Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

[Iskander]

That is one way to put it. But of course if a certain person had learned to keep his mouth shut our relation with Egypt would not have suffered as it did.

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

 

[Zafer]

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

Türkiye Egypt relations wouldn't be any better in any case. Keeping a distance made Egypt explore its options before looking back to Türkiye.

 

[AlperTunga]

You're right if you're referring to Erdogan's completely unnecessary statements in support of Morsi, who has already been overthrown by the newly crowned Egyptian pharaoh, General Sisi.

Then, as today, I considered all of Erdogan's loud statements against Sisi unnecessary, even harmful to Turkey itself, and completely belated.

Was it necessary to support Morsi? Absolutely. But it should have been done before the coup, not after.

The result of these empty statements was a decade of deteriorating relations with the most powerful Arab state—in other words, a clear failure of Turkish intelligence and foreign policy.

Yes, and without the unnecessary „one minute“ statement, we would have had 100 F35 by now.

 

[Iskander]

Yes, and without the unnecessary „one minute“ statement, we would have had 100 F35 by now.

Of course.
By the way, in my previous post, I wanted to mention Erdogan's unsuccessful "One Minute" speech, but I didn't because I had already written about it before al-Shara's rise to power in Syria, which effectively worsened the already poor relations between Turkey and Israel. Incidentally, I noticed then that most forum participants disapproved of Erdogan's position.

 

[Zafer]

we would have had 100 F35 by now

With devastating consequences like burying Kaan before it even became a thing.

 

[AlperTunga]

With devastating consequences like burying Kaan before it even became a thing.

KAAN was planned at the time in addition to F35s as air superiority fighter. Once it became clear no F35 on the horizon they designed it more versatile. But no need to get into F35 stuff here. Amazing how quickly things are forgotten.

EDIT: But if you mean we would not have worked so hard for KAAN, there I agree with you. We only work hard when "the egg is at the door" .

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye says Greek maritime maps violate international law - Türkiye News

Türkiye said on April 21 that Greece had established “no fishing zones” in parts of the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean where it has no jurisdiction, and described maps published by Athens as contrary to international law, in a written release by the Foreign Ministry.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

I wonder if government is going to do anything tangible about this other than publishing something.

We all know what is going to happen, Greek coast guard is going to harrass our fishers, and sail all the way to turkish beach turn around and sail away again without anyone doing anything.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2047283240063377519

Greek Cypriot President: "The EU needs a clear action plan on aid to members under attack"

Greek Cypriot President Nikos Christodoulidis said that European Union leaders meeting in Cyprus should begin to prepare an action plan for what should be done if a member state under attack seeks help from its union partners.
Christodoulides said EU leaders would discuss "embodifying" Article 42.7 of the union treaties, which obliges all 27 member states to help each other in times of crisis.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2047283240063377519

I think they are not changing the help part, help with what? Weapons, food, energy or millitary intervention? So they will not change for sake off 0.5 country.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

I think they are not changing the help part, help with what? Weapons, food, energy or millitary intervention? So they will not change for sake off 0.5 country.

Solidarity in Article 42.7 is not clearly defined. He want thst EU Leaders define a clear Action Plan what need to be done in Case of an armed Attack.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051717005045039480

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051187497363820886

Translation:

EU to Conduct 'What If Cyprus Is Attacked' Simulation!

It has been reported that a simulation exercise under Article 42.7 of the European Union will be held in Brussels to address the EU's mutual defense situation.

According to Greek Cypriot media, the exercise will be conducted at the insistence of @Christodulides and will seek answers to the question of 'What if Cyprus were attacked?'

The exercise will include three scenarios testing how EU member states would react in the event of an attack.

The results will form a roadmap for the EU's next steps and decisions. According to reports, the scenarios are as follows:

Scenario 1: An attack on an EU island nation that is not a NATO member. This category includes Cyprus, Malta, and Ireland. This scenario is particularly critical because it tests the article under the most challenging conditions: without the NATO security umbrella.

Scenario 2: An attack on a country that is both an EU and NATO member. The aim is to see how the two articles (EU Article 42.7 and NATO Article 5) interact. Where do they overlap, where do they complement each other, and where is the potential for conflict?

Third scenario: Cyber attack instead of traditional military attack. The question is: Does Article 42.7, defined as "armed aggression," also cover hybrid threats? This is one of the biggest legal loopholes in the article.

EU Article 42
If a Member State is subjected to armed aggression on its territory, other Member States are obliged, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, to provide assistance and support to that Member State using all available means.

 

[Perun]

This is not so much about Turkey as it is about the United States and the creation of a European army, which is not very popular with the people

 

[Sanchez]

This should be interesting.
"Turkey is preparing to submit a bill to parliament to assert maritime jurisdiction in disputed areas of the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052710113216012621

 

[Saithan]

I wonder how the cirkus is going to perform. With RTE asking foreigners to invest in return for tax exemptions and trying this kind of thing.

While selling off TN vessels to other countries.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Iran vibes

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053394917787877800

That was their supposed "Minotaur"!!

 

[Sanchez]

That was their supposed "Minotaur"!!

Minotaur was a real claimed system placed on a vismodded BTR-60 to look "cool". System itself wasn't fake. It was made by a private company but wasn't incurred, probably only tested. Centaur is based on Ukrainian Bukovel and it is combat proven.

 

[Sanchez]

With some Ouzo these specs become incredible. And maybe we should tell them we don't need GNSS all the time.

https://www.ukrspecexport.com/uploads/redactor/7%20USE_UMEX_Bukovel_PRINT.pdf

"Based on". Bukovel is mainly against GNSS because they made it against Russians. No reason to doubt they updated the system for their own possible needs.

 

[MonteCarlo]

"Based on". Bukovel is mainly against GNSS because they made it against Russians. No reason to doubt they updated the system for their own possible needs.

Imo it doesn't really matter how much they upgrade it the system is good for what it is but isn't groundbreaking by any means. There are several Turkish systems that serves the similar purpose with more advanced methods and even then they aren't talked about that much because they aren't seen as a big deal.

 

[Huelague]

 

[Sanchez]

Reported overflights, dogfights after 2 years, shows of force and Güler's recent bayram message from a barracks in Edirne. Seems region is going hot again.

Aegean tension as Turkish warplanes violate Greek airspace | eKathimerini.com

A group of armed Turkish warplanes violated Greece's airspace on several occasions Monday and became involved in a simulated dogfight with Greek jets sent to intercept them in a new sign of tension between the two neighbors.

www.ekathimerini.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2059614040331010550