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[TheInsider]

Studies to integrate A-A weapons into Turkish UAVs have started. Soon we will have UAVs capable of firing A-A missiles.

 

[Turko]

How could MİUS use long range A-A ? İt needs a powerful radar.its İncredible new consept.

 

[TheInsider]

MIUS and Akıncı will have an AESA radar. IIR missiles can be used with FLIR, optionally UAVs can be used to only carry and fire missiles another radar can illuminate the target.

 

[LegionnairE]

MIUS and Akıncı will have an AESA radar. IIR missiles can be used with FLIR, optionally UAVs can be used to only carry and fire missiles another radar can illuminate the target.

Yeah the bigger issue is that because of their low performance and slow speeds, their missiles are going to have much shorter effective ranges.

Especially Akıncı... will be very easy prey for F16s and other 4th generation fighter jets.

I think their role will be to delay the enemy, while F16s do the work

MIUS is interesting. It clearly won't be as fast as F-16 and it won't fly as high or be as agile. But due to stealth advantage it could be able to take down a 4th generation fighter from ccertain distances.

 

[Anastasius]

Baykar has been working on it for a long time. After the introduction of TB2 Baykar started the first preliminary studies so it is not like it came out of thin air.

But the thing is that Anadolu was only recently repurposed as a drone carrier and it was originally meant for something considerably more powerful.

 

[TheInsider]

Yeah the bigger issue is that because of their low performance and slow speeds, their missiles are going to have much shorter effective ranges.

Especially Akıncı... will be very easy prey for F16s and other 4th generation fighter jets.

I think their role will be to delay the enemy, while F16s do the work

MIUS is interesting. It clearly won't be as fast as F-16 and it won't fly as high or be as agile. But due to stealth advantage it could be able to take down a 4th generation fighter from ccertain distances.

Akıncı won't be a frontline UAV but it will be good enough to handle 3rd world airforces and aircraft other than fighters with AESA radar, jamming, and A-A missile combo. MiUS is fast enough that firing an A-A missile from MIUS or an F-16 won't change effective range much. On the other hand, it will be extremely stealthy even the most advanced radars can't get an echo until it is too late. It is small moreover it is stealth. Cooperative jamming and cooperative detection will be a game-changer against 5th gen aircraft.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Yeah the bigger issue is that because of their low performance and slow speeds, their missiles are going to have much shorter effective ranges.

Especially Akıncı... will be very easy prey for F16s and other 4th generation fighter jets.

I think their role will be to delay the enemy, while F16s do the work

MIUS is interesting. It clearly won't be as fast as F-16 and it won't fly as high or be as agile. But due to stealth advantage it could be able to take down a 4th generation fighter from ccertain distances.

If MIUS is supported in real time by sensor networks and equipped with powerful sensors and an F-414 class engine, it can bring down aircraft of any generation.

Similarly, if Akıncı is supported in real-time by sensor networks and equipped with powerful sensors and long-range hypersonic missiles, it will be a very significant threat to enemy air power.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah the bigger issue is that because of their low performance and slow speeds, their missiles are going to have much shorter effective ranges.

Especially Akıncı... will be very easy prey for F16s and other 4th generation fighter jets.

I think their role will be to delay the enemy, while F16s do the work

MIUS is interesting. It clearly won't be as fast as F-16 and it won't fly as high or be as agile. But due to stealth advantage it could be able to take down a 4th generation fighter from ccertain distances.

900km/hr is not too slow a speed. OK, it is not supersonic. But remember that the next version of MIUS will be supersonic.
Also in terms of agility I think it will outperform F16 Since there will be no G force constraints. In fact Mr Bayraktar specifically mentioned that it will fight against planes that are bigger and more powerful than MIUS.
If a powerful enough engine is fitted it will be as fast and fly as high as an F16 as long as the airframe can carry and withstand these speeds.

 

[Bogeyman]

Yeah the bigger issue is that because of their low performance and slow speeds, their missiles are going to have much shorter effective ranges.

Especially Akıncı... will be very easy prey for F16s and other 4th generation fighter jets.

I think their role will be to delay the enemy, while F16s do the work

MIUS is interesting. It clearly won't be as fast as F-16 and it won't fly as high or be as agile. But due to stealth advantage it could be able to take down a 4th generation fighter from ccertain distances.

I don't agree with Mius. Because the Akıncı will not use turbophan engine. MİUS is expected to go to the supersonic speeds with the Turbofan motor. Even F-35 flies at 1.2 Mach cruise speeds. Don't bury MİUS so much.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I don't agree with Mius. Because the Akıncı will not use turbophan engine. MİUS is expected to go to the supersonic speeds with the Turbofan motor. Even F-35 flies at 1.2 Mach cruise speeds. Don't bury MİUS so much.

Most modern jet fighters will cruise around 980km/hour (0.8 Mach) and at an altitude of around 40000ft. In fact that is the speed and altitude at which they are most efficient with respect to engine performance and fuel consumption. Unless there is an urgent battle, a plane has to join, it will fly at it’s most efficient altitude and speed.
A stealthy MIUS armed with Aesa radar will sneak in to the vicinity of such a plane and fire it’s a2a missiles while the enemy plane is still oblivious to the whereabouts of MIUS.

 

[Zafer]

Folding Wing is an always good idea for naval aircrafts. I’m talking for MİUS

Folding wings probably introduce some weak points in the structures. For a plane as small as the MIUS I would do away with wing folding. Wing folding is primarily for stowage so finding a good way to stow the plane with full span wings should be the way to go.

 

[Zafer]

Modelling guy going to be lazy to cover one of the biggest reveals in the history of Turkish aviation, especially during Bayram? No, don't think that is the case at all.

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The wide aft body with cavitation inside seems to serve the purpose of hiding heat signature primarily. On the other hand it does help with generating lift during take off and landing with a wider surface to pressurize the air underneath. Also it would be hard to bring the wide shape of the fuselage to a sharp narrow shape aerodynamicly as air does not like sudden turns.

 

[Ryder]

But the thing is that Anadolu was only recently repurposed as a drone carrier and it was originally meant for something considerably more powerful.

Anadolu was planned to have F35B's also rumours of Harriers being possible if they did not get the F35.

 

[Era_shield]

900km/hr is not too slow a speed. OK, it is not supersonic. But remember that the next version of MIUS will be supersonic.
Also in terms of agility I think it will outperform F16 Since there will be no G force constraints. In fact Mr Bayraktar specifically mentioned that it will fight against planes that are bigger and more powerful than MIUS.
If a powerful enough engine is fitted it will be as fast and fly as high as an F16 as long as the airframe can carry and withstand these speeds.

If it ends up with a powerful enough engine it might even be able to supercruise, which would be funny because the F-35 can't.

The biggest benefit of the F-35 is the distributed sensor/electronics system, which is very advanced and powerful. It would be amazing if the MIUS could get us a similar capability in a stealth platform - without the huge expense of the F-35.

 

[LegionnairE]

900km/hr is not too slow a speed. OK, it is not supersonic. But remember that the next version of MIUS will be supersonic.
Also in terms of agility I think it will outperform F16 Since there will be no G force constraints. In fact Mr Bayraktar specifically mentioned that it will fight against planes that are bigger and more powerful than MIUS.
If a powerful enough engine is fitted it will be as fast and fly as high as an F16 as long as the airframe can carry and withstand these speeds.

I'm sure Akıncı Aksungur and MIUS will all do great things considering how much was done with TB2 which has the payload capacity of a cessna and flies about as fast lol

But we should also be aware of the limitations of unmanned aircraft.

Americans made the best drones in the world and we all remember what happened.

Doesn't matter how stealth it is, if it's operating alone and receiving signals from far away.
It will be detected.

Unmanned systems, working closely with manned platforms is the future.

Like Loyal Wingman.

In short, we have to develop hardware and software for F-16 and future MMU pilots to control UAVs in their vicinity.

Then we need to develop UAVs that can keep up with fighters.
F16 can reach mach 2 we need an unmanned system that can reach the same speed. And RANGE!

 

[Zafer]

MIUS : Is it possible to land on TCG Anadolu without help from a barrier recovery system?

If MIUS can be fitted with thrust vectoring vanes on top and bottom sides of the engine thrust can be vectored down and up to help landing and take off. During landing MIUS can approach with the exhaust vectored down thus making the touch down weight lighter. Upon touch down the exhaust gets vectored up pressing the plane down for braking effect. With the help of the ski-jump the plane can be brought to a full stop before reaching the end of the runway. The added effect of each braking measure can be evaluated to end up with the right amount for the purpose. Same applies to Hürjet. Vectoring vanes will also help with inflight maneuvering. Just make them low profile enough to avoid
excessive RCS.

 

[LegionnairE]

MIUS : Is it possible to land on TCG Anadolu without help from a barrier recovery system?

If MIUS can be fitted with thrust vectoring vanes on top and bottom sides of the engine thrust can be vectored down and up to help landing and take off. During landing MIUS can approach with the exhaust vectored down thus making the touch down weight lighter. Upon touch down the exhaust gets vectored up pressing the plane down for braking effect. With the help of the ski-jump the plane can be brought to a full stop before reaching the end of the runway. The added effect of each braking measure can be evaluated to end up with the right amount for the purpose. Same applies to Hürjet. Vectoring vanes w,ll also help with inflight maneuvering. Just make the low profile enough to avoid
excessive RCS.

Yes that's what we said. A STOVL version has to be developed.

We beat this dead horse long enough.

 

[Zafer]

Yes that's what we said. A STOVL version has to be developed.

We beat this dead horse long enough.

I am not talking about a VTOL, I am talking about a partial VTOL that can not land straight down, it can be considered an ESTOL (E for extremely). An F35 type VTOL is way more expensive to make. My suggestion is simple two vanes on the top and bottom of the engine as an attachment. Similar to F22 nozzles but simpler. Japanese had such an experimental plane.

Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin

 

[Nutuk]

Each system has it's own plus and minus.

VTOL does not take a large space to take off and land but her payload is rather limited, sending a gun without ammo is also useless.

So a good trade off solution has to be found, and if possible I think STOL type of drones like Baykar is proposing is the way. Have some faith in a company that has already delivered some amazing drones

 

[Zafer]

Each system has it's own plus and minus.

VTOL does not take a large space to take off and land but her payload is rather limited, sending a gun without ammo is also useless.

So a good trade off solution has to be found, and if possible I think STOL type of drones like Baykar is proposing is the way. Have some faith in a company that has already delivered some amazing drones

It's is not that Baykar doesn't have a good plan but you now the resistance from the advocates of that "oh so precious we don't want it to be modified TCG Anadolu" conservatives.