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It took the Americans about 70/80 cruise missiles to destroy 2 buildings in Syria. I think people get a little hyped on this cruise missile business.
To be fair Russia likely has tens of thousands of missiles and targets already planned out.

It would be naive to think that cruise and ballistic missiles aren't a large part of their planning structure.
 

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TB2 doesn't need infrastructure or airfields. It can be controlled from mobile truck-based stations. Its range cover can be increased via mobile or static ground sea or air-based relay hardware (TB2/S has Satcom which is another thing). It can take off from basic paved or asphalt roads. You can detach the wings and load TB2 to a truck and move it anywhere you want. Attach the wings again, put some gasoline into the gas tank, attach the MAM-L bombs and you are good to go. It will take 30 mins at most. You need real-time surveillance to effectively counter TB2s. So if you are afraid of thousands of cruise missiles and Russia taking out your airforce and infrastructure in the first days of the war this is even more reason to invest in TB2.
 

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TB2 doesn't need infrastructure or airfields. It can be controlled from mobile truck-based stations. Its range cover can be increased via mobile or static ground sea or air-based relay hardware (TB2/S has Satcom which is another thing). It can take off from basic paved or asphalt roads. You can detach the wings and load TB2 to a truck and move it anywhere you want. Attach the wings again, put some gasoline into the gas tank, attach the MAM-L bombs and you are good to go. It will take 30 mins at most. You need real-time surveillance to effectively counter TB2s. So if you are afraid of thousands of cruise missiles and Russia taking out your airforce and infrastructure in the first days of the war this is even more reason to invest in TB2.


I don't think any real air components will survive the first few weeks of a European conflict at all. Russians have obviously planned ahead but so have Europeans and they will take out Russian aircraft as well.

Let's say TB2 do survive, how useful would they be against an integrated Russian air defence component that has probably planned ahead for the threat?
 
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Drones like TB2 though vulnerable are usefull any time, they are good scout's with high resolution day and night camera's they can take out supply logistics, they can take out tanks and give CAS (Close Air support) to ground troops.

It is always better to have them, than not to have them
 

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This is the biggest bullshit that I have ever heard in this forum. This is so disrespectful to the engineers and mechanics of the TAI. BTW TAI has not just experimented with arming ANKA, as you can see from the screenshot I posted ANKA-B was accepted into inventory and conducted missions before the TB2.

A lie is a lie there is no way to turn or twist this. A company of Baykars caliber shouldn't lie. You won't see those kinds of claims from experienced defense industry companies.
Baykar also lied about the national contribution ratio for many years since they introduced TB2s. I covered that one too. It is like half of the TB2 subsystems are nationalized since TB2s first introduction. For 7 years they told us %93 national lie. It was not %93 national period. Today it is. Only after embargoes. In this sector, the last thing we need is lies and propaganda.
What parts are still imported that are vital if any? Obviously Turkey can't produce everything, nobody can except very few countries.
 
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As far as i know engine, FGPAs, various Garmin and Viasat gadgets. There might be more. It is mostly nationalized as of today.
 

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To be fair Russia likely has tens of thousands of missiles and targets already planned out.

It would be naive to think that cruise and ballistic missiles aren't a large part of their planning structure.

I didnt say that, its just its foolish to think that a cruise and ballistic missile attack would cripple Poland. It also has to be taken into account that russian hardware isnt as advertised. In practice its been left lacking.

We all know about their air defence systems being wiped out by cheap drones. But also;

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/armenian-pm-says-russian-missiles-don-t-work-44516
 

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I didnt say that, its just its foolish to think that a cruise and ballistic missile attack would cripple Poland. It also has to be taken into account that russian hardware isnt as advertised. In practice its been left lacking.

We all know about their air defence systems being wiped out by cheap drones. But also;

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/armenian-pm-says-russian-missiles-don-t-work-44516
Exported monkey models are not Russian standards. I would think that Russian systems are probably 5-10x more effective depending on the type of system.
 

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Exported monkey models are not Russian standards. I would think that Russian systems are probably 5-10x more effective depending on the type of system.

Monkey model is just russian propaganda to hide how poorly their equipment performs.

The wagner pantsirs utilised in Libya performed just as badly as any other pantsir systems.
 

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Monkey model is just russian propaganda to hide how poorly their equipment performs.

The wagner pantsirs utilised in Libya performed just as badly as any other pantsir systems.
Wagner Pantsirs were likely export models as well, remember Wagner group needs plausible deniability to distance themselves from the Russian government directly and wouldn't risk sending their front line systems to active warzones without direct Russian military involvement in country and risk losing them to Western forces.
 

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Wagner Pantsirs were likely export models as well, remember Wagner group needs plausible deniability to distance themselves from the Russian government directly and wouldn't risk sending their front line systems to active warzones without direct Russian military involvement in country and risk losing them to Western forces.

At best the export model may be slightly degraded. I don't make this connection that export model = poor while actual version = super special. At best a 10 to 20% degrade, but then again there is nothing special about cruise missiles or short to mid range air defence systems. Its not super special technology that if the enemy knows about it, then its game over.

The reality is that the Russians advertise their equipment as the best in the world when in reality its closer to made in china quality.
 

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Wagner Pantsirs were likely export models as well, remember Wagner group needs plausible deniability to distance themselves from the Russian government directly and wouldn't risk sending their front line systems to active warzones without direct Russian military involvement in country and risk losing them to Western forces.
Wagner has brought S-300, Jets, MRAPs but they bring export variants of Pantsir just to conceal their connection? Some of the destroyed systems were known to be operated by Wagner and was known to be Russian variant.
Really i am just curious how far do you plan to go with your claims just to belittle Turkish UAVs?
Claiming 10x-20x difference between export and Russian variant, do you intend to praise Russian systems, cover their shame on losses or belittle turkish UAVs telling "those systems taken out by those UAVs were just toys".

TB2 will be useful against Russian proxies but in any real war I suspect Russia will hit 90% of Polish assets in the first day with cruise and ballistic missile strikes.

And you should as well know, military doctrines are not built upon a single equipment or platform.

Especially when it comes to Turkish UAVs being purchased by another country, the discussion suddenly becomes "Turkish UAV vs entire Russian Army", which doesn't make sense, this is especially such for Turkish UAVs to waste time to prove a point how ineffective they would be against Russian Army. I bet,if Poland was acquiring Reapers, the discussion would never emerge especially by those so called experts who talks in social media.

As far as i know engine, FGPAs, various Garmin and Viasat gadgets. There might be more. It is mostly nationalized as of today.

This is valid for Bayraktar TB2, Anka uses stronger and military purpose equipments and avoids COTS.

What parts are still imported that are vital if any? Obviously Turkey can't produce everything, nobody can except very few countries.

Except few countries? Nobody makes entire of the platforms on their own, it is not cost effective.
 
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Wagner has brought S-300, Jets, MRAPs but they bring export variants of Pantsir just to conceal their connection? Some of the destroyed systems were known to be operated by Wagner and was known to be Russian variant.
Really i am just curious how far do you plan to go with your claims just to belittle Turkish UAVs?

Also no one sees wagner as separate from Russia. The words spoken by Russian officials is just for political and legal consumption no more.
 

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Wagner has brought S-300, Jets, MRAPs but they bring export variants of Pantsir just to conceal their connection? Some of the destroyed systems were known to be operated by Wagner and was known to be Russian variant.
Really i am just curious how far do you plan to go with your claims just to belittle Turkish UAVs?
We have no way to prove if they are export or Russian army models right? All assumptions on your and my part. Agree to disagree.

Underestimating your enemy is a fatal mistake, and you are underestimating the Russians i guarantee you that. Russians are quick to adapt, and any lessons they learned in Libya and other conflicts will be implemented in the future.

Let's not derail the thread anymore though.
 

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We have no way to prove if they are export or Russian army models right? All assumptions on your and my part. Agree to disagree.
Well, believe or not but if you truly think Ex-Russian SOF, or elite soldiers who has left Russian Army "on paper" would rely on export variant it is really up to you.
 

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We have no way to prove if they are export or Russian army models right? All assumptions on your and my part. Agree to disagree.

Underestimating your enemy is a fatal mistake, and you are underestimating the Russians i guarantee you that. Russians are quick to adapt, and any lessons they learned in Libya and other conflicts will be implemented in the future.

Let's not derail the thread anymore though.

Again you are making presumptions, now you are saying "don't underestimate your enemy" no one said that, just like no one said that cruise missiles or ballistic missiles are not important.

No one in Turkey underestimates Russian military might, everyone knows Russia is a bigger military power then Turkey and in many fields they are ahead of Turkey.

I think your fetish of Russia and contempt of Turks as witnessed in waff is making you get all defensive. Its ok for Turkey to be better at certain things then Russia is and one those is drone technology and drone doctrine, its been proven in 3 theatres already.
 

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It probably shows the active flying TB2s in the air but why is the date 2017?


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