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British MFA: "(MMU) Turkiye is a NATO country, Rolls Royce is a British company and we are proud of it. I am happy to see our friends around the world working with these great companies"

It seems that RR is coming to work with Turkish companies for the engine of MMU.
 

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From İsmail Demir's statements

"Kale ve Rolls-Royce ortaklığının teklifini bekledik. Biraz süre uzatmak gerekti. Onların teklifinin daha somutlaştırılmasıyla ilgili süre vermemiz gerekti, onu bekliyoruz. O geldiğinde daha net bir değerlendirme yapabileceğiz."

"We waited for the offer of Kale and Rolls-Royce partnership. It took some time to extend. We had to give some more time to make their proposal more concrete, we are waiting for it. When they hand it, we will be able to make a clearer assessment."


Seems like they are going to choose Kale+RR if they don't offer a sh*tty engine or conditions.
Otherwise they would have just selected TRMotor/TEI without waiting
 

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From İsmail Demir's statements

"Kale ve Rolls-Royce ortaklığının teklifini bekledik. Biraz süre uzatmak gerekti. Onların teklifinin daha somutlaştırılmasıyla ilgili süre vermemiz gerekti, onu bekliyoruz. O geldiğinde daha net bir değerlendirme yapabileceğiz."

"We waited for the offer of Kale and Rolls-Royce partnership. It took some time to extend. We had to give some more time to make their proposal more concrete, we are waiting for it. When they hand it, we will be able to make a clearer assessment."


Seems like they are going to choose Kale+RR if they don't offer a sh*tty engine or conditions.
Otherwise they would have just selected TRMotor/TEI without waiting
Even if rolls Royce kale engine chosen, we should continue our own engine development separately with budget from state
 

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Even if rolls Royce kale engine chosen, we should continue our own engine development separately with budget from state
I agree, maybe we can get an engine suitable for exports around 2032/35 so this will eliminate the need for IP rights of RR+Kale
 

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Ismail Demir also mentioned a partnership between TEI and TrMotor which may include Kale. If such a situation happens, it means that RR, Kale, TEI and TrMotor will all work together in the national turbofan engine project.
 

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From İsmail Demir's statements

"Kale ve Rolls-Royce ortaklığının teklifini bekledik. Biraz süre uzatmak gerekti. Onların teklifinin daha somutlaştırılmasıyla ilgili süre vermemiz gerekti, onu bekliyoruz. O geldiğinde daha net bir değerlendirme yapabileceğiz."

"We waited for the offer of Kale and Rolls-Royce partnership. It took some time to extend. We had to give some more time to make their proposal more concrete, we are waiting for it. When they hand it, we will be able to make a clearer assessment."


Seems like they are going to choose Kale+RR if they don't offer a sh*tty engine or conditions.
Otherwise they would have just selected TRMotor/TEI without waiting
This is ridiculous

Why on earth would they still want to choose Kale/RR instead of TEI/TRMotor even though the latter will perform the first ignition of the TF-6000 by Jan 2023 and the TFX engine will be easily based on it! This means that TEI has a high possibility of giving Turkey a domestic engine for the TFX by 2028 when the mass production begins

Idk wtf is going on tbh
 

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This is ridiculous

Why on earth would they still want to choose Kale/RR instead of TEI/TRMotor even though the latter will perform the first ignition of the TF-6000 by Jan 2023 and the TFX engine will be easily based on it! This means that TEI has a high possibility of giving Turkey a domestic engine for the TFX by 2028 when the mass production begins

Idk wtf is going on tbh
Probably to get better relations with UK and get a secure plan of TEI fails, I think that even if they choose RR+Kale, TEI+TRMotor will work to develop an engine for both exports and tech
 

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Probably to get better relations with UK and get a secure plan of TEI fails, I think that even if they choose RR+Kale, TEI+TRMotor will work to develop an engine for both exports and tech
RR can do more experienced and more quickly. It is also a good reference for countries that will buy the plane.
 

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RR can do more experienced and more quickly. It is also a good reference for countries that will buy the plane.
Depending on lots of factors, engine might not be good as TEI product.

But yes it will be done faster probably
 

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This is ridiculous

Why on earth would they still want to choose Kale/RR instead of TEI/TRMotor even though the latter will perform the first ignition of the TF-6000 by Jan 2023 and the TFX engine will be easily based on it! This means that TEI has a high possibility of giving Turkey a domestic engine for the TFX by 2028 when the mass production begins

Idk wtf is going on tbh
Because kale and RR can actually make a engine? It will take years for TEI to make a 4th gen engine also TF6000 isn't powerful enough to power MMU.

You need to know how to make these kind of stuff you can't just make a fully fledged engine in 4 years.
 

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Just to make something Clear!
İsmail Demir President of Defence Industry Agency in 2022 already State that ALL teams in different companies which are working/ involved in Domestic MMU engine will be bring together as ONE team.
He said there will not be Different teams working on separate MMU project engine.

He also said about RR that Turkiye is on talk with RR that if they want they can JOIN the team or NOT.
İsmail Demir SAID that in 2022-2023 year Turkiye own companies team MADE brake through part/product/platform etc. THING that Prove Turkiye have at present ALL to BUILD MMU engine without any issue.

What I am trying to SAY is that Decision is already made and it is FACT that there is ONLY ONE TEAM made by engineers from Kale, TEI, TRMotor etc.

RR is notified by President of Defence Industry Agency İsmail Demir that Door is open for RR but it is open as they have to join the TEAM and anything related to MMU engine is owned to Turkiye I mean IP rights..........etc.
 

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Because kale and RR can actually make a engine? It will take years for TEI to make a 4th gen engine also TF6000 isn't powerful enough to power MMU.

You need to know how to make these kind of stuff you can't just make a fully fledged engine in 4 years.
The thing is power is not the problem.

Also, TF-6000 is a pretty good engine, but they will test some stuff like TVC, Divergent Convergent, IR stealth and others.

RR does have experience but it depends on how much they want to share
 

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Mesude KILIÇ, Head of SSB Engine and Power Transmission Systems:

"Our biggest challenge in engine and transmission projects is that we are trying to develop engines and transmissions on the one hand, and trying to create an eco-system on the other.

While developing the engine and transmission, you cannot supply the relevant subsystem after a while. Where the relevant sub-system or the relevant raw material will be used is actually obvious when viewed from the outside. We continue our efforts to develop these raw materials and sub-systems. It is one of the most difficult issues to create this entire eco-system, except for system design, but we continue our projects and works with all our strength."

 

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Mr Ismail Demir: "We had conditions regarding RR (MMU engine development). There doesn't seem to be a problem at the moment. Before starting to work, we should not speak early"
 

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