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[Combat-Master]

This means that the wingspan of the mius has to be less than 11.2m. Thanks for the source.

Enough for STOBAR operations.

HAL TEJAS has an 8 meter wingspan.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Guys, what would be the theory behind having cavitation at the rear of MIUS where the engine is? I'm thinking it'll hide the IR signature of the engine to a certain extent, but does it create any other positive benefit?

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Maybe the modeling guy was too lazy to cover it. It's just a conceptual design low quality render. I don't think we should take everything seriously and do some analyses based on that.

 

[Combat-Master]

Maybe the modeling guy was too lazy to cover it. It's just a conceptual design low quality render. I don't think we should take everything seriously and do some analyses based on that.

Modelling guy going to be lazy to cover one of the biggest reveals in the history of Turkish aviation, especially during Bayram? No, don't think that is the case at all.

 

[Test7]

This means that the wingspan of the mius has to be less than 11.2m. Thanks for the source.

It may also be considered to use the starboard elevator for MIUS.

The width of the V-22 is 25.7 meters(including the propellers). We can expect MIUS to have the option up to this width. Or I'll brainstorm. Could it be possible that 1/3 of the left wing of the MIUS was hanging out of the ship? In theory, as long as the landing gear is on the runway, it's fine(?)

 

[Philips]

Just a theory, don't pin me on this:

The LO design necessitates a twin vertically canted stabilizers at the rear (for better radar wave scattering than one single stabilizer) and internal weapons bay. These design choices makes the airframe wide and at the same time it only needs a relatively small engine. Hence the left over room around the nozzle.

 

[Philips]

If the MIUS is equipped with the AI-222-25F/AI-322F producing 9300lb of thrust, it will have a similar top speed as the F-5E of Mach 1,63. The wingspan is the same, the length less and drag-wise, the missing cockpit of the F-5E is compensated by internal weapons bay making the airframe wider. Weight wise I expect he MIUS to weigh less, but by how much I don't dare to say. With just 700lb less max thrust than the F-5E, The MIUS might reach mach 1,6.

 

[Stuka]

I noticed something.

Baykar AKINCI Serial Production in the latest video from the Factory.
As Selcuk Bayraktar walks across the Factory he slanders by 3 Serial Production AKINCIs
But one of them has diffrent Engine.

The Yellow parts imply it isn't the MOTOR SICH AI-450T.

It is the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A

This Engine is also used by TAI for the Hürkus Turboprop Plane.
Specifically the 1600 shp PT6A-68T Pratt & Whitney Canada Turboprop Motor
> Its likely a different variant because 3200 shp would be a lot.

I guess I found out which one is it.

The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A- 135 (750HP)

- > That means the 450HP*2 variant on Baykars Website is from MOTOR SICH and the 750HP*2 from P&W .
- > So we can expect a Serial Produced AKINCI with 1500HP soon.

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I found data from EASA from Europe. The Engine is quite sparse with info on the Web.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-TCDS-E.094_(IM)_Pratt_and_Whitney_Canada_PT6A--100_series_engines-02-17022014.pdf

Family of turboprop engines AI-450C /CD /CP /CM /Т | Ivchenko-Progress SE

ivchenko-progress.com

That's all I could find.

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The next to that AKINCI is one with the MOTOR SICH AI-450Ts

MOTOR SICH AI-450

 

[Stuka]

After searching the Web for the Engine I found out something that might help with the Performance Data.

I found a Plane that went into Admission Tests.
"German Aerospace Center (DLR) recently carried out the tests in Oberpfaffenhofen on behalf of Dornier Seawings GmbH, a Sino-German joint venture."

The Test is from 05/19/2021 the Name of the Plane is "Dornier Seastar"

It uses the Identical Engines: PT6A-135.
But all the other Data seems very similiar to AKINCI.

Data Dornier Seastar​

Drive: 2 x Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-135A Takeoff
power: 480 kW each (650HP)
Travel power: 370 kW each (500HP)
Length: 12.7 m
Height: 4.73 m
Wingspan: 17.74 m
Wing area : 30.6 m2
Max. Takeoff weight: 5100 kg
Payload: 1300 kg
Max. Range: 1665 km
Max. Cruising speed: 180 knots (333km/h)
Max. Flight altitude: 15000 ft


Compared to BAYKAR AKINCI

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That Could give us an Idea.

 

[TheInsider]

This means that the wingspan of the mius has to be less than 11.2m. Thanks for the source.

TCG Anadolu LHD: A Naval Platform that will Multiply the Power Projection Capability of Turkish Navy!

By İbrahim SÜNNETÇİ - SSB Prof. İsmail DEMİR: “ It will be delivered in the last quarter of 2020”

www.defenceturkey.com

As the size and durability of the aircraft elevators located fore and aft of the flight deck are only suitable for the F-35B, large-scale aircraft such as the CH-47F Chinook or the V-22 Osprey are planned to be carried with the stern elevator. Aircraft currently operating in NATO such as the CH-53, CH-47, S-70B, AW149, and the V-22 Osprey, will be able to take-off and land on the TCG Anadolu which is designed and built to participate in NATO missions. Additionally, with the infrastructure to be installed on the ship, repair and maintenance services can also be provided for these aircraft up to a certain level.

 

[LegionnairE]

If you legit have these doubts about Baykar's capabilities after everything they've accomplished so far, then it is fruitless to try to convince the likes of you otherwise.

You're so ignorant about the subject you confuse a design choice with capability..

It's up to Baykar designers to have it have the canard generate lift or have it there purely as a control surface.

We don't know which.

 

[Combat-Master]

Our favourite Greek Defence Analyst, (only in Turkish translated unfortunately) on the subject of MIUS

 

[LegionnairE]

Our favourite Greek Defence Analyst, (only in Turkish translated unfortunately) on the subject of MIUS

I think he has more fans in Turkey than in Greece.

When I asked a Greek friend of mine, he did not know him.

Which is strange because his analyses are pretty good if I may say so myself

I like him

He could tell people sweet lies like "it's just a 3d drawing Turks can't make this" He speaks the truth as he sees it. ...most of the time

 

[Oublious]

Our favourite Greek Defence Analyst, (only in Turkish translated unfortunately) on the subject of MIUS

he is still alive....


good to now....

 

[Cypro]

I noticed something.

Baykar AKINCI Serial Production in the latest video from the Factory.
As Selcuk Bayraktar walks across the Factory he slanders by 3 Serial Production AKINCIs
But one of them has diffrent Engine.

View attachment 26326

The Yellow parts imply it isn't the MOTOR SICH AI-450T.

It is the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A

View attachment 26327

This Engine is also used by TAI for the Hürkus Turboprop Plane.
Specifically the 1600 shp PT6A-68T Pratt & Whitney Canada Turboprop Motor
> Its likely a different variant because 3200 shp would be a lot.

I guess I found out which one is it.

The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A- 135 (750HP)

View attachment 26335

- > That means the 450HP*2 variant on Baykars Website is from MOTOR SICH and the 750HP*2 from P&W .
- > So we can expect a Serial Produced AKINCI with 1500HP soon.

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I found data from EASA from Europe. The Engine is quite sparse with info on the Web.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-TCDS-E.094_(IM)_Pratt_and_Whitney_Canada_PT6A--100_series_engines-02-17022014.pdf

View attachment 26336

Family of turboprop engines AI-450C /CD /CP /CM /Т | Ivchenko-Progress SE

ivchenko-progress.com

That's all I could find.

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The next to that AKINCI is one with the MOTOR SICH AI-450Ts

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MOTOR SICH AI-450


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Wow, sharp eyes.. you might be right mate, if it is true this is big news.. Ukrainian engines are not good. It is definitely not AI-450. But Akıncı would also gonna use MS-500V-S (950 hp). May be they are not satisfied with Ukrainian ones and testing with P&W PT6A (which is one of the best)

 

[TheInsider]

BTW <13m wingspan is a lot for a 5-6 tonne aircraft. It is more than enough.


MİUS will have "cooperative target detection" capability. This will be a big advantage against other 5th gen aircraft.
Smart squadron ability. A MiUS squadron can work with each other and with friendly aircraft to form a distributed sensor network.
~5 tonnes of MTOW.
Subsonic at first supersonic later the aim is Mach 1.2-1.4 range. The body will be designed for supersonic speeds from the start.
Extreme agility it will easily do over 9G turns.
It will be able to take off from LHD Anadolu without a catapult and it can land with a hook and arrestor.
It will have different variants like Akıncı probably with different engine selections.
It will be extremely stealthy both in RF and IR spectrum.
Internal weapons bay. It will carry 4 BVR and 2 WVR missiles internally and ground weapons when no AA missiles are needed but stealth is needed.
Aselsan AESA, all Turkish air-to-air air-to-ground weapons. A set of different pods.
EO Targeting system.
Satcom and classic datalink
~1.5-tonne payload.
5-6 hour endurance.
The aim is to keep flyaway costs under 30 million $
The first flight is in 2023. Initial delivery will be made and initial operational capability will be gained in 2025.

Now let's make some basic calculations regarding the operability of MİUS from the LHD Anadolu.
Lenght of LHD Anadolu is 232 m with a runway length of 202m. Let's round it down to 200m
Let's assume that the MTOW of Mius is 5000kg
Lets assume take-off speed is 200 km/h--->56m/s (for reference F-16 take-off speed is around 250km/h)

Vs^2=Vo^2+2ax
56^2=0+2a*200
a=7,84m/s^2

F=m.a
F=5000*7,84
F=39200 N

Let's convert N to lbf 39200N=8812 lbf

So MIUS needs an engine with at least 8812lbf thrust to take-off from Anadolu LHDs 202 m runway. AL-322F can provide 4200 kgf/ 9260lbf with an afterburner so the engine of the MİUS needs to be at least similar to that. At this point engines like AL-25TL is not an option for the MİUS.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I noticed something.

Baykar AKINCI Serial Production in the latest video from the Factory.
As Selcuk Bayraktar walks across the Factory he slanders by 3 Serial Production AKINCIs
But one of them has diffrent Engine.

View attachment 26326

The Yellow parts imply it isn't the MOTOR SICH AI-450T.

It is the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A

View attachment 26327

This Engine is also used by TAI for the Hürkus Turboprop Plane.
Specifically the 1600 shp PT6A-68T Pratt & Whitney Canada Turboprop Motor
> Its likely a different variant because 3200 shp would be a lot.

I guess I found out which one is it.

The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A- 135 (750HP)

View attachment 26335

- > That means the 450HP*2 variant on Baykars Website is from MOTOR SICH and the 750HP*2 from P&W .
- > So we can expect a Serial Produced AKINCI with 1500HP soon.

---

I found data from EASA from Europe. The Engine is quite sparse with info on the Web.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-TCDS-E.094_(IM)_Pratt_and_Whitney_Canada_PT6A--100_series_engines-02-17022014.pdf

View attachment 26336

Family of turboprop engines AI-450C /CD /CP /CM /Т | Ivchenko-Progress SE

ivchenko-progress.com

That's all I could find.

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The next to that AKINCI is one with the MOTOR SICH AI-450Ts

View attachment 26330

MOTOR SICH AI-450


View attachment 26333

Good work brother, and congrats on your TT badge! Well deserved!

 

[Hexciter]

Ukap informs that its UGV can be controlled from 5000 meters away with its new sensors.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417544726090330115

 

[Cabatli_TR]

BTW <13m wingspan is a lot for a 5-6 tonne aircraft. It is more than enough.


MİUS will have "cooperative target detection" capability. This will be a big advantage against other 5th gen aircraft.
Smart squadron ability. A MiUS squadron can work with each other and with friendly aircraft to form a distributed sensor network.
~5 tonnes of MTOW.
Subsonic at first supersonic later the aim is Mach 1.2-1.4 range. The body will be designed for supersonic speeds from the start.
Extreme agility it will easily do over 9G turns.
It will be able to take off from LHD Anadolu without a catapult and it can land with a hook and arrestor.
It will have different variants like Akıncı probably with different engine selections.
It will be extremely stealthy both in RF and IR spectrum.
Internal weapons bay. It will carry 4 BVR and 2 WVR missiles internally and ground weapons when no AA missiles are needed but stealth is needed.
Aselsan AESA, all Turkish air-to-air air-to-ground weapons. A set of different pods.
EO Targeting system.
Satcom and classic datalink
~1.5-tonne payload.
5-6 hour endurance.
The aim is to keep flyaway costs under 30 million $
The first flight is in 2023. Initial delivery will be made and initial operational capability will be gained in 2025.

Now let's make some basic calculations regarding the operability of MİUS from the LHD Anadolu.
Lenght of LHD Anadolu is 232 m with a runway length of 202m. Let's round it down to 200m
Let's assume that the MTOW of Mius is 5000kg
Lets assume take-off speed is 200 km/h--->56m/s (for reference F-16 take-off speed is around 250km/h)

Vs^2=Vo^2+2ax
56^2=0+2a*200
a=7,84m/s^2

F=m.a
F=5000*7,84
F=39200 N

Let's convert N to lbf 39200N=8812 lbf

So MIUS needs an engine with at least 8812lbf thrust to take-off from Anadolu LHDs 202 m runway. AL-322F can provide 4200 kgf/ 9260lbf with an afterburner so the engine of the MİUS needs to be at least similar to that. At this point engines like AL-25TL is not an option for the MİUS.

Good work.
When Baykar explains the real data, we will be able to make much more detailed analysis but MIUS with ~9000lb thrust will be a real game changer. Sharp maneuvrability, AI flight autonomy computers, Squadron capability and stealth feature will make this aircraft a force multiplier

 

[Yasar_TR]

This means that the wingspan of the mius has to be less than 11.2m. Thanks for the source.

We mustn’t forget that the wings will be folded!

 

[Hexciter]

We mustn’t forget that the wings will be folded!

There’s no sign of folding yet.