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Yeah, you find a little thing in my post.

It gone up since a few years. Does it change the fact that we are lower than OECD countries?

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I gave a lot of examples, made a conclusion. But, let's not talk about them.

Okay, guys.
What happened in 2015 ? Meteor shower hit our students' brains?Is it normal dramatic ups and downs?


Currently i live in Fatih district. İn neighborhood very fanatic Erdoğan supporters started complaining about economy and they aren't sure if they vote again for AKP.
The contractor whose WhatsApp profile photo with Erdoğan yesterday complained to me.
Conservatives just don't know alternative of Erdoğan.
Ali Babacan is promising personality.
 
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What happened in 2015 ? Meteor shower hit our students' brains?Is it normal dramatic ups and downs?


Currently i live in Fatih district. İn neighborhood very fanatic Erdoğan supporters started complaining about economy and they aren't sure if they vote again for AKP.
The contractor whose WhatsApp profile photo with Erdoğan yesterday complained to me.
Conservatives just don't know alternative of Erdoğan.
Ali Babacan is promising personality.
I don't even care what AKPeons think.... Erdogan is losing at all polls. Outcome won't be changed by their votes.
 

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I thought a lot on this issue and i too think, education on mother language is right. I believe many rights should be given to Kurds.

I understand the arguments behind your posting on an intellectual level but I refuse to accept this mindset while admittedly lacking of a satisfactory answer.

Look, my ancestors are Zazas. Do you know them? It's an ethnic group living in Eastern Anatolia. My parents can still talk in Zazaki but me and my siblings don't know a word, same goes for my cousins. They can't speak this language either. Honestly? It doesn't bother me even a bit. I don't care. I haven't lost anything.

I'm a Turk. I speak Turkish, my culture is Turkish, my religion is Islam. I've never got excluded from anything due to my heritage, no one ever questioned my Turkishness in Turkey or elswhere. We are raised Turkish.

My grandma cries everytime she watches the news of martyred soldiers. Couple years ago, when we gave şehit almost every week, we stopped watching the news because of her. She has heart issues and all that crying and cursing at PKK started to make her really sick. If an old Zaza lady can accept being a part of the Turkish nation, so can the youth in Southeastern Turkey. Turkish nationalism is neither toxic nor destructive; it's the opposite and very much inclusive.

Perhaps, people in the West haven't grasped the concept of the Turkish identity. They assume it's similar to European concepts and those people use nationalism only as a tool to discriminate and exclude others. That is not the case with Turkey.

I've never seen a Kurd facing prejudice or unfair treatment after embracing the Turkish identitiy. What's so hard about assimilating into the Turkish society when being a Turk is first and foremost an ideological decision rather than an ethnic one?

Don't fall into the trap. The PKK conflict is political. It's not about language and culture.

Our door is wide open. Come in, be an equal member of the community or simply leave.
 

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I understand the arguments behind your posting on an intellectual level but I refuse to accept this mindset while admittedly lacking of a satisfactory answer.

Look, my ancestors are Zazas. Do you know them? It's an ethnic group living in Eastern Anatolia. My parents can still talk in Zazaki but me and my siblings don't know a word, same goes for my cousins. They can't speak this language either. Honestly? It doesn't bother me even a bit. I don't care. I haven't lost anything.

I'm a Turk. I speak Turkish, my culture is Turkish, my religion is Islam. I've never got excluded from anything due to my heritage, no one ever questioned my Turkishness in Turkey or elswhere. We are raised Turkish.

My grandma cries everytime she watches the news of martyred soldiers. Couple years ago, when we gave şehit almost every week, we stopped watching the news because of her. She has heart issues and all that crying and cursing at PKK started to make her really sick. If an old Zaza lady can accept being a part of the Turkish nation, so can the youth in Southeastern Turkey. Turkish nationalism is neither toxic nor destructive; it's the opposite and very much inclusive.

Perhaps, people in the West haven't grasped the concept of the Turkish identity. They assume it's similar to European concepts and those people use nationalism only as a tool to discriminate and exclude others. That is not the case with Turkey.

I've never seen a Kurd facing prejudice or unfair treatment after embracing the Turkish identitiy. What's so hard about assimilating into the Turkish society when being a Turk is first and foremost an ideological decision rather than an ethnic one?

Don't fall into the trap. The PKK conflict is political. It's not about language and culture.

Our door is wide open. Come in, be an equal member of the community or simply leave.
Bro, i really don't like kind of discussion.

You are claiming stuff, based on your experience and generalizing whole problem on your idea.

I'm just gonna say, Kurds wouldn't vote for HDP (Third biggest party after AKP and CHP) if it had been like you said.
 

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Also Erdogan is a georgian. I find it suspicious how non Turks are deciding the future of the country at the expense of the majority.

This is my personal opinion, not that of a mod.

As much as I dislike Erdogan and I really do, he's Turkish. How can someone sane argue that someone who has had some Georgian origin is not Turkish today if that person has been living, the parents have been living, in Turkey their entire life?

Whats next all the Balkan Turks that came to Turkey after the fall of the Ottoman Empire are what? Foreigners?

How far do you want to go back?
 

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Bro, i really don't like kind of discussion.

You are claiming stuff, based on your experience and generalizing whole problem on your idea.

I'm just gonna say, Kurds wouldn't vote for HDP (Third biggest party after AKP and CHP) if it had been like you said.

This is not true. Don't just pick out certain provinces. Take a look at the bigger picture. The majority is not voting for HDP otherwise Turkey would look like Syria.
 

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I understand the arguments behind your posting on an intellectual level but I refuse to accept this mindset while admittedly lacking of a satisfactory answer.

Look, my ancestors are Zazas. Do you know them? It's an ethnic group living in Eastern Anatolia. My parents can still talk in Zazaki but me and my siblings don't know a word, same goes for my cousins. They can't speak this language either. Honestly? It doesn't bother me even a bit. I don't care. I haven't lost anything.

I'm a Turk. I speak Turkish, my culture is Turkish, my religion is Islam. I've never got excluded from anything due to my heritage, no one ever questioned my Turkishness in Turkey or elswhere. We are raised Turkish.

My grandma cries everytime she watches the news of martyred soldiers. Couple years ago, when we gave şehit almost every week, we stopped watching the news because of her. She has heart issues and all that crying and cursing at PKK started to make her really sick. If an old Zaza lady can accept being a part of the Turkish nation, so can the youth in Southeastern Turkey. Turkish nationalism is neither toxic nor destructive; it's the opposite and very much inclusive.

Perhaps, people in the West haven't grasped the concept of the Turkish identity. They assume it's similar to European concepts and those people use nationalism only as a tool to discriminate and exclude others. That is not the case with Turkey.

I've never seen a Kurd facing prejudice or unfair treatment after embracing the Turkish identitiy. What's so hard about assimilating into the Turkish society when being a Turk is first and foremost an ideological decision rather than an ethnic one?

Don't fall into the trap. The PKK conflict is political. It's not about language and culture.

Our door is wide open. Come in, be an equal member of the community or simply leave.
Where do your ancestors come from? Elazığ? Zazas are known for being Turkish patriots. You had better not confuse your identity. You are not Kurd, you are Zaza!

Unfortunately 60% of Local people of Kurdish cities have sympathy to terrorist organization.
 

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considering how much the PKK has lost in terms of land, ppl and influence thx to Erdo
But with the CHP making the same mistakes, if not even worse, then the PKK will be an integral part of the country. By then, it will be too late to save Turkey and it will end up getting divided
Just look at how Iraq Kurdistan was formed
Just look at how Syria got torn
Just look at how Libya got divided

Learn from history for Gods sake
Stop making hate blind your eyes
I know AKP may be corrupt, they are bad, Iam not living in Turkey so I dont know how much you may be suffering but at the end of the day "1+1=2". Wanna improve Turkey, do that by replacing Erdo with a better one and not by a party that will literally repeat the same mistakes as the AKP did before
This isnt called progression or improvement, In fact, this is known as REGRESSION


I will state some of Ince's words again: "The CHP has no plan, no vision, they dont know what to do in the future, all what they care about is removing Erdo from office"
This is without a doubt the summary of the AKP-CHP Rivalry
This isnt healthy for Turkey or the Turkish ppl at all

Erdogan is the biggest saviour of PKK. PKK was finished in early 2000s he revived them with his western friends, gulenists and liberals.

Erdogan gave constitutional legitimacy to HDP, a party that openly supports terrorism, by initiating the solution process. If Turkey cannot close down HDP today it is because of the judical barriers caused by the solution process.

Erdogan has been the biggest enabler of Syrian Civil War by supporting Israel and USA against Assad. He literally founded the PKK/YPG state in the north of Syria. Even demographically, by taking 6 million refugees he enabled that area to be suitable for YPG. YPG terrorists shall pray all day to Erdogan for his cooperation.

Erdogan is the hero of PKK. Only since 2015 when he had to sit on the lap of the Turkish state, he was made to do some right choices but in every aspect he insists on his mistakes. He insists on not making peace with Assad and makes Assad obliged to cooperate with Russia and with YPG against TFSA and this further impoves the legitimacy of YPG in the region.

Had Turkey kept its borders closed and cooperated with Assad against Israel and USA since day 1, there wouldnt have been a PKK in the North of Syria smiling towards us, promising at least 50 years of pain on our necks. Erdogan literally came and took a massive shit on Turkey. Generations will come and generations will go until that shit will be cleaned if it will ever be cleaned.

Now that YPG will be a pain in Turkeys neck forever. It will state-ify and all thanks to Erdogan.

There is no country, no government stupid enough to help imperialists initiate a civil war on its neighbouring country except for Erdogan and AKP government.
These rascals are the worst thing ever to happen to Turkey.

Even current state of the CHP is a result of Erdogan. In 2010 he cooperated with Gulenists to take down the contemporary CHP leader and be replaced by Kilicdaroglu. When he was told to forbade Baykals videos due to privacy of personal life principle he responded back ''these are not private, these are public! Public!''

I am sick and tired of people whitewashing Erdogans betrayals and crimes against Turkey. In any normal country he would be hanged to death for even %1 of his crimes.
 

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Erdogan is the biggest saviour of PKK. PKK was finished in early 2000s he revived them with his western friends, gulenists and liberals.

Erdogan gave constitutional legitimacy to HDP, a party that openly supports terrorism, by initiating the solution process. If Turkey cannot close down HDP today it is because of the judical barriers caused by the solution process.

Erdogan has been the biggest enabler of Syrian Civil War by supporting Israel and USA against Assad. He literally founded the PKK/YPG state in the north of Syria. Even demographically, by taking 6 million refugees he enabled that area to be suitable for YPG. YPG terrorists shall pray all day to Erdogan for his cooperation.

Erdogan is the hero of PKK. Only since 2015 when he had to sit on the lap of the Turkish state, he was made to do some right choices but in every aspect he insists on his mistakes. He insists on not making peace with Assad and makes Assad obliged to cooperate with Russia and with YPG against TFSA and this further impoves the legitimacy of YPG in the region.

Had Turkey kept its borders closed and cooperated with Assad against Israel and USA since day 1, there wouldnt have been a PKK in the North of Syria smiling towards us, promising at least 50 years of pain on our necks. Erdogan literally came and took a massive shit on Turkey. Generations will come and generations will go until that shit will be cleaned if it will ever be cleaned.

Now that YPG will be a pain in Turkeys neck forever. It will state-ify and all thanks to Erdogan.

There is no country, no government stupid enough to help imperialists initiate a civil war on its neighbouring country except for Erdogan and AKP government.
These rascals are the worst thing ever to happen to Turkey.

Even current state of the CHP is a result of Erdogan. In 2010 he cooperated with Gulenists to take down the contemporary CHP leader and be replaced by Kilicdaroglu. When he was told to forbade Baykals videos due to privacy of personal life principle he responded back ''these are not private, these are public! Public!''

I am sick and tired of people whitewashing Erdogans betrayals and crimes against Turkey. In any normal country he would be hanged to death for even %1 of his crimes.

Chp has moved away from Old Guard Kemalism for decades.

Chp today comes from the 90s. Chp is more leftist and social democrat.

Akp based itself as Islamist and conservative but Erdogan is a cunning opportunist hence why he can easily get anybody onto his side.

Akp today is more akin to the Republican party.

Before HDP there was the BDP.
 

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I don't like Davutoğlu a bit.

For me, he is kinda short-sighted. He might be an honest guy but he is not a strategist, imo.

Those people like Davutoğlu, İbrahim Kalın whom only studied Islam, Islamic culture, islamic civilization bounds to be short-sighted IMO.
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I thought a lot on this issue and i too think, education on mother language is right. I believe many rights should be given to Kurds.
I think there might be Kurdish language courses like English and German etc. I wouldn't support %100 Kurdish thought state schools, but they should open private ones. There is French, German, English school why not Kurdish ones?
 

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I think there might be Kurdish language courses like English and German etc. I wouldn't support %100 Kurdish thought state schools, but they should open private ones. There is French, German, English school why not Kurdish ones?
Their argument is we are founding elements of Turkey. We are not minority (Kurds are not considered minority by state also), so, we must enjoy same rights with Turks.

I don't know about application, there would be some questions but when you go to start point, i think they have right to want this kind of stuff.

I also want to stress out that these are my ideas, i don't claim that this is the right way to proceed. 10 years ago, i was thinking very differently, today i'm thinking differently maybe 10 years later i would think differently. Just stating my ideas.
 

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Their argument is we are founding elements of Turkey. We are not minority (Kurds are not considered minority by state also), so, we must enjoy same rights with Turks.

I don't know about application, there would be some questions but when you go to start point, i think they have right to want this kind of stuff.

I also want to stress out that these are my ideas, i don't claim that this is the right way to proceed. 10 years ago, i was thinking very differently, today i'm thinking differently maybe 10 years later i would think differently. Just stating my ideas.
One more 30 year compulsory education in Turkish language then Kurdish Separatist movement will be end. Language is like infection , once you are infected , your way of thinking will change.
For instance , minorities in Russian Federation.
We aren't rasist, all Turkish citizens have mixed DNA, but we must create an united community and national consciousness.
Here in my neighborhood i see Kurdish speaking personalities with MHP tattoo.

Remember Atatürk wanted create a nation from Ottomans but it wasn't easy.

Ukrayna'da Tunceli Kürdü ve alevisi arkadaşım var kızına Türkçe öğretmek için kendini parçaladı özel öğretmenler tuttu. Anası Babası Kürtçe konuşan bu arkadaşım küçük kızı Türkçe öğrenince çok şükür başardım dedi.
 

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A discovery I have personally made:
In the World Mayor Contest where Mansur Yavaş was elected, the so-called Mayor of Raqqa, a terrorist from YPG, was also selected!

Here is the full list:

http://www.worldmayor.com/

PKK/YPG terrorist so called mayor of Raqqa:

http://www.worldmayor.com/contest-2021/essay-mayor-raqqa.html

Mansur Yavas:

http://www.worldmayor.com/contest-2021/essay-mayor-ankara.html

Ceremony that Mansur Yavas accepted the award:


It just came off weird to me that among 9 individuals who received the award one is Mansur Yavaş and other is a PKK/YPG terrorist. Among all the mayors of the World think about it.

Chp'nin, Mansur Yavaş'ın, Ekrem İmamoğlu'nun böyle ödülleri kabul ederken daha dikkatli olması lazım. Kimdir bu organizasyon? Ne kadar köklü? Fonlayanı kim?

PKK'lı/YPG'li kadının sayfasında yazdıkları da tam YPG propagandası bu arada:

''By 2017 and Isis’s defeat by the Syrian Democratic force...''

Aynen kanka Işid'i ABD hava kuvvetleri değil YPG'li kadın savaşçılar yendi.

''In-spite of the devastation caused by ISIS and the war, Raqqa is not flooded with aid from the West. Indeed the Trump administration cut its aid programme in 2019.''

Trump'a da laf çakmayı unutmamışlar.

''ISIS cells are still a danger and Syria’s Assad regime wants to reclaim Raqqa.But Leila has the determination and courage not to be defeated by these major problems, obstacles and threats to life. She shows on a daily basis, through her energy and commitment how people from different levels of this society can work together both at strategic Civil Council level but also and perhaps more significantly on the front line.''

Ulan Esat ülkenin meşru yöneticisi, sen nasıl böyle bir şey diyebiliyorsun?
 

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Brothers I am reading the thread and seeing some content in Turkish. Lets try to use English here so all our readers can understand what is going on. Thank you!
 

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Their argument is we are founding elements of Turkey. We are not minority (Kurds are not considered minority by state also), so, we must enjoy same rights with Turks.

I don't know about application, there would be some questions but when you go to start point, i think they have right to want this kind of stuff.

I also want to stress out that these are my ideas, i don't claim that this is the right way to proceed. 10 years ago, i was thinking very differently, today i'm thinking differently maybe 10 years later i would think differently. Just stating my ideas.
My understanding is that Kurds are not considered a "minority" in that they are just "Turks" as in citizens of Turkey. Circassians, Laz, Arabs, Levantines, etc, are not really acknowledged as separate minorities either as far as my knowledge goes.

You have the right to offer Kurdish language or Arabic language or French language as electives but Turkish should remain the official one. America has a substantial minority of Hispanic individuals and the European-descended population is majority Germanic but English is the only recognized language not German or Spanish.

Give separatists an inch, they'll grab a mile.
 

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It seems that the EU is increasing their public support to the PKK these days which is worrying
Are the PKK getting desperate and are using such means to motivate their fighters by portraying it as a "Victory" against the evil state or is the EU increasing pressure on Ankara as a sign that it will be more pro-active with the kurds?

 

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Seriously what the fck is Chp's problem with imperialism???

Seriously they need to stop using this peace at home and peace in the world quote.

Honestly sick of seeing people misusing Ataturks quotes just to justify their pussy stances.

Nothing wrong in imperialism or defending Turkey's interests in side the country and outside of the country.

Seriously man people need to stop this shit man. There is no such thing as living in peace with neighbours as you prepare for what is there to come. Your neighbours want a piece of you.
 

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Seriously what the fck is Chp's problem with imperialism???

Seriously they need to stop using this peace at home and peace in the world quote.

Honestly sick of seeing people misusing Ataturks quotes just to justify their pussy stances.

Nothing wrong in imperialism or defending Turkey's interests in side the country and outside of the country.

Seriously man people need to stop this shit man. There is no such thing as living in peace with neighbours as you prepare for what is there to come. Your neighbours want a piece of you.
They do not like Baykar drones either, these guy is no traitor or what by the their own standards?
 

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They do not like Baykar drones either, these guy is no traitor or what by the their own standards?

These chpli jokes have no problem with Greece's maximalist claims where they block us out of the aegan and the med sea.

When Turkey starts challenging this somehow to these idiots we are the bad guys.

This is the same guy who opposes Turkey's support to Azerbaijan.

Still he will trick everybody by posting Ataturk pictures and quotes on his facebook or twitter.

His a clown not just him who has this mentality.

People can post about how much they love Ataturk once they start opposing the country defending its interests. Your love for the founder of the republic of Turkey means shit to me if you cant even defend or support the countries interests.

Chpli Ecevit even closed down incirlik also worked with Necmettin Erbakan on the Cyprus issue. Unal Cevikoz would have cried imperialism or how the Turks are the bad guys if we had the cyprus issue today.
 
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