TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

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Hulusi Akar: We want to return to the F35 program and modernize our F16

Hulusi Akar: F-35 programına dönmek, F-16’larımızı modernize etmek istiyoruz

Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar: Sorunların çözümü için diyalog istiyoruz Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar basın mensuplarına yaptığı açıklamada, S-400

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[Xenon54]

Hulusi Akar: We want to return to the F35 program and modernize our F16

Hulusi Akar: F-35 programına dönmek, F-16’larımızı modernize etmek istiyoruz

Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar: Sorunların çözümü için diyalog istiyoruz Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar basın mensuplarına yaptığı açıklamada, S-400

www.defenceturk.net

Ok nice, so whats the plan then?

 

[Costin84]

Ok nice, so whats the plan then?

Threatening to buy a second S400 battery because that worked so well in the first place

 

[GoatsMilk]

Threatening to buy a second S400 battery because that worked so well in the first place

Unfortunately it will hit a point where if america doesn't sell planes Turkey will end up looking east. If Turkey looks east for critical weapons, naturally her support of western interests will further diminish while giving the east a great advantage.

A country like Turkey at the centre of 3 continents and within arms reach of the suez is a big big prize for countries like Russia or China if she is ever forced to leave the western axis.

Outisde of Turkey, the real loser will be europe. Can you imagine Russia having bases in Turkey, control of the blacksea, the straights and direct access to the middle east and north africa. That would be a nightmare for europe.

Its also worth pointing out that Russia already has armenia, influence in azerbaijan, direct control of syria and sides with iran, in which iran controls much of iraq. Only germany really understands this, but will never let on how serious and crucial a Turkey tied to the west is for european secutiry.

If Russia ever got Turkey on her side, the Russians would move back into the caucases region, take countries like georgia, the central asian republics of Turkic ethnicity will fall in line.

 

[Costin84]

Unfortunately it will hit a point where if america doesn't sell planes Turkey will end up looking east. If Turkey looks east for critical weapons, naturally her support of western interests will further diminish while giving the east a great advantage.

A country like Turkey at the centre of 3 continents and within arms reach of the suez is a big big prize for countries like Russia or China if she is ever forced to leave the western axis.

Outisde of Turkey, the real loser will be europe. Can you imagine Russia having bases in Turkey, control of the blacksea, the straights and direct access to the middle east and north africa. That would be a nightmare for europe.

That would be a worst nightmare for Turkey. Russians having bases in Turkey? Good luck with that...Turkey should learn that they must bring cooperation to the table instead of temper tantrums and threats of "going East ".

 

[GoatsMilk]

That would be a worst nightmare for Turkey. Russians having bases in Turkey? Good luck with that...

Not for Turkey, for europe. Then europeans will get to enjoy the red terror again and we know most europeans capitulate in absolute fear when the Russians come knocking.

We already saw the european reaction to ukraine, basically bent over and said take me.

 

[GoatsMilk]

That would be a worst nightmare for Turkey. Russians having bases in Turkey? Good luck with that...Turkey should learn that they must bring cooperation to the table instead of temper tantrums and threats of "going East ".

This is where the chinese have a point, the european is filled with arrogance and hypocrisy. Turkey only brought s400 because you guys are arming separatist communist terrorists along her border.

Keep ignoring it, because Russia annexing much of eastern europe and the balkans is very real outcome if Turkey turns east.

We all know that no nation in eastern europe or the balkans has the balls to challenge russia, we all know it.

 

[Costin84]

Not for Turkey, for europe. Then europeans will get to enjoy the red terror again and we know most europeans capitulate in absolute fear when the Russians come knocking.

We already saw the european reaction to ukraine, basically bent over and said take me.

Russia poses no military threat to the EU, even I, a total hater of Moscow, think that Europe should start dropping the sanctions and do business with the Russians again as they're a valuable asset against the real enemy.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Russia poses no military threat to the EU, even I, a total hater of Moscow, think that Europe should start dropping the sanctions and do business with the Russians again as they're a valuable asset against the real enemy.

Ask the Polish if they agree with you, meanwhile poland is bigger and stronger then most eastern euro or balkan states. Lets also add that Russia has thousands of nukes aimed at every capital in europe.

 

[Costin84]

Ask the Polish if they agree with you, meanwhile poland is bigger and stronger then most eastern euro or balkan states. Lets also add that Russia has thousands of nukes aimed at every capital in europe.

I've only stated my opinion and Russia couldn't even achieve all its objectives in Donbass, let alone invading Eastern Europe. The EU must learn to do business with Russia again, it worked for a few years, they want to work with Europe.
"Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok" is the new motto of France and Germany and...they have a point.
Anyway, let's be real, it isn't nor will it ever be Turkey who keeps Russia out of Europe.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I've only stated my opinion and Russia couldn't even achieve all its objectives in Donbass, let alone invading Eastern Europe. The EU must learn to do business with Russia again, it worked for a few years, they want to work with Europe.
"Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok" is the new motto of France and Germany and...they have a point.
Anyway, let's be real, it isn't nor will it ever be Turkey who keeps Russia out of Europe.

yeah you stated your opinion, but its wrong to claim that Russia poses no threat to Europe whatsoever. For example Russia knows EU expansionism and NATO is a threat, so both sides are working to undermine and challenge the others sovereignty.

No one said Turkey can keep Russia out of Europe nor would Turkey care too, who cares if they annex the baltic states, what i'm saying is that if Turkey ends up in alliance with Russia there is nothing Europe can do from stopping Russia go deep and hard into central europe.

But what we can say is that Turkish actions in the region are limiting and holding back Russia. Seen in Azerbaijan, Syria and Libya recently. Now Turkey is moving gradually into Ukraine while the west let her fall in fear of Russia.

Now if you want to arm communist terrorists along Turkeys borders, then you are going to run the risk that one day Turkey is longer in the western camp. We already seen how angry europe gets when just one terrorist attack happens, meanwhile you expect Turkey to be happy while a hundred thousand strong pkk army is set up against her?

 

[Huelague]

Russia poses no military threat to the EU, even I, a total hater of Moscow, think that Europe should start dropping the sanctions and do business with the Russians again as they're a valuable asset against the real enemy.

Who is it?

 

[Huelague]

I've only stated my opinion and Russia couldn't even achieve all its objectives in Donbass, let alone invading Eastern Europe. The EU must learn to do business with Russia again, it worked for a few years, they want to work with Europe.
"Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok" is the new motto of France and Germany and...they have a point.
Anyway, let's be real, it isn't nor will it ever be Turkey who keeps Russia out of Europe.

Not Turkey, but US.

 

[Xenon54]

Threatening to buy a second S400 battery because that worked so well in the first place

First time? Turks didnt buy S-400 to get F-35 the first time, i know what you are referring to.

Russia poses no military threat to the EU, even I, a total hater of Moscow, think that Europe should start dropping the sanctions and do business with the Russians again as they're a valuable asset against the real enemy.

Real enemy?

Who is it?

I have an idea but lets see what he means.

 

[Costin84]

Who is it?

China...

 

[Xenon54]

China...

Europe doesnt see China as enemy though, Russia is definitely the bigger threat to European mainland, no doubt about that.
There is millenia of history do you think its all gone and forgotten? We just have a wealthy calm phase but that can change in the next century you never know.

 

[Costin84]

Europe doesnt see China as enemy though, Russia is definitely the bigger threat to European mainland, no doubt about that.
There is millenia of history do you think its all gone and forgotten? We just have a wealthy calm phase but that can change in the next century you never know.

Do you really think the Russians would invade Europe? For what? With sanctions we're pushing them towards the CCCP altough they'd rather do most of their trade and investments with the EU. China is a threat for Russia to, don't let their "alliance " fool you.
Ofcourse, Russia wants "respect " and,unfortunately, that might mean abandoning Ukraine, Central Asia and the Caucasus ( hopefully not Moldova ) to them....it sounds cynical, but realpolitik is that way.
The EU tries to work with China but in the end Chinese hegemonical ambitions will bring an inevitable show down.

 

[Melkor]

Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok - such make-ity-up-ity homogeneity... nothing but a ⛪️ club. Safety and bullying in numbers.

 

[Xenon54]

Do you really think the Russians would invade Europe? For what? With sanctions we're pushing them towards the CCCP altough they'd rather do most of their trade and investments with the EU. China is a threat for Russia to, don't let their "alliance " fool you.
Ofcourse, Russia wants "respect " and,unfortunately, that might mean abandoning Ukraine, Central Asia and the Caucasus ( hopefully not Moldova ) to them....it sounds cynical, but realpolitik is that way.
The EU tries to work with China but in the end Chinese hegemonical ambitions will bring an inevitable show down.

China and Europe are too far apart to have a real ''show down'' if anything then it will happen between Europe and Russia at some point again but not right now because Russia is weak and Europe more or less united.
China on the other hand has always been nothing more than a trading partner, Europes well being is for China more important than its alliance with Russia since Europe is the biggest customer of its products and services.

 

[Costin84]

Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok - such make-ity-up-ity homogeneity... nothing but a ⛪️ club. Safety and bullying in numbers.

I choose to see differently.....trade and peace