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They choose the most simple solution( which we already discussed here) MK48 VLS for Hisar
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Exhaust flames exit from side.
Not MK48 but true that it is a simple solution with inspiration from sideway exhaust MK48.
Existing launchers from HİSAR O+ are used here, which are connected to sideway exhausts.
 

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New Unmanned Sea Platforms are coming to the Turkish Seas.
Aselsan and Sefine Shipyards are producing two new unmanned platforms that will be involved in naval intelligence, ASUW, ASW and defence of naval ports and valuable naval surface assets.
After a ceremony first cutting and welding process of both platforms, their manufacturing process was commenced. Both vessels will have a speed in excess of 40 knots and a range well over 600 nautical miles.
With totally autonomous sailing capability and high manoeuvrability and high speed, both vessels will be able to operate in adverse sea conditions successfully.
They will be able to convey real-time images to command centre.
In the event of loss of link, they will still be able to sail autonomously.
Thanks to it’s adaptive software it will be able to sail in accordance with naval regulations.
To have effective ASUW capabilities, they will be furnished with Roketsan tactical missile systems and Aselsan STAMP.
Both vessels will be able to be transported to their destination by cargo planes, naval ships and by land vehicles.
The one for ASUW operations will have possibility to be converted to a trimaran form which will enable it to carry more weapons and give it ASW and mine warfare capability as well.
With Satcom system they will convey Real time data and image to Control Centre.

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Majority of projects are on naval shipyards and subcontractors are companies affiliated with state. Only issue could be payment of material and subsystems which i believe is already included in budget for ongoing projects.
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Hello all,
My name is Özgür Ekşi. I am the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TurDef.com. I am a former defence correspondent of Hurriyet Daily (2005-2012) and founder partner and editor-in-chief of C4Defence online defence magazine (2012-2020).
I established TurDef to provide defence news from the Turkish Defence industry as the name may hint.
I just want to share recent developments about the navy. All news belong to me, otherwise, it will be noted. I might be a little bit old for forums, so please bear with my mistakes.

Dear Eksi;
We are glad to see you here. You can be sure that all your experience and contributions'll be welcomed. We look forward to your sharings.
 

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Looking from afar, the radar installed on Anadolu seems to be Cenk-S (under the cover but there is a typical notch on top similar to the one seen on Cenk-S and missing on Smart-S -this one is rather flat). Could be an illusion of the light too.
 

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TCG Ufuk, close to complete the acceptance trials and become part of the Turkish Navy.
This ship is going to put Turkey in a different class when it comes to naval intelligence and naval power.
As mentioned, most Important weapon nowadays is the “technological and digital warfare capability”. TCG Ufuk has been designed, from top to bottom, to achieve this goal.
The real aim of this ship is to listen to all the electronic and digital data of enemy, collect it, analyse it, and if needed trick, block and misdirect enemy signals with counter measures.
Almost all technical equipment and sensors that have been manufactured by the Turkish defence industry, will be on this ship in one form another being used and being tested.
Biggest game changer, and breaking of your opponents defence mechanism occurs, when you have taken out your opponent’s digital, electronic warfare capability and it’s IT infra-structure.
As well as receiving intel on your enemy ships, this vessel will be able to receive and analyse data from land positions.
Apart from that, TCG Ufuk is able to receive data on all the countries that it is close to, regarding their radar, electronic communications, and follow and analyse their radar and similar sensors’ energy outputs. With this capability She can block and blind the source of these signals.
No other navy around us has this capability. But with TCG Ufuk we do!
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Hello all,
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I established TurDef to provide defence news from the Turkish Defence industry as the name may hint.
I just want to share recent developments about the navy. All news belong to me, otherwise, it will be noted. I might be a little bit old for forums, so please bear with my mistakes.
Very welcome bro.
 

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@Apart from that, TCG Ufuk is able to receive data on all the countries that it is close to, regarding their radar, electronic communications, and follow and analyse their radar and similar sensors’ energy outputs. With this capability She can block and blind the source of these signals.
No other navy around us has this capability. But with TCG Ufuk we do


-- So if the Ufuk is so good why Turkey dont produce another one or two !
With only 1 if the war break out and she is destroyed than what ?!
 

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Hello all,
My name is Özgür Ekşi. I am the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TurDef.com. I am a former defence correspondent of Hurriyet Daily (2005-2012) and founder partner and editor-in-chief of C4Defence online defence magazine (2012-2020).
I established TurDef to provide defence news from the Turkish Defence industry as the name may hint.
I just want to share recent developments about the navy. All news belong to me, otherwise, it will be noted. I might be a little bit old for forums, so please bear with my mistakes.
Welcome to the forum brother.
I can't wait to read your future contributions.
I'm sure all of us here are glad to see you among us.
 

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Dear Eksi;
We are glad to see you here. You can be sure that all your experience and contributions'll be welcomed. We look forward to your sharings.
Thank you very much for this warm welcome which makes me ask myself why I did not come here earlier. I will be happy to contribute here and I am sure I will learn as well.
 

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Welcome to the forum brother.
I can't wait to read your future contributions.
I'm sure all of us here are glad to see you among us.
So nice of you, I mostly talk to authorities. This is why I did not come here earlier. But I understand that it is another richness too. Thank you.
 

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@Apart from that, TCG Ufuk is able to receive data on all the countries that it is close to, regarding their radar, electronic communications, and follow and analyse their radar and similar sensors’ energy outputs. With this capability She can block and blind the source of these signals.
No other navy around us has this capability. But with TCG Ufuk we do


-- So if the Ufuk is so good why Turkey dont produce another one or two !
With only 1 if the war break out and she is destroyed than what ?!
1. It is not cheap to produce a ship like this. We are not a cash rich country.
2. There are other ships that need to be finished before building a second one of these. 3 x I class frigates and 7 x TF2000 air defence destroyers need to be built urgently. Plus the Reis class Subs have to be finished first.
3. This ship has the same body as Milgem Corvettes. Hence have a stealthy body. Not easy to see on radars. Therefore won’t be a target that easily. Besides it will never be in the midst of a battle.
4. A war is not very likely. But the knowledge that a ship like this exists in the hands of TN, is a big deterrent in it’s own right.
5. Once this one establishes itself as a viable and effective platform, a more advanced version will definitely be considered.

Having said all this, I have to add that to have a ship like this with no significant defensive weapons is a very perplexing move. I find it very difficult to understand why we have chosen this route for this ship.
 

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Hello all, I hope you enjoy the piece of work I prepared today. It is about the future of works in Turkey about Electromagnetic Rail guns. As you may all know that US Navy has dropped the project. So I learned the current situation in Turkey. I hope you enjoy it.

 

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Hello all, I hope you enjoy the piece of work I prepared today. It is about the future of works in Turkey about Electromagnetic Rail guns. As you may all know that US Navy has dropped the project. So I learned the current situation in Turkey. I hope you enjoy it.

US is postponing the work on Rail-Gun project indefinitely, because:
1. Only 2 ships available (Zumwalt Destroyers) to provide enough power.
2. No new ships until 2028-2030 that can accommodate a Rail Gun.
3. High cost of maintenance and initial investment, for the maximum range attainable; Doesn’t make economic sense.
4. Technical advances attained in HVP (Hyper Velocity Projectiles), makes more sense in investing in. This technology developed by BAE Systems, rely on the aerodynamic structure of the rounds used and are fired from 127mm or 155mm conventional guns. HVP provides 90+ Km range with guidance when fired from 155mm guns. They have also been fired from 127mm main gun of sea platforms, reaching muzzle velocities in excess of 7mach. US was able to hit a cruise missile with these rounds. Their vice defence minister iterated along the lines of , “Tanks being able to hit cruise missiles is going to be awesome”.
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Therefore I don’t see the point in carrying on with this technology. If US is throwing the towel, why are we still going on?
Aselsan’s Tufan is the only one that shows a little bit of promise. Sahi EMT has not been fired at full power. All tests they show is the gun hitting a hillside 500m away with less kinetic energy than an artillery round. They say they are aiming for 50km range. That is a “Joke” with the test pictures they publish. At least with Aselsan the whole thing is realistic. They managed to attain 9+Mach muzzle velocity for the projectile.
 
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She can block and blind the source of these signals.
This is the part i doubt, i have no information regarding to such Jamming capability. TCG Ufuk is more of a platform to gather intelligence by all means (SIGINT,COMINT,ELINT) and moreover contribute to the threat library for EW suites.
With only 1 if the war break out and she is destroyed than what ?!
There is being one,does not mean there will be one forever. I personally expect 2, 1 for the home, 1 for the deployments. Moreover major surface platforms also will receive COMINT/SIGINT capabilities (more than what is available now)

US is postponing the work on Rail-Gun project indefinitely, because:
1. Only 2 ships available (Zumwalt Destroyers) to provide enough power.
2. No new ships until 2028-2030 that can accommodate a Rail Gun.
3. High cost of maintenance and initial investment, for the maximum range attainable; Doesn’t make economic sense.
4. Technical advances attained in HVP (Hyper Velocity Projectiles), makes more sense in investing in. This technology developed by BAE Systems, rely on the aerodynamic structure of the rounds used and are fired from 127mm or 155mm conventional guns. HVP provides 90+ Km range with guidance when fired from 155mm guns. They have also been fired from 127mm main gun of sea platforms, reaching muzzle velocities in excess of 7mach. US was able to hit a cruise missile with these rounds. Their vice defence minister iterated along the lines of , “Tanks being able to hit cruise missiles is going to be awesome”.
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Therefore I don’t see the point in carrying on with this technology. If US is throwing the towel, why are we still going on?
Aselsan’s Tufan is the only one that shows a little bit of promise. Sahi EMT has not been fired at full power. All tests they show is the gun hitting a hillside 500m away with less kinetic energy than an artillery round. They say they are aiming for 50km range. That is a “Joke” with the test pictures they publish. At least with Aselsan the whole thing is realistic. They managed to attain 9+Mach muzzle velocity for the projectile.
This project has two parts; one to develop the rail gun which is made to launch the projectiles, another one is the projectile and the capsule-guidance. We should complete the first part in scientific phase (ongoing and probably won't pass to an prototype level) and gather as much as possible information during this, for the latter one it is best to go all in to adjust with the future yet there is still time to introduce conventional guidance munitions before the hyper-sonic one.

So the project does make sense as of now; we can use some outcome to design the projectile/capsule-guidance and the barrel for hyper-sonic velocities and spare the developments on rail gun to be matured for future meanwhile using conventional methods to launch this projectiles.

What made the project seem bad was speech of the some people owning some companies that work on this matter, they glorified it to some level which people started to believe we can deploy these on ships in a year from now and fire the gun.
 

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Hello all,
My name is Özgür Ekşi. I am the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TurDef.com. I am a former defence correspondent of Hurriyet Daily (2005-2012) and founder partner and editor-in-chief of C4Defence online defence magazine (2012-2020).
I established TurDef to provide defence news from the Turkish Defence industry as the name may hint.
I just want to share recent developments about the navy. All news belong to me, otherwise, it will be noted. I might be a little bit old for forums, so please bear with my mistakes.


Mr Özgür Ekşi,

Glad to see you in defencehub, brother. Thank you for sharing your articles and thoughts with us on this platform. Feel yourself at home please.
 

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I know its kinda offtopic but i saw this video of sahi electromagnetic railgun making some test shots.
As far as i know this gun is able to speed up the projectile to 6 mach but when you look at the video the speed of the projectile is barely 0.3-0.4 mach.

you may say that this is a test in a field and they might not have enough electricity there but its still too slow.if my 0.4 mach estimation is correct, with basic kinetic energy equation we can say that the energy you need to shoot that projectile with 6 mach speed is around 300-400 times more.also there you see some smoke coming out of the barrell.(which might be normal, i just dont know)
Can someone please enlighten me
 

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Does any body know ..what is the difference between fersah and yakamoz sonars ..and who is superior to the other ?
 
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