Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

[Iskander]

Turkish and Egyptian special forces conducted joint exercises in Libya.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://caliber.az/en/post/egyptian-turkish-special-forces-conduct-joint-exercises-in-libya&ved=2ahUKEwi-tdn72YCUAxVA9LsIHSMBMPgQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0eHTfS2y8JrefgDQ7cOnMc

Six years ago, some believed that the joint operation with Libyan government forces against Field Marshal Haftar's forces should have continued and that the eastern regions of the country should have been liberated. But there was a high probability that Egypt, which supports Haftar, would introduce its troops into Libya. In that case, war could have broken out between Turkey and Egypt.

Now, of course, we understand that both sides acted wisely in halting their troop advances.

 

[Saithan]

Turkish and Egyptian special forces conducted joint exercises in Libya.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://caliber.az/en/post/egyptian-turkish-special-forces-conduct-joint-exercises-in-libya&ved=2ahUKEwi-tdn72YCUAxVA9LsIHSMBMPgQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0eHTfS2y8JrefgDQ7cOnMc

Six years ago, some believed that the joint operation against Field Marshal Haftar's forces should have continued and that the country's eastern regions needed to be liberated. But there was a high probability that Egypt, which supports Haftar, would introduce its troops into Libya. In that case, war could have broken out between Turkey and Egypt.

Now, of course, we understand that both sides acted wisely in halting their troop advances.

That is one way to put it. But of course if a certain person had learned to keep his mouth shut our relation with Egypt would not have suffered as it did.

 

[Iskander]

That is one way to put it. But of course if a certain person had learned to keep his mouth shut our relation with Egypt would not have suffered as it did.

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

 

[Zafer]

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

Türkiye Egypt relations wouldn't be any better in any case. Keeping a distance made Egypt explore its options before looking back to Türkiye.

 

[AlperTunga]

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

Yes, and without the unnecessary „one minute“ statement, we would have had 100 F35 by now.

 

[Iskander]

Yes, and without the unnecessary „one minute“ statement, we would have had 100 F35 by now.

Of course.
By the way, in my previous post, I wanted to mention Erdogan's unsuccessful "One Minute" speech, but I didn't because I had already written about it before al-Shara's rise to power in Syria, which effectively worsened the already poor relations between Turkey and Israel. Incidentally, I noticed then that most forum participants disapproved of Erdogan's position.

 

[Zafer]

we would have had 100 F35 by now

With devastating consequences like burying Kaan before it even became a thing.

 

[AlperTunga]

With devastating consequences like burying Kaan before it even became a thing.

KAAN was planned at the time in addition to F35s as air superiority fighter. Once it became clear no F35 on the horizon they designed it more versatile. But no need to get into F35 stuff here. Amazing how quickly things are forgotten.

EDIT: But if you mean we would not have worked so hard for KAAN, there I agree with you. We only work hard when "the egg is at the door" .

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye says Greek maritime maps violate international law - Türkiye News

Türkiye said on April 21 that Greece had established “no fishing zones” in parts of the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean where it has no jurisdiction, and described maps published by Athens as contrary to international law, in a written release by the Foreign Ministry.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

I wonder if government is going to do anything tangible about this other than publishing something.

We all know what is going to happen, Greek coast guard is going to harrass our fishers, and sail all the way to turkish beach turn around and sail away again without anyone doing anything.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2047283240063377519

Greek Cypriot President: "The EU needs a clear action plan on aid to members under attack"

Greek Cypriot President Nikos Christodoulidis said that European Union leaders meeting in Cyprus should begin to prepare an action plan for what should be done if a member state under attack seeks help from its union partners.
Christodoulides said EU leaders would discuss "embodifying" Article 42.7 of the union treaties, which obliges all 27 member states to help each other in times of crisis.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2047283240063377519

I think they are not changing the help part, help with what? Weapons, food, energy or millitary intervention? So they will not change for sake off 0.5 country.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

I think they are not changing the help part, help with what? Weapons, food, energy or millitary intervention? So they will not change for sake off 0.5 country.

Solidarity in Article 42.7 is not clearly defined. He want thst EU Leaders define a clear Action Plan what need to be done in Case of an armed Attack.