannot be easily disrupted.

Even if a Greek radar station or fighter jet experiences local jamming, the Hellenic Air Force’s EMB-145H Erieye airborne early warning (AEW&C) aircraft and the Hellenic Navy’s surface units can instantly transmit targeting data regarding the Turkish aircraft via Link 16.

The deployment of sensors across the Aegean allows HAVA SOJ tracking data to be transmitted directly to interceptor aircraft, which can launch a Meteor missile without even activating their own radars.

Should it become necessary to neutralize the Turkish HAVA SOJ aircraft on the ground before it even takes off, Greek fighter jets have the capability to strike Turkish bases using stand-off missiles.

Passive sensors and IRST (Infrared Search and Track) technology
The electronic jamming from the HAVA SOJ targets radars (radio-frequency emissions). The Hellenic Air Force counters this by employing passive sensors that are unaffected by such interference.

These allow for the passive detection and tracking of targets at long ranges using infrared (IR) and optical sensors, without the fighter aircraft having to activate its own radar.

Many modern Greek missiles (such as the latest AMRAAM variants) feature a capability that allows them to lock onto and home in directly on the very source of the jamming signal emitted by the HAVA SOJ.

Challenging Greek Air Defenses (SEAD/DEAD)

The Turkish HAVA SOJ aircraft is designed to conduct stand-off jamming, aiming to "blind" Greek ground-based early-warning radars located on the islands and the mainland, thereby protecting Turkish offensive formations.

Electromagnetic Dominance Advantage: It enables Turkey to conduct support operations at great depth across the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean without exposing its electronic warfare (EW) aircraft directly to Greek air defense systems.

The Greek response to the four Turkish HAVA SOJ aircraft set to be built
To counter this advantage, Greece is not relying solely on Rafale jets and Meteor missiles. It is already considering the acquisition of its own electronic warfare and intelligence-gathering platforms (e.g., upgrading ISR/EW capabilities), while the network-centric interoperability of F-16 Vipers, future F-35s, and FDI frigates diminishes the effectiveness of a centralized jamming system like the HAVA SOJ.

In any case, these Turkish aircraft—along with their aerial refueling tankers—represent high-value targets for the Greek Armed Forces in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean.

 

[Sanchez]

To counter this advantage, Greece is not relying solely on Rafale jets and Meteor missiles. It is already considering the acquisition of its own electronic warfare and intelligence-gathering platforms (e.g., upgrading ISR/EW capabilities), while the network-centric interoperability of F-16 Vipers, future F-35s, and FDI frigates diminishes the effectiveness of a centralized jamming system like the HAVA SOJ.

Not a bad report per se but saying Greece have interoperable EW systems while Turkey only has 4 airborne jammers and this centralization is a disadvantage is very very wrong. Antidot program is very much in effect, turning all of our hundreds of drones to self capable EW platforms.

 

[boredaf]

Not a bad report per se but saying Greece have interoperable EW systems while Turkey only has 4 airborne jammers and this centralization is a disadvantage is very very wrong. Antidot program is very much in effect, turning all of our hundreds of drones to self capable EW platforms.

Don't forget land based ones with long range, ship based Ares and USVs that can carry any one of EW systems as long as we adapt it, not just Ares.