TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
9,192
Reactions
67 31,256
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

House of Representatives Armed Services Committee Chairman Adam Smith said in a webinar he attended at the Brookings Institution that the budget allocated to the F-35 fighter jet should be cut.

Throughout the webinar, he was actually talking about the reforms they wanted to make in defense spending. But I was intrigued by his saying "I don't want to bury money in that rathole for the F-35 program".
 

Philip the Arab

Contributor
Think Tank Analyst
Messages
1,345
Reactions
4 2,249
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Jordan
Tbh i still think that UAE will get F-35s, but we shall see come april.

Biden is still enslaved by the MIC and AIPAC as always.
 

500

Contributor
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
Israel Moderator
Messages
861
Solutions
1
Reactions
15 3,121
Nation of residence
Israel
Nation of origin
Israel
Tbh i still think that UAE will get F-35s, but we shall see come april.

Biden is still enslaved by the MIC and AIPAC as always.
Democrates want to make a deal with Iran at any cost. Thats why they stopped the F-35 deal with UAE.
 

Blackeyes90

Contributor
Moderator
Messages
909
Reactions
5 3,186
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Democrates want to make a deal with Iran at any cost. Thats why they stopped the F-35 deal with UAE.
Thats not the only reason. Also they question the timing of this deal. After all Trump signed this deal in the last day in his term. There are serious doubts in USA about UAE's reach in Trump's White house cabinet.
 

Kartal1

Experienced member
Lead Moderator
Messages
5,291
Reactions
114 19,713
Nation of residence
Bulgaria
Nation of origin
Turkey
I think it will be a very good decision to participate in any way in TEMPEST program also for Turkey. I think that program have very big potential and Turkey can get a lot from it. I will be glad if MMU could evolve to a TEMPEST variant configured especially for the Turkish needs with maximum national input. Some of the strongest airpowers aim to field 6th Generation fighters by 2030-2040. If we can make the move on that it will be a real game changer for Turkey. Turkey must pursue the chance for participation in that project partnering powers like the UK, Italy and Sweden.
 

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
9,192
Reactions
67 31,256
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
1.png

The Singapore Ministry of Defense has confirmed that without ALIS, the brainchild of the F-35s, the aircraft can fly for a maximum of 30 days. These comments also show that a country that conflicts with US foreign policy cannot use the F-35.
 

Ryder

Experienced member
Messages
10,925
Reactions
7 18,877
Nation of residence
Australia
Nation of origin
Turkey

Vergennes

Experienced member
Moderator
Professional
France Moderator
Messages
1,528
Reactions
1 6,009
Nation of residence
France
Nation of origin
France
Guess all the European countries who opted for the F-35 will be happy about all the recent magnificent news about the F-35.
 

Oublious

Experienced member
The Netherlands Correspondent
Messages
2,219
Reactions
8 4,805
Nation of residence
Nethelands
Nation of origin
Turkey
Guess all the European countries who opted for the F-35 will be happy about all the recent magnificent news about the F-35.


Better for you, they would join your program... :D

The project is about to burst...
 

Khagan1923

Contributor
Messages
1,032
Reactions
14 4,454
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
Fast tracking TFX Block 1 (4++) for 2029
Introducing Armed Hürjet to the Inventory of the Air Force, ~60 Planes (AESA Radar, BVR Missile (Gökdogan), Air-to-Ground Capabilities, Networking with Peace Eagles and Drones, Turkish Bombs/Missile integration.)
Entering Tempest Program with Industrial participation, before the Germans are kicked from their Partnership with the French and try to enter the Tempest Program, to gain valuable know-how for future tech.

If no F-35 are coming this is the path that needs to be taken.
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,276
Reactions
147 16,478
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
US claims about f35 secrets being discovered by s400 if the two are in close proximity to each other, are actually proven by US themselves as wrong and actually ludicrous.
Export versions of S400 systems‘ sensor range is half of Russian version. As that is the case, the S400 batteries in Kaliningrad and Hmeymim must already have all the secrets they need.
Attached article is very interesting to read.
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,276
Reactions
147 16,478
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
In a way, for Turkey to get kicked out of the F35 program is a blessing in disguise. Never mind the ALIS system learning about your flight programme details etc. The main problem would have been the cost of maintaining this aircraft.
Current operating cost of a F35A is 44000 dollars per flight hour. For the life of the aircraft (8000 flight hours) this makes 352 million dollars on top of the 90 million dollar cost of the aircraft. 440 million dollars for each plane. We were planning to purchase 100 planes; That makes 44 billion dollars.
UK officials have cut down their purchase by 90 Saying that this plane would push the armed forces in to bankruptcy. Instead of 138 planes they are buying 48 F35B’s , 24 each for their two carriers. US it self is planning cuts in purchase numbers.
Recently the Greeks, having seen the cost of maintaining the plane, have backed down for their purchasing bid as well.
Technologically it probably is a very good plane. But it comes with too much excess baggage!
 

Ryder

Experienced member
Messages
10,925
Reactions
7 18,877
Nation of residence
Australia
Nation of origin
Turkey
In a way, for Turkey to get kicked out of the F35 program is a blessing in disguise. Never mind the ALIS system learning about your flight programme details etc. The main problem would have been the cost of maintaining this aircraft.
Current operating cost of a F35A is 44000 dollars per flight hour. For the life of the aircraft (8000 flight hours) this makes 352 million dollars on top of the 90 million dollar cost of the aircraft. 440 million dollars for each plane. We were planning to purchase 100 planes; That makes 44 billion dollars.
UK officials have cut down their purchase by 90 Saying that this plane would push the armed forces in to bankruptcy. Instead of 138 planes they are buying 48 F35B’s , 24 each for their two carriers. US it self is planning cuts in purchase numbers.
Recently the Greeks, having seen the cost of maintaining the plane, have backed down for their purchasing bid as well.
Technologically it probably is a very good plane. But it comes with too much excess baggage!

Explains why the Greeks opted for the Rafale.

F16, F15, Flankers, Fulcrums and the Fa18 hornets are still going to be used for decades.

Its hard to replace these proven work horses.

I just hope the TAI TFX avoids F35s mistakes by saying its the jack of all trades. Even with the TAI tfx will still need our F16s also the F4s can get their well deserved retirement.
 
Top Bottom