Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

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So, this?
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Their range is 150 km though.
Yes i think this is the way to overhelm a Country with a modern Airdefence System . You Push the Airdefence System in Maximum Stress. But with a little bit bigger Booster you can reach much more Speed, altitude and Range.

How the Americans start their war with cruise missiles.
We should get something that is simply much more efficient in terms of the cost-benefit factor.
If we literally bombard a country with these bombs in key positions during the first strike and I mean in this case send hundreds of them, we can win air supremacy in the shortest possible time, the MALE drones would do the rest.
All the time only mass drone air strikes with laser guided bombs for 24 hours I guarantee you the enemy will be demolarized to the maximum he can do nothing without intact air defense.
See Armenia/Mountain Karabakh where we won air supremacy, they had absolutely not a second of a chance and literally ran away from Mount Karabakh because the drone strikes were so extreme.
The advantage would be even greater and more noticeable - we didn't even come close to breaking our ammunition reserves.
 

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Yes i think this is the way to overhelm a Country with a modern Airdefence System . You Push the Airdefence System in Maximum Stress. But with a little bit bigger Booster you can reach much more Speed, altitude and Range.

How the Americans start their war with cruise missiles.
We should get something that is simply much more efficient in terms of the cost-benefit factor.
If we literally bombard a country with these bombs in key positions during the first strike and I mean in this case send hundreds of them, we can win air supremacy in the shortest possible time, the MALE drones would do the rest.
All the time only mass drone air strikes with laser guided bombs for 24 hours I guarantee you the enemy will be demolarized to the maximum he can do nothing without intact air defense.
See Armenia/Mountain Karabakh where we won air supremacy, they had absolutely not a second of a chance and literally ran away from Mount Karabakh because the drone strikes were so extreme.
The advantage would be even greater and more noticeable - we didn't even come close to breaking our ammunition reserves.
You can't achieve air supremacy with just GLSDB's. You have to know where all those air defences are.
Azerbaijan used AN-2 cropdusters as decoys to unveil Armenian S-300's. Then they used Israeli Harops on them. THEN they used TB2's.
Americans deploy a MASSIVE amount of ISR assets to know where to yeet those cruise missiles to. They even get help from CIA's OSINT and HUMINT efforts. All that before a single shot is even fired.
And even with those, in the end, it all comes to the airplanes you have.
 

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You can't achieve air supremacy with just GLSDB's. You have to know where all those air defences are.
Azerbaijan used AN-2 cropdusters as decoys to unveil Armenian S-300's. Then they used Israeli Harops on them. THEN they used TB2's.
Americans deploy a MASSIVE amount of ISR assets to know where to yeet those cruise missiles to. They even get help from CIA's OSINT and HUMINT efforts. All that before a single shot is even fired.
And even with those, in the end, it all comes to the airplanes you have.
How would you know that if it has never been used in a first strike?

That's a hypothetical question about how you could take out a modern air defense with completely new means, like in this case the glide bomb with a solid booster, by the sheer number of these bombs. It's not as if Turkey doesn't know where Greece has placed its fighter fleet to get a valuable target.

Turkey also has an intelligence service and, more importantly, spy satellites to identify these targets.

It is not a question of what conditions must be met in order to obtain a potential target.

We are assuming that this has already happened, and my mind game is simply what would happen if Turkey were to equip several vehicles with these launchers, these glide bombs, to fire them in the middle of the night from the Turkish coast to Greece.

And I'm talking here about hundreds, perhaps thousands of these bombs being fired simultaneously.

The number can be calculated to the extent that modern air defense systems can detect and disable them simultaneously, so let's just double or triple it.

It's not that the air defense systems can reload their missiles within seconds, they can only fire a certain number of missiles per station and that's it for some time.

They are forced to fire them or they will be caught one way or another.

Unlike modern cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and the like, these glide bombs would be just totally cheap to produce, and so you could send out a whole swarm of these bombs.

Remember, this is about the opening strike or first strike, what has to happen after that to keep up the pressure is not the subject of my hypothesis.
 
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How would you know that if it has never been used in a first strike?
I never claimed that you can't use these to make the 1st strike. They are indeed an excellent weapon to use in such strikes.

Your mind and heart is in the right place. But you're looking at it a bit too shallow. Those glide bombs

  1. Need up-to-date GPS coordinates to score a hit, since the target systems can be packed up and moved within mere minutes.
  2. Need to also hit runways, aircraft hangars, fuel depots, and such similar targets.
  3. Have to be actually enticing for those radars to lock and yeet a missile to. SDB's are quite stealthy.
In short, SDB spam good, but not enough.

I recommend you watch this simulated attack to an integrated air defense system, and study what it takes to dismantle such a system.

 

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There is no need for extra precautions,our missiles and subs are enough to cover the Mediterranean.

This Year the first Reis Class Submarine will enter in Service, others will join the coming Years. So far so good. Also Anka-3 will join next Year, inshallah.

What I really miss are sophisticatet ISR Capabillities like SAR Satelittes and high Altitude ISR UAV, similar like the MQ-4 Triton with ASELSAN SAR Pod. SAR Satelittes are very important and Göktürk- III is a have SAR Radar, but this Programm faced Delays. I read from Different Sources, some write it will be launched 2025 other from 2028.

On the example from a simluted Scenario were China use DF-21 against the USS Ronald Reagan, it will be clear how important SAR Satelittes are.


The other Scenario show how an high Altitude ISR UAV, the MQ-4 Triton provide Intelligence for the B-1 Bomber to track the chinese CSG.

Similar Scenarios can happen in the eastern Mediterran, exact locating and tracking decide if any attempt to strike an enemy CSG will be Successfull. No Matter if the Weapon of Choice will be a Submarine or a Tayfun ASBM.

 
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